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Culling the maven-stage-plugin
This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
+1
--mobile
On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
>
> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
>
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On Nov 1, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>
> On 01/11/2010, at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>
> I don't disagree, but given it was just yesterday, I think Dennis should get to finish what he's doing.
He was applying a patch by Dan Tran who actually has access to Mojo.
>>
>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>
>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>
> The Artifactory and Nexus OSS users? :)
Unlikely in both cases. If you're sophisticated enough to use/want that functionality you want it done properly.
>
> /me ducks
>
> - Brett
>
> --
> Brett Porter
> brett@apache.org
> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>
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Jason
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com>.
>
> On 01/11/2010, at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is
>> generally not going to get used.
>
> I don't disagree, but given it was just yesterday, I think Dennis should
> get to finish what he's doing.
>>
>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>
>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned.
>> Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of
>> staging?
>
> The Artifactory and Nexus OSS users? :)
>
> /me ducks
Haha... thanks for saying that Brett. You made me laugh ... I guess I
gotta duck now too. Whoosh... by it went..
manfred
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
On 01/11/2010, at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
I don't disagree, but given it was just yesterday, I think Dennis should get to finish what he's doing.
>
> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>
> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
The Artifactory and Nexus OSS users? :)
/me ducks
- Brett
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org>.
On 2010-11-02 04:00, Dan Tran wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Dan Tran wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It actually is being used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
>>>>>>> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After that I'm done with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
>>>>>>> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
>>>>>>> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no need to move stage plugin to MOJO since wagon-maven-plugin
>>>>> covers that feature.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're saying Dennis applied your patch and you're using the wagon-maven-plugin?
>>>
>>> My apology, should had withdrawn the request for this fix a long time ago.
>>
>>
>> No, no. I just didn't know they served the same purpose and just wanted to know. If the maven-wagon-plugin is more flexible (I assume it handles all supported transports, not just what I originally hard-coded for Apache stuff a long time ago) then the maven-stage-plugin can probably be retired.
>
> Yes, wagon-maven-plugin supports staging and more flexible. So it is
> safe to retire stage-maven-plugin.
Do you have any configuration examples that you can share with us, on
how to use wagon-maven-plugin for staging?
If so we can suggest that as a possible migration path for users of
Maven Stage Plugin if/when it is retired.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>>>>>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>>>>>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>>>>>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>>>>>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Brett Porter
>>>>>>>>> brett@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Unknown
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dennis Lundberg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
>>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
>>>> is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
>>>> looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples
>>>> you look at, the more general your framework will be.
>>>>
>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
>> and sit softly on your shoulder ...
>>
>> -- Thoreau
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Dan Tran wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It actually is being used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
>>>>>> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that I'm done with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
>>>>>> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
>>>>>> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no need to move stage plugin to MOJO since wagon-maven-plugin
>>>> covers that feature.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So you're saying Dennis applied your patch and you're using the wagon-maven-plugin?
>>
>> My apology, should had withdrawn the request for this fix a long time ago.
>
>
> No, no. I just didn't know they served the same purpose and just wanted to know. If the maven-wagon-plugin is more flexible (I assume it handles all supported transports, not just what I originally hard-coded for Apache stuff a long time ago) then the maven-stage-plugin can probably be retired.
Yes, wagon-maven-plugin supports staging and more flexible. So it is
safe to retire stage-maven-plugin.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>>>>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>>>>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>>>>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>>>>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Brett Porter
>>>>>>>> brett@apache.org
>>>>>>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Unknown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dennis Lundberg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jason van Zyl
>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
>>> is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
>>> looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples
>>> you look at, the more general your framework will be.
>>>
>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
> and sit softly on your shoulder ...
>
> -- Thoreau
>
>
>
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Dan Tran wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>>>>>
>>>>> It actually is being used.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>>>>
>>>>> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
>>>>> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>>>>>
>>>>> After that I'm done with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
>>>>> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
>>>>> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no need to move stage plugin to MOJO since wagon-maven-plugin
>>> covers that feature.
>>>
>>
>> So you're saying Dennis applied your patch and you're using the wagon-maven-plugin?
>
> My apology, should had withdrawn the request for this fix a long time ago.
No, no. I just didn't know they served the same purpose and just wanted to know. If the maven-wagon-plugin is more flexible (I assume it handles all supported transports, not just what I originally hard-coded for Apache stuff a long time ago) then the maven-stage-plugin can probably be retired.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>>>>
>>>>>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>>>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>>>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>>>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>>>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>>>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Brett Porter
>>>>>>> brett@apache.org
>>>>>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Unknown
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dennis Lundberg
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
>> actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
>> is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
>> looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples
>> you look at, the more general your framework will be.
>>
>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
---------------------------------------------------------
happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
and sit softly on your shoulder ...
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>>>>
>>>> It actually is being used.
>>>>
>>>>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>>>
>>>> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
>>>> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>>>>
>>>> After that I'm done with it.
>>>>
>>>> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
>>>> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
>>>> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>>>>
>>
>> There is no need to move stage plugin to MOJO since wagon-maven-plugin
>> covers that feature.
>>
>
> So you're saying Dennis applied your patch and you're using the wagon-maven-plugin?
My apology, should had withdrawn the request for this fix a long time ago.
>
>>
>>>
>>> That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>>>
>>>>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Brett Porter
>>>>>> brett@apache.org
>>>>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Unknown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dennis Lundberg
>>>>
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>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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>
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> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
> actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
> is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
> looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples
> you look at, the more general your framework will be.
>
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>>>
>>> It actually is being used.
>>>
>>>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>>
>>> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
>>> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>>>
>>> After that I'm done with it.
>>>
>>> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
>>> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
>>> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>>>
>
> There is no need to move stage plugin to MOJO since wagon-maven-plugin
> covers that feature.
>
So you're saying Dennis applied your patch and you're using the wagon-maven-plugin?
>
>>
>> That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>>
>>>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brett Porter
>>>>> brett@apache.org
>>>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>>>
>>>> -- Unknown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dennis Lundberg
>>>
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>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
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Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
---------------------------------------------------------
People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples
you look at, the more general your framework will be.
-- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Dan Tran <da...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
>
>> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>>
>> It actually is being used.
>>
>>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>>
>> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
>> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>>
>> After that I'm done with it.
>>
>> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
>> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
>> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>>
There is no need to move stage plugin to MOJO since wagon-maven-plugin
covers that feature.
>
> That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>
>>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>>
>>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brett Porter
>>>> brett@apache.org
>>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jason van Zyl
>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>>
>>> -- Unknown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dennis Lundberg
>>
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>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
>
>
>
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote:
> On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
>
> It actually is being used.
>
>> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
>
> My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
> rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
>
> After that I'm done with it.
>
> I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
> whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
> plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
>
That seems most sensible given the guy you applied the patch for could have done it himself at Mojo.
>> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>>
>>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>>
>>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brett Porter
>>> brett@apache.org
>>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>>
>> -- Unknown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dennis Lundberg
>
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Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
---------------------------------------------------------
Simplex sigillum veri. (Simplicity is the seal of truth.)
Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org>.
On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
It actually is being used.
> Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get
rid of one of the last beta-version-plugins :)
After that I'm done with it.
I do think that this is a useful plugin for those that do not, for
whatever reason, have a repository manager, despite its warts. Perhaps a
plugin that could move to the Mojo project?
> If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
>
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
>
>> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>>
>> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>>
>>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jason van Zyl
>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>>> goals are in doubt.
>>>
>>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Brett Porter
>> brett@apache.org
>> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
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>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
>
> -- Unknown
>
>
>
>
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Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used.
Dennis, are you committed to supporting it?
If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of staging?
On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
> Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
>
> On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>> goals are in doubt.
>>
>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Brett Porter
> brett@apache.org
> http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
>
>
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Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
---------------------------------------------------------
We all have problems. How we deal with them is a measure of our worth.
-- Unknown
Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature.
On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
>
> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
>
--
Brett Porter
brett@apache.org
http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
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