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Re: svn commit: r1551291
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
> Author: sebb
> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
> New Revision: 1551291
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
> Log:
> Clarify
> Remove my attribution
>
I do not understand.
What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
Oleg
Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 17 December 2013 21:33, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 21:17 +0000, sebb wrote:
>> On 17 December 2013 20:43, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 20:02 +0000, sebb wrote:
>> >> On 17 December 2013 08:18, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:59 +0000, sebb wrote:
>> >> >> On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
>> >> >> >> Author: sebb
>> >> >> >> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
>> >> >> >> New Revision: 1551291
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
>> >> >> >> Log:
>> >> >> >> Clarify
>> >> >> >> Remove my attribution
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I do not understand.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > It is not the size of contribution that matters. What I do not
>> >> > understand is why you do not want your name associated with it. If you
>> >> > want to keep it anonymous, what is the point of having it in the release
>> >> > notes?
>> >>
>> >> There's not a lot I can do about JIRA issue attributions, but I don't
>> >> particularly want my name added to the release notes as well.
>> >>
>> >
>> > This makes no sense to me, but so be it.
>> > Could you please then remove that entry from the release notes?
>>
>> I don't see why that's necessary.
>>
>> > We should at the very least be
>> > consistent in such fundamental things and either make no attributions at
>> > all, make no attributions to project committers or mandate attribution.
>>
>> What does it matter if one or two attribution lines are missing?
>>
>> I fail to see how the presence or absence of an attribution line is
>> "fundamental" to the release notes.
>>
>> The JIRA issues and descriptions of changes - yes, those are
>> fundamental, but attributions?
>>
>> If people want attribution, fine, let it be in the release notes.
>> If they do not, omit the attribution.
>>
>> What is the problem with that?
>>
>
> I do not see why on earth one would want to announce a change in the
> release notes
Because the RN file needs to cover all the substantive changes made.
> and at the same time refuse to acknowledge personal
> participation in the matter.
Committer participation is documented by the SCM logs; I don't think
it _needs_ further mention in the RN.
That should be optional.
There may well be large changes that don't really warrant a mention in
the RN (for example tab removal, and other changes that don't affect
the code)
So the RN file is in any case not a full record of participation.
Furthermore, where a committer applies a patch provided by a 3rd
party, the RN file only acknowledges the patch provider (e.g.
HTTPCORE-340), even though substantial work may also have been
required by the committer.
> To me attribution in case of project
> committers is more about taking responsibility rather than about getting
> credit.
Again, the SCM records this.
A committer takes responsibility by committing a change.
> But so be it. There are ways of seeing and not seeing.
Indeed.
> Oleg
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Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 21:17 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 17 December 2013 20:43, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 20:02 +0000, sebb wrote:
> >> On 17 December 2013 08:18, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:59 +0000, sebb wrote:
> >> >> On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
> >> >> >> Author: sebb
> >> >> >> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
> >> >> >> New Revision: 1551291
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
> >> >> >> Log:
> >> >> >> Clarify
> >> >> >> Remove my attribution
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I do not understand.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
> >> >>
> >> >> You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > It is not the size of contribution that matters. What I do not
> >> > understand is why you do not want your name associated with it. If you
> >> > want to keep it anonymous, what is the point of having it in the release
> >> > notes?
> >>
> >> There's not a lot I can do about JIRA issue attributions, but I don't
> >> particularly want my name added to the release notes as well.
> >>
> >
> > This makes no sense to me, but so be it.
> > Could you please then remove that entry from the release notes?
>
> I don't see why that's necessary.
>
> > We should at the very least be
> > consistent in such fundamental things and either make no attributions at
> > all, make no attributions to project committers or mandate attribution.
>
> What does it matter if one or two attribution lines are missing?
>
> I fail to see how the presence or absence of an attribution line is
> "fundamental" to the release notes.
>
> The JIRA issues and descriptions of changes - yes, those are
> fundamental, but attributions?
>
> If people want attribution, fine, let it be in the release notes.
> If they do not, omit the attribution.
>
> What is the problem with that?
>
I do not see why on earth one would want to announce a change in the
release notes and at the same time refuse to acknowledge personal
participation in the matter. To me attribution in case of project
committers is more about taking responsibility rather than about getting
credit.
But so be it. There are ways of seeing and not seeing.
Oleg
> > Oleg
> >
> >
> >> > Oleg
> >> >
> >> >> > Oleg
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Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 17 December 2013 20:43, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 20:02 +0000, sebb wrote:
>> On 17 December 2013 08:18, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:59 +0000, sebb wrote:
>> >> On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
>> >> >> Author: sebb
>> >> >> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
>> >> >> New Revision: 1551291
>> >> >>
>> >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
>> >> >> Log:
>> >> >> Clarify
>> >> >> Remove my attribution
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I do not understand.
>> >> >
>> >> > What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
>> >>
>> >> You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
>> >>
>> >
>> > It is not the size of contribution that matters. What I do not
>> > understand is why you do not want your name associated with it. If you
>> > want to keep it anonymous, what is the point of having it in the release
>> > notes?
>>
>> There's not a lot I can do about JIRA issue attributions, but I don't
>> particularly want my name added to the release notes as well.
>>
>
> This makes no sense to me, but so be it.
> Could you please then remove that entry from the release notes?
I don't see why that's necessary.
> We should at the very least be
> consistent in such fundamental things and either make no attributions at
> all, make no attributions to project committers or mandate attribution.
What does it matter if one or two attribution lines are missing?
I fail to see how the presence or absence of an attribution line is
"fundamental" to the release notes.
The JIRA issues and descriptions of changes - yes, those are
fundamental, but attributions?
If people want attribution, fine, let it be in the release notes.
If they do not, omit the attribution.
What is the problem with that?
> Oleg
>
>
>> > Oleg
>> >
>> >> > Oleg
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 20:02 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 17 December 2013 08:18, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:59 +0000, sebb wrote:
> >> On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
> >> >> Author: sebb
> >> >> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
> >> >> New Revision: 1551291
> >> >>
> >> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
> >> >> Log:
> >> >> Clarify
> >> >> Remove my attribution
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I do not understand.
> >> >
> >> > What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
> >>
> >> You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
> >>
> >
> > It is not the size of contribution that matters. What I do not
> > understand is why you do not want your name associated with it. If you
> > want to keep it anonymous, what is the point of having it in the release
> > notes?
>
> There's not a lot I can do about JIRA issue attributions, but I don't
> particularly want my name added to the release notes as well.
>
This makes no sense to me, but so be it. Could you please then remove
that entry from the release notes? We should at the very least be
consistent in such fundamental things and either make no attributions at
all, make no attributions to project committers or mandate attribution.
Oleg
> > Oleg
> >
> >> > Oleg
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 17 December 2013 08:18, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:59 +0000, sebb wrote:
>> On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
>> >> Author: sebb
>> >> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
>> >> New Revision: 1551291
>> >>
>> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
>> >> Log:
>> >> Clarify
>> >> Remove my attribution
>> >>
>> >
>> > I do not understand.
>> >
>> > What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
>>
>> You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
>>
>
> It is not the size of contribution that matters. What I do not
> understand is why you do not want your name associated with it. If you
> want to keep it anonymous, what is the point of having it in the release
> notes?
There's not a lot I can do about JIRA issue attributions, but I don't
particularly want my name added to the release notes as well.
> Oleg
>
>> > Oleg
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 23:59 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
> >> Author: sebb
> >> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
> >> New Revision: 1551291
> >>
> >> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
> >> Log:
> >> Clarify
> >> Remove my attribution
> >>
> >
> > I do not understand.
> >
> > What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
>
> You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
>
It is not the size of contribution that matters. What I do not
understand is why you do not want your name associated with it. If you
want to keep it anonymous, what is the point of having it in the release
notes?
Oleg
> > Oleg
> >
> >
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Re: svn commit: r1551291
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 16 December 2013 21:34, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 18:00 +0000, sebb@apache.org wrote:
>> Author: sebb
>> Date: Mon Dec 16 17:59:59 2013
>> New Revision: 1551291
>>
>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1551291
>> Log:
>> Clarify
>> Remove my attribution
>>
>
> I do not understand.
>
> What's the point of having that entry in the release at all?
You can remove it if you want, but it's still a fix, albeit trivial.
> Oleg
>
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