WG: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - based CMS

[Sascha-Matthias Kulawik <s....@juwimm.com>]

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Hello,

we've developed a XML-based Content Management System based on different
technologies like Cocoon, XML, EJB and a WebStart Client Application. It
is in our interest, that we contribute this project with about 200.000
Lines of Code to the Apache Foundation. I've already written to the
Incubator project and I'm searching for a sponsoring Apache member  or a
major project to get the project on the road. It uses a lot of Cocoon,
so it might be a subproject of Cocoon, but it might be run with another
"Rendering-Engine" as well. As it is based on XML Content it might be
also interesting for the Apache XML project - but most of the code is
not related to XML anyway. So the third project in the round - Jakarta -
is comming in the light. Just for your interest: The project is existing
since one year at our company as a closed source application. We've
already running many websites with the CMS', but it was one of the major
interests of our initial customer, that we will open the source for
everyone. IMHO Apache is the best point for let the project fly into the
sky of open source. Currently there are three developers envolved into
the project and actually coding. I have already done some stuff for
different open source projects and also contributed to the Apache James
project - tried to reorganize the IMAP4 code. (Because of my 16h/day
fulltime efford on this CMS project it was impossible to do anything
else) So let me know how I can show you how powerful this project is and
how I can convince you to become the CMS a subproject of one of your
projects.

Please let me know what else could I do to, if this is not the right way
for seeking a sponsoring Apache member.

Regards,

Sascha-Matthias Kulawik
JuwiMacMillan Group GmbH

P.S.: The Name of the Product is "ConQuest", it's current Home Page is
http://conquest.juwimm.net and it is already in use at some customers of
us.

Re: WG: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - based

[Ryan Hoegg <rh...@isisnetworks.net>]

Codehaus is another community, I'm sure its rules aren't exactly the 
same.  The information on the web site claims to place "a firm priority 
on the production of useful code, and less on non-coding exercises such 
as voting, committee-forming and proposal-writing".  Why would that have 
an affect on the hosted project's potential future with Apache?

--
Ryan Hoegg
ISIS Networks
http://www.isisnetworks.net

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> I would not recommend CodeHaus if they want to later apply for Apache, 
> as it does not follow the same community rules as Apache.

Re: WG: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - based CMS

[Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>]

Niclas Hedhman wrote, On 29/08/2003 6.51:

> Sascha-Matthias Kulawik said:
> 
>>we've developed a XML-based Content Management System based on
>>different technologies like Cocoon, XML, EJB and a WebStart Client
>>Application. It is in our interest, that we contribute this
>>project with about 200.000 Lines of Code to the Apache Foundation.
> 
> To continue on Steve's "pessimistic" intro to Apache incubations,
> perhaps you need some encouragements;
> 
> 1. Put it up on SourceForge, or perhaps some other place such as
> CodeHaus.

I would not recommend CodeHaus if they want to later apply for Apache, 
as it does not follow the same community rules as Apache.

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: WG: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - based CMS

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

Sascha-Matthias Kulawik said:
> we've developed a XML-based Content Management System based on
> different technologies like Cocoon, XML, EJB and a WebStart Client
> Application. It is in our interest, that we contribute this
> project with about 200.000 Lines of Code to the Apache Foundation.

To continue on Steve's "pessimistic" intro to Apache incubations,
perhaps you need some encouragements;

1. Put it up on SourceForge, or perhaps some other place such as
CodeHaus.

2. Get the OSS structure in place, licenses, documentation,
committers, evolution and so on...

3. "Market" the package. I'm sure that OSS mailing lists are
"tolerant" to occassional OSS marketing.

4. Some indviduals typically shows an interest (if your stuff is
good enough). Try to tie them into the project, perhaps by helping
out with testing, documentation, installation procedures and more.

5. Some individuals wants extra features, if it is not available,
try to encourage them to add these features themselves. Tell how it
should/could be done, and be very helpful. If they manage, grant
committer status more easily than Apache generally does.

6. Then come back to Apache. If you at such time have half a dozen
external committers (who has contributed and understand the codebase
to a reasonable degree), documentation, and overall an healthy
project, it is more likely for it to be accepted.

Also, your customer wants the project to go OSS, which IMHO is a
GOOD THING (tm), but Apache is not equivalent with OSS.
Cocoon founder, Stefano, has a remarkable attitude to OSS projects;
"Bad Code, Great Ideas => Good Community".
Indirectly it also means that "production quality code" has a harder
time to gather good community, since the codebase is better than
"BAD".

Cheers.
Niclas