Re: Timescale for 8.0.x EOL

[Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>]

All,

On 6/21/16 2:26 AM, jean-frederic clere wrote:
> On 06/20/2016 12:12 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Since it seems there is some interest in maintaining 8.0.x beyond
>> September, how about we announce that:
>> - the monthly release cycle for 8.0.x will end in September
>> - new features and bug fixes are unlikely to be back-ported from that
>>   point
>> - security fixes will probably be back-ported
>> - further releases will depend on circumstances but are unlikely to be
>>   more frequent that 6 monthly
>
> +1 I will try to find the cycles to be the RM from September on.

I forgot that we had had this discussion last year, but this topic came
back up at this week's TomcatCon.

I believe this was the general consensus from the community present this
week:

1. Tomcat 7.0.x is expected to be supported beyond the EOL for Tomcat
8.0.x. I don't believe there were any plans to sundown 7.0.x before
8.0.x, so this isn't a problem.

2. Tomcat 8.5.x should be a "nearly" drop-in replacement for Tomcat
8.0.x. Anything that prevents it from being so should be considered a
bug in Tomcat 8.5.x and should be fixed. There are one or two things
that could be changed in Tomcat 8.5.x to improve the current situation.

3. A migration guide pointing-out those items which can lead to Tomcat
8.5.x not being a drop-in replacement for Tomcat 8.0.x would be greatly
appreciated. Chris Schultz has graciously been voluntold to draft such a
guide. NB http://tomcat.apache.org/migration-85.html is too verbose;
users are looking for a "these items need to be addressed in order to do
a drop-in upgrade" kind of guide. The full migration guide can be used
when things don't work well after the short-short version.

4. Setting a definite EOL date is helpful because many vendors will not
even consider upgrading from e.g. 8.0.x -> 8.5.x unless there is an EOL
on the horizon. In order to force users to upgrade, we may be forced to
set this date as aggressively as possible. Conversely, 12 months is
about the amount of time that would be required for most users to plan,
test, and make the switch.

Given the above, I think it's probably safe to re-start the conversation
about setting an EOL date for Tomcat 8.0.x.

My proposal, adapted from the thread before discussion ceased last summer:

1. Set Tomcat 8.0.x EOL date for 31 May 2018
2. Discontinue monthly release cadence for Tomcat 8.0.x after 8.0.45
3. Make these announcements as soon as we have agreed to the details for
#1 and #2

-chris

Re: Timescale for 8.0.x EOL

[Coty Sutherland <cs...@redhat.com>]

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Felix Schumacher
<fe...@internetallee.de> wrote:
>
>
> Am 6. Juni 2017 20:39:44 MESZ schrieb Violeta Georgieva <vi...@apache.org>:
>>Hi,
>>
>>2017-06-05 16:51 GMT+03:00 Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>> On 19/05/17 23:19, Christopher Schultz wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip/>
>>>
>>> > My proposal, adapted from the thread before discussion ceased last
>>summer:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Set Tomcat 8.0.x EOL date for 31 May 2018
>>> > 2. Discontinue monthly release cadence for Tomcat 8.0.x after
>>8.0.45
>>> > 3. Make these announcements as soon as we have agreed to the
>>details for
>>> > #1 and #2
>>>
>>> Yet again I managed to respond to the sender rather than the list...
>>>
>>> +1, for #1 and #3 assuming that we make this 30 June 2018.
>>>
>>> I'm neutral on #2 since it is unlikely to be me doing the releases.
>>I've
>>> no objection to monthly releases if someone wants to take that on. I
>>> suspect every 2 to 3 months would be sufficient.
>>
>>In case there are enough people that can test the releases and vote I
>>can
>>do the releases for example every 2 months.
>
> I will try to test and vote.

+1, me too :)

>
> Felix
>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Violeta
>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
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Re: Timescale for 8.0.x EOL

[Felix Schumacher <fe...@internetallee.de>]

Am 6. Juni 2017 20:39:44 MESZ schrieb Violeta Georgieva <vi...@apache.org>:
>Hi,
>
>2017-06-05 16:51 GMT+03:00 Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>:
>>
>> On 19/05/17 23:19, Christopher Schultz wrote:
>>
>> <snip/>
>>
>> > My proposal, adapted from the thread before discussion ceased last
>summer:
>> >
>> > 1. Set Tomcat 8.0.x EOL date for 31 May 2018
>> > 2. Discontinue monthly release cadence for Tomcat 8.0.x after
>8.0.45
>> > 3. Make these announcements as soon as we have agreed to the
>details for
>> > #1 and #2
>>
>> Yet again I managed to respond to the sender rather than the list...
>>
>> +1, for #1 and #3 assuming that we make this 30 June 2018.
>>
>> I'm neutral on #2 since it is unlikely to be me doing the releases.
>I've
>> no objection to monthly releases if someone wants to take that on. I
>> suspect every 2 to 3 months would be sufficient.
>
>In case there are enough people that can test the releases and vote I
>can
>do the releases for example every 2 months.

I will try to test and vote.

Felix

>
>Regards,
>Violeta
>
>>
>> Mark
>>
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Re: Timescale for 8.0.x EOL

[Violeta Georgieva <vi...@apache.org>]

Hi,

2017-06-05 16:51 GMT+03:00 Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>:
>
> On 19/05/17 23:19, Christopher Schultz wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
> > My proposal, adapted from the thread before discussion ceased last
summer:
> >
> > 1. Set Tomcat 8.0.x EOL date for 31 May 2018
> > 2. Discontinue monthly release cadence for Tomcat 8.0.x after 8.0.45
> > 3. Make these announcements as soon as we have agreed to the details for
> > #1 and #2
>
> Yet again I managed to respond to the sender rather than the list...
>
> +1, for #1 and #3 assuming that we make this 30 June 2018.
>
> I'm neutral on #2 since it is unlikely to be me doing the releases. I've
> no objection to monthly releases if someone wants to take that on. I
> suspect every 2 to 3 months would be sufficient.

In case there are enough people that can test the releases and vote I can
do the releases for example every 2 months.

Regards,
Violeta

>
> Mark
>
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Re: Timescale for 8.0.x EOL

[Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>]

Le 5/06/2017 à 15:51, Mark Thomas a écrit :

> +1, for #1 and #3 assuming that we make this 30 June 2018.
> 
> I'm neutral on #2 since it is unlikely to be me doing the releases. I've
> no objection to monthly releases if someone wants to take that on. I
> suspect every 2 to 3 months would be sufficient.

On the Debian side we'll have to support Tomcat 8.0.x until April 2020
(end of Debian 8 "Jessie" LTS). Tomcat 8.0.x is also part of Ubuntu
16.04 LTS which is supported until April 2021. So if we can at least
backport the security fixes a bit longer that would be nice (I can help
with the backporting if necessary).

Emmanuel Bourg

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Re: Timescale for 8.0.x EOL

[Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>]

On 19/05/17 23:19, Christopher Schultz wrote:

<snip/>

> My proposal, adapted from the thread before discussion ceased last summer:
> 
> 1. Set Tomcat 8.0.x EOL date for 31 May 2018
> 2. Discontinue monthly release cadence for Tomcat 8.0.x after 8.0.45
> 3. Make these announcements as soon as we have agreed to the details for
> #1 and #2

Yet again I managed to respond to the sender rather than the list...

+1, for #1 and #3 assuming that we make this 30 June 2018.

I'm neutral on #2 since it is unlikely to be me doing the releases. I've
no objection to monthly releases if someone wants to take that on. I
suspect every 2 to 3 months would be sufficient.

Mark

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