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Posted to dev@twill.apache.org by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> on 2016/05/12 22:41:20 UTC

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Apache Twill incubating

Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big Data
Con about Apache Twill  =P

I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board.

I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If people
agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for
graduation.
Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE.

- Henry

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:

> Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a
> set of steps that need to be followed.
>
> Patrick
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last week.
> >
> > Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.
> >
> > If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <sr...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything
> before
> >> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sree
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks for the insights, Tom.
> >> >
> >> > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in next
> >> > couple days.
> >> >
> >> > - Henry
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > Hi Tom,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind went
> to
> >> > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Super Mea culpa from my side.
> >> > >
> >> > > No worries!
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P
> >> > >
> >> > > I thought you would do :)
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation, which
> is
> >> > me.
> >> > > > And it is reflected in the reports.
> >> > >
> >> > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
> >> > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to graduate.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Tom
> >> > >
> >> > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - Henry
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <to...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Hi Henry,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of
> incubator
> >> > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added during
> >> > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Cheers,
> >> > > >> Tom
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >> > HI Tom,
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit
> >> missing
> >> > > on
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > stickiness to
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think
> >> > graduation
> >> > > is
> >> > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow.
> >> > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming to
> >> > > >> contribute.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > - Henry
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <
> tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has
> demonstrated
> >> it
> >> > > is
> >> > > >> >> ready to graduate.
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new
> >> > committers
> >> > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this
> >> because
> >> > of
> >> > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates?
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> Tom
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> >> > > >> >>
> >> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >> > > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> > Thanks Terence.
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation
> proposal.
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed
> >> this
> >> > > >> >> > already),
> >> > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we
> >> need
> >> > > your
> >> > > >> >> > opinions.
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> > - Henry
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <
> chtyim@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry,
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation.
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently
> have
> >> 60
> >> > > >> >> >> subscribers,
> >> > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15).
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> Terence
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
> >> > > >> >> >> <he...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
> >> > > >> >> >>
> >> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick,
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather
> the
> >> > > >> >> >> > information.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@
> >> > list
> >> > > >> >> >> > contains
> >> > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails.
> >> > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror
> and
> >> > JIRA
> >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> >> > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always been
> made
> >> > to
> >> > > >> >> >> > public
> >> > > >> >> >> > for
> >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers
> about
> >> > how
> >> > > >> many
> >> > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2]
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member
> >> but
> >> > > it is
> >> > > >> >> >> > not
> >> > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying.
> >> > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and
> add
> >> > > >> >> >> > information
> >> > > >> >> >> > to
> >> > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5].
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any
> >> advice
> >> > > >> other
> >> > > >> >> >> > than
> >> > > >> >> >> > validate the report.
> >> > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote
> for.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for
> Twill to
> >> > be
> >> > > in
> >> > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore.
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > - Henry
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > [1]
> >> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
> >> > > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
> >> > > >> >> >> > [3]
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
> >> > > >> >> >> > [4]
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
> >> > > >> >> >> > [5]
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
> >> > phunt@apache.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly
> looking at
> >> > the
> >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think
> >> > you're
> >> > > in
> >> > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but
> >> that
> >> > > might
> >> > > >> >> >> > > just
> >> > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it
> an
> >> > open
> >> > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready
> for
> >> > tlp
> >> > > >> >> >> > > status.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into
> progress?
> >> > E.g.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > number
> >> > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
> >> community.
> >> > > >> Growth
> >> > > >> >> >> > > of
> >> > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide
> >> > > concrete
> >> > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation.
> >> > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the
> incubator
> >> > list
> >> > > >> >> >> > > around
> >> > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
> >> mentioned
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are using
> to
> >> > > >> evaluate
> >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
> >> graduation,
> >> > > but
> >> > > >> how
> >> > > >> >> >> > > do
> >> > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against
> it?
> >> > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >> > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > Patrick
> >> > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
> >> > > >> >> >> > > <he...@gmail.com>
> >> > > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > HI All,
> >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill
> as
> >> top
> >> > > >> level
> >> > > >> >> >> > project.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful
> releases
> >> and
> >> > > have
> >> > > >> >> >> > expanded
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all
> >> > > discussions
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not
> attract
> >> > much
> >> > > >> >> >> > > contributions
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are
> done
> >> > > mostly
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > by
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to
> spend
> >> > > boiler
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > plate
> >> > > >> >> >> > in
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left
> to
> >> > > learn by
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > staying
> >> > > >> >> >> > > in
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
> >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry
> >> > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Apache Twill incubating

Posted by Deepak Dixit <de...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Terence.

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Terence Yim <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the nomination. +1 for myself
>
> Terence
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 12, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Poorna Chandra <po...@cask.co> wrote:
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gary Helmling <gh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:45 PM Andreas Neumann <an...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 for Terence.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big
> >>> Data
> >>>> Con about Apache Twill  =P
> >>>>
> >>>> I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If
> >>> people
> >>>> agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for
> >>>> graduation.
> >>>> Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Henry
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a
> >>>>> set of steps that need to be followed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last
> >> week.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <
> >>>> sreevatsan@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything
> >>>>> before
> >>>>>>> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> Sree
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the insights, Tom.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in
> >>>> next
> >>>>>>>> couple days.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <to...@cloudera.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind
> >>> went
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Super Mea culpa from my side.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No worries!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know about Clutch =P
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I thought you would do :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation,
> >>>> which
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>> And it is reflected in the reports.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
> >>>>>>>>> demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to
> >>> graduate.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect
> >> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <
> >>>> tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henry,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of
> >>>>> incubator
> >>>>>>>>>>> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> For example column K is for the number of committers added
> >>>> during
> >>>>>>>>>>> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >>>>>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI Tom,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but
> >>> bit
> >>>>>>> missing
> >>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stickiness to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I
> >> think
> >>>>>>>> graduation
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just another stepping stone for project to grow.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping in the near future more new committers will be
> >>> coming
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> contribute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <
> >>>>> tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has
> >>>>> demonstrated
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to graduate.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no
> >> new
> >>>>>>>> committers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is
> >> this
> >>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a lack of suitable candidates?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
> >>>>>>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Terence.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation
> >>>>> proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been
> >>>> contributed
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of
> >>> time
> >>>> we
> >>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <
> >>>>> chtyim@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henry,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for initiating the discussion about
> >> graduation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is
> >> currently
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>> 60
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs
> >>> 01/22/15).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <he...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to
> >>> gather
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you look at the email archive [1] you can see
> >> the
> >>>> dev@
> >>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good amount of emails.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This include messages from Github Pull Requests
> >>> mirror
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> JIRA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new features development and design had always
> >>> been
> >>>>> made
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have
> >>> numbers
> >>>>> about
> >>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase of subscriber.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the community has released about 7 good
> >> releases
> >>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs
> >>>> member
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because lack of trying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3]
> >>> and
> >>>>> add
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public sites [4] [5].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add
> >>> any
> >>>>>>> advice
> >>>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate the report.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The releases made were one of the easiest ones to
> >>> vote
> >>>>> for.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for
> >>>>> Twill to
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator anymore.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >> https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> >>
> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4]
> >>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [5]
> >>
> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
> >>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly
> >>>>> looking at
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I
> >>>> think
> >>>>>>>> you're
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty good shape. I agree the community is
> >> small,
> >>>> but
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> might
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be the way the project is. More the question is
> >> is
> >>> it
> >>>>> an
> >>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community that understands the Apache Way and is
> >>>> ready
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> tlp
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide some quantitative insight into
> >>>>> progress?
> >>>>>>>> E.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
> >>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Growth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could
> >>>> provide
> >>>>>>>>> concrete
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insight and help with the evaluation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was recently involved in a discussion on the
> >>>>> incubator
> >>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
> >>>>>>> mentioned
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following document which it seems some folks are
> >>>> using
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> evaluate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
> >>>>>>> graduation,
> >>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you feel the project stacks up when evaluated
> >>> against
> >>>>> it?
> >>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <he...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI All,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to bring up graduation of Apache
> >>> Twill
> >>>>> as
> >>>>>>> top
> >>>>>>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The community has released several successful
> >>>>> releases
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanded
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC to show openness, and also have done
> >> all
> >>>>>>>>> discussions
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development in the open following the Apache
> >> way.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The podling is indeed small, and so far has not
> >>>>> attract
> >>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from outside world.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is bc most development apps for YARN
> >>> are
> >>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>> mostly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework developers which sometimes don't mind
> >>> to
> >>>>> spend
> >>>>>>>>> boiler
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I believe Twill community has nothing
> >>> left
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> learn by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the incubator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
> >>
>



-- 
From:

Deepak D Dixit
deepakdixit2011@gmail.com
+919028507537

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Apache Twill incubating

Posted by Terence Yim <ch...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the nomination. +1 for myself

Terence

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Poorna Chandra <po...@cask.co> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gary Helmling <gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:45 PM Andreas Neumann <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 for Terence.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big
>>> Data
>>>> Con about Apache Twill  =P
>>>> 
>>>> I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board.
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If
>>> people
>>>> agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for
>>>> graduation.
>>>> Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE.
>>>> 
>>>> - Henry
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a
>>>>> set of steps that need to be followed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <
>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last
>> week.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <
>>>> sreevatsan@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything
>>>>> before
>>>>>>> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Sree
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <
>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the insights, Tom.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in
>>>> next
>>>>>>>> couple days.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <to...@cloudera.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <
>>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind
>>> went
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Super Mea culpa from my side.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No worries!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know about Clutch =P
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I thought you would do :)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation,
>>>> which
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>> And it is reflected in the reports.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
>>>>>>>>> demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to
>>> graduate.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect
>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <
>>>> tom.e.white@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henry,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of
>>>>> incubator
>>>>>>>>>>> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> For example column K is for the number of committers added
>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
>>>>>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Tom,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but
>>> bit
>>>>>>> missing
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> stickiness to
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I
>> think
>>>>>>>> graduation
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> just another stepping stone for project to grow.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping in the near future more new committers will be
>>> coming
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> contribute.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <
>>>>> tom.e.white@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has
>>>>> demonstrated
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to graduate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no
>> new
>>>>>>>> committers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is
>> this
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lack of suitable candidates?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
>>>>>>>>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Terence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation
>>>>> proposal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been
>>>> contributed
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of
>>> time
>>>> we
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <
>>>>> chtyim@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for initiating the discussion about
>> graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is
>> currently
>>>>> have
>>>>>>> 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs
>>> 01/22/15).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <he...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to
>>> gather
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you look at the email archive [1] you can see
>> the
>>>> dev@
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good amount of emails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This include messages from Github Pull Requests
>>> mirror
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> JIRA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new features development and design had always
>>> been
>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have
>>> numbers
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase of subscriber.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the community has released about 7 good
>> releases
>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs
>>>> member
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because lack of trying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3]
>>> and
>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public sites [4] [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add
>>> any
>>>>>>> advice
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate the report.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The releases made were one of the easiest ones to
>>> vote
>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for
>>>>> Twill to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>> https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4]
>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [5]
>> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
>>>>>>>> phunt@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly
>>>>> looking at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I
>>>> think
>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty good shape. I agree the community is
>> small,
>>>> but
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be the way the project is. More the question is
>> is
>>> it
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community that understands the Apache Way and is
>>>> ready
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> tlp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you provide some quantitative insight into
>>>>> progress?
>>>>>>>> E.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>>> Growth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could
>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>> concrete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insight and help with the evaluation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was recently involved in a discussion on the
>>>>> incubator
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following document which it seems some folks are
>>>> using
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
>>>>>>> graduation,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you feel the project stacks up when evaluated
>>> against
>>>>> it?
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <he...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to bring up graduation of Apache
>>> Twill
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>>>>> level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The community has released several successful
>>>>> releases
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the PPMC to show openness, and also have done
>> all
>>>>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development in the open following the Apache
>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The podling is indeed small, and so far has not
>>>>> attract
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from outside world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it is bc most development apps for YARN
>>> are
>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework developers which sometimes don't mind
>>> to
>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>> boiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I believe Twill community has nothing
>>> left
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> learn by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the incubator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Henry
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Apache Twill incubating

Posted by Poorna Chandra <po...@cask.co>.
+1

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gary Helmling <gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:45 PM Andreas Neumann <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 for Terence.
> >
> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big
> > Data
> > > Con about Apache Twill  =P
> > >
> > > I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board.
> > >
> > > I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If
> > people
> > > agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for
> > > graduation.
> > > Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE.
> > >
> > > - Henry
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a
> > > > set of steps that need to be followed.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last
> week.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Henry
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <
> > > sreevatsan@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything
> > > > before
> > > > >> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> Sree
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Thanks for the insights, Tom.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in
> > > next
> > > > >> > couple days.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > - Henry
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <to...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > > henry.saputra@gmail.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind
> > went
> > > > to
> > > > >> > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Super Mea culpa from my side.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > No worries!
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I thought you would do :)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation,
> > > which
> > > > is
> > > > >> > me.
> > > > >> > > > And it is reflected in the reports.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
> > > > >> > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to
> > graduate.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Cheers,
> > > > >> > > Tom
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect
> it.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > - Henry
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <
> > > tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> Hi Henry,
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of
> > > > incubator
> > > > >> > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added
> > > during
> > > > >> > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> > > >> Tom
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > > >> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> > HI Tom,
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but
> > bit
> > > > >> missing
> > > > >> > > on
> > > > >> > > >> the
> > > > >> > > >> > stickiness to
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I
> think
> > > > >> > graduation
> > > > >> > > is
> > > > >> > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow.
> > > > >> > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be
> > coming
> > > to
> > > > >> > > >> contribute.
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > - Henry
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <
> > > > tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has
> > > > demonstrated
> > > > >> it
> > > > >> > > is
> > > > >> > > >> >> ready to graduate.
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no
> new
> > > > >> > committers
> > > > >> > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is
> this
> > > > >> because
> > > > >> > of
> > > > >> > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates?
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> Tom
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > > >> > > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> > Thanks Terence.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation
> > > > proposal.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been
> > > contributed
> > > > >> this
> > > > >> > > >> >> > already),
> > > > >> > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of
> > time
> > > we
> > > > >> need
> > > > >> > > your
> > > > >> > > >> >> > opinions.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> > - Henry
> > > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <
> > > > chtyim@gmail.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry,
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about
> graduation.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is
> currently
> > > > have
> > > > >> 60
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> subscribers,
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs
> > 01/22/15).
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> Terence
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> <he...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick,
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to
> > gather
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > information.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see
> the
> > > dev@
> > > > >> > list
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > contains
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests
> > mirror
> > > > and
> > > > >> > JIRA
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always
> > been
> > > > made
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > public
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > for
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have
> > numbers
> > > > about
> > > > >> > how
> > > > >> > > >> many
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good
> releases
> > > [2]
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs
> > > member
> > > > >> but
> > > > >> > > it is
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > not
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3]
> > and
> > > > add
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > information
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > to
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5].
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add
> > any
> > > > >> advice
> > > > >> > > >> other
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > than
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > validate the report.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to
> > vote
> > > > for.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for
> > > > Twill to
> > > > >> > be
> > > > >> > > in
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Henry
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > [1]
> > > > >> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > [2]
> https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > [3]
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > [4]
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > [5]
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
> > > > >> > phunt@apache.org
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly
> > > > looking at
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I
> > > think
> > > > >> > you're
> > > > >> > > in
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is
> small,
> > > but
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> > > might
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > just
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is
> is
> > it
> > > > an
> > > > >> > open
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is
> > > ready
> > > > for
> > > > >> > tlp
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > status.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into
> > > > progress?
> > > > >> > E.g.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > number
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
> > > > >> community.
> > > > >> > > >> Growth
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > of
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could
> > > provide
> > > > >> > > concrete
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the
> > > > incubator
> > > > >> > list
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > around
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
> > > > >> mentioned
> > > > >> > > the
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are
> > > using
> > > > to
> > > > >> > > >> evaluate
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
> > > > >> graduation,
> > > > >> > > but
> > > > >> > > >> how
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > do
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated
> > against
> > > > it?
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Regards,
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Patrick
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > <he...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > HI All,
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache
> > Twill
> > > > as
> > > > >> top
> > > > >> > > >> level
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > project.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful
> > > > releases
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > > have
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > expanded
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done
> all
> > > > >> > > discussions
> > > > >> > > >> and
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache
> way.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not
> > > > attract
> > > > >> > much
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > contributions
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN
> > are
> > > > done
> > > > >> > > mostly
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > by
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind
> > to
> > > > spend
> > > > >> > > boiler
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > plate
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > in
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing
> > left
> > > > to
> > > > >> > > learn by
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > staying
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > in
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Apache Twill incubating

Posted by Gary Helmling <gh...@gmail.com>.
+1

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:45 PM Andreas Neumann <an...@apache.org> wrote:

> +1 for Terence.
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big
> Data
> > Con about Apache Twill  =P
> >
> > I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board.
> >
> > I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If
> people
> > agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for
> > graduation.
> > Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE.
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a
> > > set of steps that need to be followed.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last week.
> > > >
> > > > Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.
> > > >
> > > > If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > - Henry
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <
> > sreevatsan@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything
> > > before
> > > >> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Sree
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Thanks for the insights, Tom.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in
> > next
> > > >> > couple days.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > - Henry
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <to...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > henry.saputra@gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > Hi Tom,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind
> went
> > > to
> > > >> > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Super Mea culpa from my side.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > No worries!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I thought you would do :)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation,
> > which
> > > is
> > > >> > me.
> > > >> > > > And it is reflected in the reports.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
> > > >> > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to
> graduate.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Cheers,
> > > >> > > Tom
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > - Henry
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <
> > tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> Hi Henry,
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of
> > > incubator
> > > >> > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added
> > during
> > > >> > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> > > >> Tom
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > >> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> > HI Tom,
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but
> bit
> > > >> missing
> > > >> > > on
> > > >> > > >> the
> > > >> > > >> > stickiness to
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think
> > > >> > graduation
> > > >> > > is
> > > >> > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow.
> > > >> > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be
> coming
> > to
> > > >> > > >> contribute.
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> > - Henry
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <
> > > tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has
> > > demonstrated
> > > >> it
> > > >> > > is
> > > >> > > >> >> ready to graduate.
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new
> > > >> > committers
> > > >> > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this
> > > >> because
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates?
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> Tom
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > > >> > > >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > > >> > > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> > Thanks Terence.
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation
> > > proposal.
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been
> > contributed
> > > >> this
> > > >> > > >> >> > already),
> > > >> > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of
> time
> > we
> > > >> need
> > > >> > > your
> > > >> > > >> >> > opinions.
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > - Henry
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <
> > > chtyim@gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry,
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation.
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently
> > > have
> > > >> 60
> > > >> > > >> >> >> subscribers,
> > > >> > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs
> 01/22/15).
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> Terence
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
> > > >> > > >> >> >> <he...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick,
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to
> gather
> > > the
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > information.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the
> > dev@
> > > >> > list
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > contains
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests
> mirror
> > > and
> > > >> > JIRA
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always
> been
> > > made
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > public
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > for
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have
> numbers
> > > about
> > > >> > how
> > > >> > > >> many
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases
> > [2]
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs
> > member
> > > >> but
> > > >> > > it is
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > not
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3]
> and
> > > add
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > information
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > to
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5].
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add
> any
> > > >> advice
> > > >> > > >> other
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > than
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > validate the report.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to
> vote
> > > for.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for
> > > Twill to
> > > >> > be
> > > >> > > in
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Henry
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > [1]
> > > >> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > [3]
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > [4]
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > [5]
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
> > > >> > phunt@apache.org
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly
> > > looking at
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I
> > think
> > > >> > you're
> > > >> > > in
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small,
> > but
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > might
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > just
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is
> it
> > > an
> > > >> > open
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is
> > ready
> > > for
> > > >> > tlp
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > status.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into
> > > progress?
> > > >> > E.g.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > number
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
> > > >> community.
> > > >> > > >> Growth
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > of
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could
> > provide
> > > >> > > concrete
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the
> > > incubator
> > > >> > list
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > around
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
> > > >> mentioned
> > > >> > > the
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are
> > using
> > > to
> > > >> > > >> evaluate
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
> > > >> graduation,
> > > >> > > but
> > > >> > > >> how
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > do
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated
> against
> > > it?
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Regards,
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Patrick
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > <he...@gmail.com>
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > HI All,
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache
> Twill
> > > as
> > > >> top
> > > >> > > >> level
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > project.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful
> > > releases
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > have
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > expanded
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all
> > > >> > > discussions
> > > >> > > >> and
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not
> > > attract
> > > >> > much
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > contributions
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN
> are
> > > done
> > > >> > > mostly
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > by
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind
> to
> > > spend
> > > >> > > boiler
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > plate
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > in
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing
> left
> > > to
> > > >> > > learn by
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > staying
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > in
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry
> > > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >> >
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation of Apache Twill incubating

Posted by Andreas Neumann <an...@apache.org>.
+1 for Terence.

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big Data
> Con about Apache Twill  =P
>
> I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board.
>
> I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If people
> agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for
> graduation.
> Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a
> > set of steps that need to be followed.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last week.
> > >
> > > Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen.
> > >
> > > If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow.
> > >
> > > - Henry
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman <
> sreevatsan@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything
> > before
> > >> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Sree
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Thanks for the insights, Tom.
> > >> >
> > >> > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in
> next
> > >> > couple days.
> > >> >
> > >> > - Henry
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <to...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > henry.saputra@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > Hi Tom,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind went
> > to
> > >> > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Super Mea culpa from my side.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > No worries!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I thought you would do :)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation,
> which
> > is
> > >> > me.
> > >> > > > And it is reflected in the reports.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has
> > >> > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to graduate.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Cheers,
> > >> > > Tom
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > - Henry
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <
> tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> Hi Henry,
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of
> > incubator
> > >> > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added
> during
> > >> > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Cheers,
> > >> > > >> Tom
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > >> > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >> > HI Tom,
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch?
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit
> > >> missing
> > >> > > on
> > >> > > >> the
> > >> > > >> > stickiness to
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think
> > >> > graduation
> > >> > > is
> > >> > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow.
> > >> > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming
> to
> > >> > > >> contribute.
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > - Henry
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <
> > tom.e.white@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has
> > demonstrated
> > >> it
> > >> > > is
> > >> > > >> >> ready to graduate.
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new
> > >> > committers
> > >> > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this
> > >> because
> > >> > of
> > >> > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates?
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> Tom
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <
> > >> > > henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> >> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> > Thanks Terence.
> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation
> > proposal.
> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been
> contributed
> > >> this
> > >> > > >> >> > already),
> > >> > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time
> we
> > >> need
> > >> > > your
> > >> > > >> >> > opinions.
> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> > - Henry
> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <
> > chtyim@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> > > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry,
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation.
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently
> > have
> > >> 60
> > >> > > >> >> >> subscribers,
> > >> > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15).
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> Terence
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra
> > >> > > >> >> >> <he...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick,
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather
> > the
> > >> > > >> >> >> > information.
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the
> dev@
> > >> > list
> > >> > > >> >> >> > contains
> > >> > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror
> > and
> > >> > JIRA
> > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always been
> > made
> > >> > to
> > >> > > >> >> >> > public
> > >> > > >> >> >> > for
> > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions.
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers
> > about
> > >> > how
> > >> > > >> many
> > >> > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber.
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases
> [2]
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs
> member
> > >> but
> > >> > > it is
> > >> > > >> >> >> > not
> > >> > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and
> > add
> > >> > > >> >> >> > information
> > >> > > >> >> >> > to
> > >> > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5].
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any
> > >> advice
> > >> > > >> other
> > >> > > >> >> >> > than
> > >> > > >> >> >> > validate the report.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote
> > for.
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for
> > Twill to
> > >> > be
> > >> > > in
> > >> > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore.
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks,
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > - Henry
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > [1]
> > >> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/
> > >> > > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/
> > >> > > >> >> >> > [3]
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111
> > >> > > >> >> >> > [4]
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html
> > >> > > >> >> >> > [5]
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <
> > >> > phunt@apache.org
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly
> > looking at
> > >> > the
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I
> think
> > >> > you're
> > >> > > in
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small,
> but
> > >> that
> > >> > > might
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > just
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it
> > an
> > >> > open
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is
> ready
> > for
> > >> > tlp
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > status.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into
> > progress?
> > >> > E.g.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > number
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the
> > >> community.
> > >> > > >> Growth
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > of
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could
> provide
> > >> > > concrete
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the
> > incubator
> > >> > list
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > around
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone
> > >> mentioned
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are
> using
> > to
> > >> > > >> evaluate
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of
> > >> graduation,
> > >> > > but
> > >> > > >> how
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > do
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against
> > it?
> > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > Regards,
> > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > Patrick
> > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > <he...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > HI All,
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill
> > as
> > >> top
> > >> > > >> level
> > >> > > >> >> >> > project.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful
> > releases
> > >> and
> > >> > > have
> > >> > > >> >> >> > expanded
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all
> > >> > > discussions
> > >> > > >> and
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not
> > attract
> > >> > much
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > contributions
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are
> > done
> > >> > > mostly
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > by
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to
> > spend
> > >> > > boiler
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > plate
> > >> > > >> >> >> > in
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left
> > to
> > >> > > learn by
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > staying
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > in
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed.
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry
> > >> > > >> >> >> > >
> > >> > > >> >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >> >
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>