RE: [PROPOSAL] "sexy" Cocoon Demo App Idea

[Geoff Howard <gh...@crosswalk.com>]

maybe that'll help.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Howard 
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:51 PM
> To: 'cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org'
> Subject: [PROPOSAL]Cocoon Demo App Idea
> 
> 
> In listening to the various discussions that have been 
> popping up regarding
> the desire to create some live demonstration sites to show cocoon's
> abilities and begin to establish some best practices examples for web
> applications using cocoon, I've been thinking a few things.  
> Bear with me, a
> practical suggestion follows.
> 
> 1) <Not the main point/>Wouldn't a killer app be to 
> demonstrate the use of
> cocoon as a better front end to an EJB based application?  
> What about taking
> an existing EJB app and showing how quickly it can be placed 
> behind cocoon?
> Cocoon gives the code reuse and flexibility on the front end 
> that EJB gives
> on the back end.  Could one use the actual Pet Store demo?
> 
> That led to the practical suggestion, which dovetails with the
> Documentation/Wiki issue, and the problem I see with the 
> unfriendly nature
> of the list for the casual/new user.  ...
> 
> 2) What about taking an existing good forums application and 
> using it as a
> cocoon datasource?  With interoperability with newsgroups and 
> email lists,
> it could tame the current list "problem".  It could be used 
> to add forums
> discussion to the bottom of the docs (not on xml.apache.org i 
> understand) ,
> enabling a user to right there for all the world to see say 
> "this makes no
> sense" or "this has changed since this was written" or "your 
> grammer is
> bad".
> 
> My suggestion would be "Jive" http://www.jivesoftware.com 
> - it's not "open source" but source code is provided
> - it's not free, but it is free for this use (if i read correctly)
> - it's good (check out the current customers - jboss and 
> sun.com among them.
> - it's more of an established concept than Wiki (no offense - 
> not trying to
> shut that down)
> - the "skins" system is not xml/xsl and they are not sold on 
> xsl because
> "it's too hard to learn, and it's slow".  Their suggestion 
> for a better
> system is (get this) the world wide industry standard: Tea.
> - although i haven't looked at the code yet, they do have xml 
> export/import
> ability (option one), and it's JSP based (option two - create an "xml"
> skin), and it's "bean" based (option 3 - marshall the beans 
> in the generator
> - i think we need better built in functionality for this any way)
> - some other good things that I can't remember right now 
> because it's almost
> midnight my time.
> 
> I can't offer to head this up because my company's being 
> bought out and i'm
> in need of a job in the next few weeks, but I can offer to 
> help (unless my
> next employer discourages open source contributions).
> 
> I have no connection with Jive software, nor do I know anyone 
> who does by
> the way.
> 
> Ain't just jive talkin', 
> Geoff Howard
> 
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Re: [PROPOSAL] "sexy" Cocoon Demo App Idea

["Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>]

>
>
>>- it's more of an established concept than Wiki (no offense - 
>>not trying to
>>shut that down)
>>    
>>

Wow...Thats amazing since Wikis trace their origins back to like 1991 or 
so, and Ward Cunningham...  There
are HUGE wikis and well I've never heard of what you're talking about... 
 Not to flame you, just get your facts straigh man.

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