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Fwd: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Weex community is currently voting on graduation to a TLP, and this is a
notification to IPMC according to graduation guidelines [1]
[1]
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
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发件人： YorkShen <ky...@apache.org>
Date: 2019年10月25日周五 下午4:45
Subject: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
To: dev <de...@weex.apache.org>
Dear all,
Apache Weex entered the Incubator on Nov, 2016. Since that, the community
has moved to ASF infratructure, grown, diversed and learned a lot about
Apache Way. Some of our achievement is list below:
- Published 6 release by 5 release manager [1]
- There are 11 PPMC members, 8 committers (excluding PPMC members) [2],
and 192 Github contributors [3]
- There are 13.1 stars [4] and 1.7k forks on our Github Repo [5], with
2274 closed PR[6] and 581 closed issues [7]
- Two IP clearance forms are submitted and accepted already [8] [9].
- All the Incubator report can be viewd in here [10], and the last
Incubator report marked Weex as nearing graduation.
There are lots of issues need to solve before we move this vote to IPMC,
like preparing graduation resolution, form Weex PMC and PMC chair, even the
website configuration mentioned before [11]. But it's better if we could
discuss those issues in other threads, IMO.
Please take a minute to vote on whether or not Apache Weex should graduate
as a Top Level Project by responding to one of the following opinions.
- [ ] +1 Apache Weex should graduate
- [ ] +0 No opinions
- [ ] -1 Apache Weex should not graduate (and why)
The vote is open for a minimum of 120 hours (considering there is a
weekend).
And I will prepare other stuffs listed above in other threads during the
voting period.
[1] https://weex.apache.org/download/download.html
[2]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WEEX/Mentor%2C+PPMCs+and+Committers
[3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/graphs/contributors
[4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/stargazers
[5] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/network/members
[6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
[7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
[8] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_cli.html
[9] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_loader.html
[10] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WEEX/Poddling+report
[11]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/23c01be05276b073877e004180faf67208cf7a6362d38147bc529748@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi YorkShen,
Weex needs to complete a Podling Name Search - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
An issue is created here - https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH
Someone on the Podling needs to do the research. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without an approved name.
Regards,
Dave
> On Oct 25, 2019, at 1:52 AM, YorkShen <ky...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Weex community is currently voting on graduation to a TLP, and this is a
> notification to IPMC according to graduation guidelines [1]
>
> [1]
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> 发件人： YorkShen <ky...@apache.org>
> Date: 2019年10月25日周五 下午4:45
> Subject: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
> To: dev <de...@weex.apache.org>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Apache Weex entered the Incubator on Nov, 2016. Since that, the community
> has moved to ASF infratructure, grown, diversed and learned a lot about
> Apache Way. Some of our achievement is list below:
>
> - Published 6 release by 5 release manager [1]
> - There are 11 PPMC members, 8 committers (excluding PPMC members) [2],
> and 192 Github contributors [3]
> - There are 13.1 stars [4] and 1.7k forks on our Github Repo [5], with
> 2274 closed PR[6] and 581 closed issues [7]
> - Two IP clearance forms are submitted and accepted already [8] [9].
> - All the Incubator report can be viewd in here [10], and the last
> Incubator report marked Weex as nearing graduation.
>
> There are lots of issues need to solve before we move this vote to IPMC,
> like preparing graduation resolution, form Weex PMC and PMC chair, even the
> website configuration mentioned before [11]. But it's better if we could
> discuss those issues in other threads, IMO.
>
> Please take a minute to vote on whether or not Apache Weex should graduate
> as a Top Level Project by responding to one of the following opinions.
>
> - [ ] +1 Apache Weex should graduate
> - [ ] +0 No opinions
> - [ ] -1 Apache Weex should not graduate (and why)
>
> The vote is open for a minimum of 120 hours (considering there is a
> weekend).
>
> And I will prepare other stuffs listed above in other threads during the
> voting period.
>
> [1] https://weex.apache.org/download/download.html
> [2]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WEEX/Mentor%2C+PPMCs+and+Committers
> [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/graphs/contributors
> [4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/stargazers
> [5] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/network/members
> [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
> [7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
> [8] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_cli.html
> [9] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_loader.html
> [10] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WEEX/Poddling+report
> [11]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/23c01be05276b073877e004180faf67208cf7a6362d38147bc529748@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi YorkShen,
Weex needs to complete a Podling Name Search - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
An issue is created here - https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH
Someone on the Podling needs to do the research. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without an approved name.
Regards,
Dave
> On Oct 25, 2019, at 1:52 AM, YorkShen <ky...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Weex community is currently voting on graduation to a TLP, and this is a
> notification to IPMC according to graduation guidelines [1]
>
> [1]
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community_graduation_vote
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> 发件人： YorkShen <ky...@apache.org>
> Date: 2019年10月25日周五 下午4:45
> Subject: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
> To: dev <de...@weex.apache.org>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Apache Weex entered the Incubator on Nov, 2016. Since that, the community
> has moved to ASF infratructure, grown, diversed and learned a lot about
> Apache Way. Some of our achievement is list below:
>
> - Published 6 release by 5 release manager [1]
> - There are 11 PPMC members, 8 committers (excluding PPMC members) [2],
> and 192 Github contributors [3]
> - There are 13.1 stars [4] and 1.7k forks on our Github Repo [5], with
> 2274 closed PR[6] and 581 closed issues [7]
> - Two IP clearance forms are submitted and accepted already [8] [9].
> - All the Incubator report can be viewd in here [10], and the last
> Incubator report marked Weex as nearing graduation.
>
> There are lots of issues need to solve before we move this vote to IPMC,
> like preparing graduation resolution, form Weex PMC and PMC chair, even the
> website configuration mentioned before [11]. But it's better if we could
> discuss those issues in other threads, IMO.
>
> Please take a minute to vote on whether or not Apache Weex should graduate
> as a Top Level Project by responding to one of the following opinions.
>
> - [ ] +1 Apache Weex should graduate
> - [ ] +0 No opinions
> - [ ] -1 Apache Weex should not graduate (and why)
>
> The vote is open for a minimum of 120 hours (considering there is a
> weekend).
>
> And I will prepare other stuffs listed above in other threads during the
> voting period.
>
> [1] https://weex.apache.org/download/download.html
> [2]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WEEX/Mentor%2C+PPMCs+and+Committers
> [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/graphs/contributors
> [4] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/stargazers
> [5] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/network/members
> [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
> [7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-weex/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
> [8] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_cli.html
> [9] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_loader.html
> [10] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WEEX/Poddling+report
> [11]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/23c01be05276b073877e004180faf67208cf7a6362d38147bc529748@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Dave and Justin.
Thanks to both of you, I‘m really appreciated your help.
Just have a nice conversation with Dave, I think Weex still needs to be in
the Incubator for some time.
I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should
> be to complete a Podling Name Search -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
>
I will do it and discuss it in another mailing list, as this list is too
long already.
At ApacheCon Shane gavse a version of this talk which also may help:
> http://shaneslides.com/fossbackstage/Who-Owns-That-FOSS-Brand.pdf
>
Thanks, Justin, this talk really taught me something, I really wish I could
read it years before.
Best Regards
York Shen
申远
Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>于2019年11月1日 周五11:28写道：
> Hi YorkShen,
>
> > On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:33 AM, 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Justin.
> >
> > After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
> > vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
> > little hurry.
> >
> > I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have
> some
> > points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
> >
> > For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see
> what I
> > can do to make things better.
>
> I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should
> be to complete a Podling Name Search -
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
>
> An issue is created here -
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH>
>
> Someone on the Podling needs to do the research which should reveal any
> conflicts. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. It may be that some
> of these issues may require discussion about brand risk. Until the research
> is complete it is hard to know.
>
> The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without the brand name being
> approved by the VP, Brand.
>
> >
> > Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
>
> These are the two. They are important. You are to be congratulated for
> overcoming the LGPL issue!
> >
> > FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
> > help.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道：
> >
> >> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> >>
> >>> FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
> >> secretary
> >>> to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
> >> entered
> >>> the Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> YorkShen
> >>>
> >>> 申远
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
> >>>
> >>>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> >>>>> company.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> >>>>> Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
> >>> to
> >>>>> "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> >>> not
> >>>>>> contributing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> >>>> whimsy.
> >>>>> For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> >>>>> committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> >>>>> course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
> >> developer
> >>>>> list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
> >> it
> >>>>> into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> >>>> [3].
> >>>>> I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
> >>>> fact.
> >>>>> But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> >>>>> fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> >>>>> 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> [3]
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> >>>>> bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> YorkShen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 申远
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> >>>>> independent
> >>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it
> >> takes
> >>>> me
> >>>>>>> months to solve this kinds of issues
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
> >>> on
> >>>>>> purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
> >> needs
> >>> to
> >>>>>> protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
> >> proposal
> >>>>> [5],
> >>>>>>> but many of them are not committers today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
> >> see
> >>>> not
> >>>>>> contributing?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> >>>>> records,
> >>>>>>> there are some mistakes on this list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This seems concerning.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
> >>>> around
> >>>>>>> Weex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
> >>> barriers
> >>>>> (if
> >>>>>> any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
> >>> project?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Justin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> --
Best Regards
York Shen
申远
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi YorkShen,
> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:33 AM, 申远 <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Justin.
>
> After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
> vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
> little hurry.
>
> I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have some
> points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
>
> For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see what I
> can do to make things better.
I replied earlier in the thread, but the response from Weex really should be to complete a Podling Name Search - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html>
An issue is created here - https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH <https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH>
Someone on the Podling needs to do the research which should reveal any conflicts. The VP, Brand will approve or ask questions. It may be that some of these issues may require discussion about brand risk. Until the research is complete it is hard to know.
The Board is unlikely to approve graduation without the brand name being approved by the VP, Brand.
>
> Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
These are the two. They are important. You are to be congratulated for overcoming the LGPL issue!
>
> FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
> help.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道：
>
>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>>
>>> FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
>> secretary
>>> to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
>> entered
>>> the Incubator.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> YorkShen
>>>
>>> 申远
>>>
>>>
>>> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
>>>
>>>> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
>>>>> company.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
>>>>> Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
>>> to
>>>>> "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
>>> not
>>>>>> contributing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
>>>> whimsy.
>>>>> For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
>>>>> committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
>>>>> course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
>> developer
>>>>> list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
>> it
>>>>> into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
>>>> [3].
>>>>> I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
>>>> fact.
>>>>> But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
>>>>> fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
>>>>> 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
>>>>> bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> YorkShen
>>>>>
>>>>> 申远
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
>>>>> independent
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it
>> takes
>>>> me
>>>>>>> months to solve this kinds of issues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
>>> on
>>>>>> purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
>> needs
>>> to
>>>>>> protect their brand in particular from their own company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
>> proposal
>>>>> [5],
>>>>>>> but many of them are not committers today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
>> see
>>>> not
>>>>>> contributing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
>>>>> records,
>>>>>>> there are some mistakes on this list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems concerning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
>>>> around
>>>>>>> Weex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
>>> barriers
>>>>> (if
>>>>>> any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
>>> project?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Justin.
After serious thinking these days, I decided to withindraw the graduation
vote. We need spend more time in Incubator, this graduation vote is a
little hurry.
I admitted your concerns about diverse and independent community have some
points, Weex still needs to impove in this apsect.
For branding part, I have some reservations about it, but I will see what I
can do to make things better.
Is there any other concerns you have about Weex towards graduation ?
FYI: Weex needs more active mentors, if possible. That would denifitely
help.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午9:20写道：
> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>
> > FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask
> secretary
> > to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex
> entered
> > the Incubator.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
> >
> > > เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> > > > company.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> > > > Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
> > to
> > > > "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> > not
> > > > > contributing?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> > > whimsy.
> > > > For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> > > > committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> > > > course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial
> developer
> > > > list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after
> it
> > > > into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> > > [3].
> > > > I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
> > > fact.
> > > > But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> > > > fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> > > > 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > > > [3]
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> > > > bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > YorkShen
> > > >
> > > > 申远
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> > > > independent
> > > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> > > > >
> > > > > For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it
> takes
> > > me
> > > > > > months to solve this kinds of issues
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
> > on
> > > > > purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC
> needs
> > to
> > > > > protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial
> proposal
> > > > [5],
> > > > > > but many of them are not committers today.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they
> see
> > > not
> > > > > contributing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> > > > records,
> > > > > > there are some mistakes on this list.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems concerning.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
> > > around
> > > > > > Weex
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
> > barriers
> > > > (if
> > > > > any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
> > project?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Justin
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com>.
เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:52 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask secretary
> to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex entered
> the Incubator.
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
>
> > เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> >
> > > >
> > > > The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> > > company.
> > >
> > >
> > > Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> > > Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name
> to
> > > "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> > >
> > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> not
> > > > contributing?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> > whimsy.
> > > For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> > > committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> > > course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial developer
> > > list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after it
> > > into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> > [3].
> > > I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
> > fact.
> > > But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> > > fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> > > [2]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> > > 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > > [3]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> > > bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > YorkShen
> > >
> > > 申远
> > >
> > >
> > > Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> > > independent
> > > > > community.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> > > >
> > > > For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it takes
> > me
> > > > > months to solve this kinds of issues
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links
> on
> > > > purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC needs
> to
> > > > protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> > > >
> > > > - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial proposal
> > > [5],
> > > > > but many of them are not committers today.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> > not
> > > > contributing?
> > > >
> > > > Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> > > records,
> > > > > there are some mistakes on this list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This seems concerning.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
> > around
> > > > > Weex
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the
> barriers
> > > (if
> > > > any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the
> project?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
FYI: If the initial committers really matter, maybe we could ask secretary
to help us find out how many individuals signed the ICLA when Weex entered
the Incubator.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午8:35写道：
> เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
>
> > >
> > > The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> > company.
> >
> >
> > Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> > Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name to
> > "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
> >
> > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see not
> > > contributing?
> > >
> >
> > No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our
> whimsy.
> > For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> > committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> > course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial developer
> > list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after it
> > into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer
> [3].
> > I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in
> fact.
> > But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> > fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> > [2]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> > 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > [3]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> > bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > YorkShen
> >
> > 申远
> >
> >
> > Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> > independent
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> > >
> > > For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it takes
> me
> > > > months to solve this kinds of issues
> > > >
> > >
> > > This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links on
> > > purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC needs to
> > > protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> > >
> > > - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial proposal
> > [5],
> > > > but many of them are not committers today.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see
> not
> > > contributing?
> > >
> > > Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> > records,
> > > > there are some mistakes on this list.
> > >
> > >
> > > This seems concerning.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools
> around
> > > > Weex
> > > >
> > >
> > > Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the barriers
> > (if
> > > any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the project?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com>.
เมื่อ 30 ต.ค. 2019 7:16 PM "申远" <sh...@gmail.com> เขียนว่า
> >
> > The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own
> company.
>
>
> Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
> Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name to
> "XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
>
> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see not
> > contributing?
> >
>
> No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our whimsy.
> For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
> committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
> course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial developer
> list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after it
> into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer [3].
> I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in fact.
> But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9ad
> fe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d1
> 7780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> [3]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1
> bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
>
> Best Regards,
> YorkShen
>
> 申远
>
>
> Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and
> independent
> > > community.
> > >
> >
> > I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
> >
> > For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it takes me
> > > months to solve this kinds of issues
> > >
> >
> > This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links on
> > purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC needs to
> > protect their brand in particular from their own company.
> >
> > - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial proposal
> [5],
> > > but many of them are not committers today.
> >
> >
> > Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see not
> > contributing?
> >
> > Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate
> records,
> > > there are some mistakes on this list.
> >
> >
> > This seems concerning.
> >
> > >
> > > - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools around
> > > Weex
> > >
> >
> > Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the barriers
> (if
> > any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the project?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
>
> The PPMC needs to protect their brand in particular from their own company.
Agree with that, and this is exactly why I am persuading project like
Weex-UI [1] donated to ASF instead of making them changing their name to
"XXX powered by Apache Weex" and then pretend there is no problem.
Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see not
> contributing?
>
No, some [2] of them are never committers of Weex according to our whimsy.
For example, the top 2 names on the initial developer list are not
committers of Weex according to whimsy and they didn't contribute, of
course. Some of other names, like me, are also on the initial developer
list, but I was actually elected as Weex committer four months after it
into incubator. There is a vote for nominating me as a Weex committer [3].
I don't know what happened here, as I am not the initial committer in fact.
But the initial developer list [2] is incorrect, I'm sure about that.
[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ab1cdf009697ac261e10c8963ed9adfe226edeee056f0c7dabb780c0@%3Cdev.weex.apache.org%3E
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d17780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[3]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8ebbd2fb5fb85c1da4328685859ae1bb365a8b6253772c9e06940a39@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com> 于2019年10月30日周三 下午7:32写道：
> Hi,
>
> It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and independent
> > community.
> >
>
> I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
>
> For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it takes me
> > months to solve this kinds of issues
> >
>
> This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links on
> purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC needs to
> protect their brand in particular from their own company.
>
> - Though there are 13 committers according to the initial proposal [5],
> > but many of them are not committers today.
>
>
> Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see not
> contributing?
>
> Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate records,
> > there are some mistakes on this list.
>
>
> This seems concerning.
>
> >
> > - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools around
> > Weex
> >
>
> Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the barriers (if
> any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the project?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and independent
> community.
>
I'd still like to hear what your mentors think. Are they active?
For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it takes me
> months to solve this kinds of issues
>
This needs to be the PPMC not just you. I chose some of those links on
purpose as they belong to the company they belong to. The PPMC needs to
protect their brand in particular from their own company.
- Though there are 13 committers according to the initial proposal [5],
> but many of them are not committers today.
Anyone on the Initial list are committers I assume you mean they see not
contributing?
Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an inacurrate records,
> there are some mistakes on this list.
This seems concerning.
>
> - There are developers out of the comany make their own tools around
> Weex
>
Which is great but they are external to the project. Whats the barriers (if
any) that stopped them from doing this development inside the project?
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
It seems like there are two concerns around Weex, branding and independent
community.
For branding part, I understand this is a serious issue, and it takes me
months to solve this kinds of issues, like donating weex-loader[1],
weex-cli [2] to ASF, upgrading POM meta [3], changing package name [4],
etc.. Again, there are over 1 million pages of Weex in Google, I can't
promosie all of them are fine(without branding issue). And due to the fact
that Weex once belongs to a company, not ASF, there are some NPM/POM
publishing records reflects that Weex once belongs to a commnay, and I
can't undo or delete that history. But we shall fix the brand issues once
we know it, maybe we could also write down a brand protection procedure.
For independent community part, I think there are two issues need to solve,
and two issues to make it clear.
- Many committers were coming from the same company, though some of them
(3 or 4, including some 2 PPMC members) have resigned from the commany. But
still to many, I guess.
- We used to ignore the difference between committers and PPMC members,
that's reason why so many new committers and so less PPMC members. We are
tyring to fix this issue by inviting all committers to Weex PMC during its
graduaiton procedure. But we could fix it in another way, if its' needed.
- Though there are 13 committers according to the initial proposal [5],
but many of them are not committers today. Even me, listed as an inital
commiter of Weex, but actually joined Weex community 4 months aftter its
into the incubator. Just take the committers on the initial proposal as an
inacurrate records, there are some mistakes on this list. Actually, if you
considered fact that Weex Joined the Incubator in Dec, 2016, there are 4
committer account created at that time [6]. So I guess the four of them are
actually the inital committers(or PPMC members), rest of them are not
(including me).
- There are developers out of the comany make their own tools around
Weex, and try to donate it to Weex. Currently, we're trying to encourage
them to go through the IP clearance procedure and then nominate them as
committer [7]. I guess this is some kinds of proof for independency, or
diverse and active community at least.
[1] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_loader.html
[2] https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/weex_cli.html
[3] https://bintray.com/weex/Android/sdk
[4] https://weex.apache.org/download/major_change.html#_0-28
[5]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d17780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[6] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/weex
[7]
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/weex-dev/201910.mbox/%3Ctencent_EA5069E21326C37D64F20CC18D885B3BAE05%40qq.com%3E
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月29日周二 下午4:04写道：
> Hi,
>
> If the project can show they are acting independently of a single company
> that would help them convince the board/IPMC they can graduate. What has
> the project done to attract developers out side of that company to work on
> the project?
>
> Are there any barriers that hinders outside involvement? e.g. off list or
> internal communication or having synchronous meetings can be an issue. (I
> don’t know this is happening on this project. These are just suggestions to
> the type of things that might hinder outside involvement.)
>
> Of the committers voted in during incubation, do all work for the same
> company? Could any be considered as candidates for PPMC membership?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
If the project can show they are acting independently of a single company that would help them convince the board/IPMC they can graduate. What has the project done to attract developers out side of that company to work on the project?
Are there any barriers that hinders outside involvement? e.g. off list or internal communication or having synchronous meetings can be an issue. (I don’t know this is happening on this project. These are just suggestions to the type of things that might hinder outside involvement.)
Of the committers voted in during incubation, do all work for the same company? Could any be considered as candidates for PPMC membership?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Justin,
Thanks for pointing out these issues. Weex has spent lot of time on
the release kit part during the incubation, but they also need to work
on growing a health community.
I will work with the Weex PPMC to figure out the solution of the
issues by filling the project maturity model.
For the branding protection, I think Weex PPMC also need to figure out
a solution at the meantime.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:23 AM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> While optional, and not a requirement for graduation, has the project considered filling out the ASF maturity model?
>
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
While optional, and not a requirement for graduation, has the project considered filling out the ASF maturity model?
https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Sorry perhaps I’m not being clear, let me try again.
The initial proposal contained 13 people (not 5). [1] The PMC currently consists of 14 people. All 13 of the initial committers/PPMC members work for the same company. One PMC member has been added a year ago [2], they seem to work for the same company.
It’s is a little difficult to match the initial list and the PPMC list but I can see most of the names (and looking a little deeper at the legal names) do match. Do all current PPMC work for the some company? Perhaps a couple have changed jobs since the initial proposal? While I cannot speak for the board, I think they would be unlikely to allow a project with this PMC composition (i.e all of the PMC working for a single company) to become a TLP. If I’m mistaken or missing something here please correct me.
I also believe the trademark/branding issues (even if fixed) show that this project is not ready to graduate. What actions are the (P)PMC going to take to protect their brand going forward?
I would like to hear from the mentors and see what they have to say as they are more familiar and closer to this project than I am.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b53537fea384f1d75c9921f71e13d17780381504cff971e5f18bda96@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
2. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/76877f42a9c960bf2f56e6c022e60050441c7f2b1b4dac42695f2a18@%3Cprivate.weex.apache.org%3E
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
>
> 1. I’m a little confused the email says " 11 PPMC members, 8 committers”,
> 11+8 == 19 where have the extras come from? (3 mentors?)
Yes, three of them are mentors.
2. You also didn’t answer how many PMC members you have added during
> incubation.
According to the whimsy page of Weex, there are 5 committers' account
created at the day of Weex donated to ASF, so, I guess we added
21-3(mentors)-5 = 13 committers(including PPMC)
3. I also notice 2 of your PPMC are not signed up to your price list is it
> expected that these be on the initial list of PMC members
They are initial committer/PPMC of Weex, and I can't get in touched for a
long time(over a year). Based on "merit doesn't expire" rule, I think we'd
better keep them as they are.
4. I see by you reply some work needs to be done here and I suggest you
> also read those branding and trademark links.
Most of them are fine, but there is some work to be done. I guess one week
would be enough. I can't guarantee all pages in the WWW(things you can
google) doesn't violate the brand of ASF, as there are over 1 million pages
of Weex in Google search. But I could check top 20 or 30 pages of Google
search to make sure they doesn't violate the brand of ASF, and we will try
to solve any problems that reported to Weex PPMC.
Best Regards,
YorkShen
申远
Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月28日周一 下午5:31写道：
> Hi,
>
> > I also notice 2 of your PPMC are not signed up to your price list is it
> expected that these be on the initial list of PMC members?
>
> Thanks autocorrect :-) I meant to say “are not signed up to your private
> list”.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> I also notice 2 of your PPMC are not signed up to your price list is it expected that these be on the initial list of PMC members?
Thanks autocorrect :-) I meant to say “are not signed up to your private list”.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> According to whismy page of Weex, there are 23 committer(including PPMC
> member) of Weex.
I’m a little confused the email says " 11 PPMC members, 8 committers”, 11+8 == 19 where have the extras come from? (3 mentors?)
You also didn’t answer how many PMC members you have added during incubation
I also notice 2 of your PPMC are not signed up to your price list is it expected that these be on the initial list of PMC members?
> Considering the fact that there are around 200
> contributors, 10% of them are committers, I think this is a normal
> situation(maybe other projects have higher percent of committers?), IMO.
>
> A quick search showed that there is also some branding/trademark issues
>> with these pages:
>>
>
> I can explain them one by, if this is needed.
The project needs to go those these one by one (and the other links not mentioned) and decide:
1. Would users be confused by this page? Would they think it is related or part of the Apache Weex project?
2. Are they using the Weex branding correctly? If not what needs to be done to fix this?
I see by you reply some work needs to be done here and I suggest you also read those branding and trademark links.
As this point I don’t think the project is ready to graduate, what do the mentors think?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by 申远 <sh...@gmail.com>.
>
> How many PMC members and committer have been added since starting
> graduation?
>
According to whismy page of Weex, there are 23 committer(including PPMC
member) of Weex. Considering the fact that there are around 200
contributors, 10% of them are committers, I think this is a normal
situation(maybe other projects have higher percent of committers?), IMO.
A quick search showed that there is also some branding/trademark issues
> with these pages:
>
I can explain them one by, if this is needed.
- https://github.com/weexteam This Github organization is created before
Weex donation, and as you can see, most of the projects in this
organization is archived, which means they are no longer maintained by the
original authors, and the rest of them have proper name. I can delete this
organization (After some negotiation, I am admin of the organization now)
if it's needed. But someone else we don't know may create it again without
our control.
- https://developer.alibabacloud.com/opensource/project/weex This is a
just introduction page of Weex in someone else's server, I don't see
anything violate the brand of ASF. And a URL contained weex in a
third-party server is not a problem(also far more beyond our control), IMO.
- https://www.npmjs.com/package/weex-ui The author of the repo agree to
donate [2] it to ASF, and I'm helping them in IP clearance procdure.
- https://cocoapods.org/pods/WeexSDK *I agree with you*, there are some
branding problems in this page, I will see what I can do.
- https://bintray.com/alibabaweex/maven/weex_sdk/view This is the pom
artificat of Weex before , and we're using a new address now [3]. I can add
some exlanplation to address, but I can't change what is published.
- https://natjs.com/#/ Another third-party project, and I don't see any
problem here. Its name has nothing to do with Weex, and its introduction
page "A powerful kit for adding native functionalities to your weex app."
is fine to me, IMO.
- https://github.com/natjs/nat Same above.
- https://github.com/tralves/weex-todo-list Another third-party project,
Its name has nothing to do with Weex, and its introduction page "A demo
to-do list app, powered by Weex and Vue." is fine to me, IMO.
- http://dotwe.org/vue We have marked it as third party in our website.
[1] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/weex
[2]
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/weex-dev/201910.mbox/%3Ctencent_52455495A38322341536DC76283B69A47607%40qq.com%3E
[3] https://bintray.com/weex/Android/sdk
[4] https://weex.apache.org/tools/dotwe.html
Best Regards,
YorkShen
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Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> 于2019年10月26日周六 上午1:16写道：
> Hi,
>
> > - There are 11 PPMC members, 8 committers (excluding PPMC members) [2],
> > and 192 Github contributors [3]
>
> How many PMC members and committer have been added since starting
> graduation?
>
> Having 200 odd contributors and only 8 committers seems like it could be
> an issue to me.
>
> Name wise these may be issues:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mx.weex.ss&hl=en_US
> https://apkpure.com/weex-wallet/mx.weex.appwallet
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weex/id1036040019
> http://weex.mx
>
> A quick search showed that there is also some branding/trademark issues
> with these pages:
> https://github.com/weexteam
> https://developer.alibabacloud.com/opensource/project/weex
> https://www.npmjs.com/package/weex-ui
> https://cocoapods.org/pods/WeexSDK
> https://bintray.com/alibabaweex/maven/weex_sdk/view
> https://natjs.com/#/
> https://github.com/natjs/nat
> https://github.com/tralves/weex-todo-list
> http://dotwe.org/
> (and others!)
>
> Until we have seen the actual proposal there may be other issues. For
> instance we would need to know the makeup of the new PMC.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by ซ่อยค่อย ลืมเขาแน่ <09...@gmail.com>.
เมื่อ 28 ต.ค. 2019 2:42 PM "Justin Mclean" <ju...@classsoftware.com>
เขียนว่า
> Hi,
>
> > How can third party web sites be a "branding/trademark issue" for an
> > Apache project?
>
> (P)PMC members are responsible for the project brands and that includes
> making sure that 3rd parties use that brands and trademarks correctly.
>
> I suggest you read https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources.
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/guide
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
>
> At ApacheCon Shane gavse a version of this talk which also may help:
> http://shaneslides.com/fossbackstage/Who-Owns-That-FOSS-Brand.pdf
>
> (There was an updated version of this given at Apache EU last week)
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> How can third party web sites be a "branding/trademark issue" for an
> Apache project?
(P)PMC members are responsible for the project brands and that includes making sure that 3rd parties use that brands and trademarks correctly.
I suggest you read https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources.
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/guide
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/
At ApacheCon Shane gavse a version of this talk which also may help:
http://shaneslides.com/fossbackstage/Who-Owns-That-FOSS-Brand.pdf
(There was an updated version of this given at Apache EU last week)
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Jan Piotrowski <pi...@gmail.com>.
> A quick search showed that there is also some branding/trademark issues with these pages:
> [...]
How can third party web sites be a "branding/trademark issue" for an
Apache project?
Am Fr., 25. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb Justin Mclean
<ju...@classsoftware.com>:
>
> Hi,
>
> > - There are 11 PPMC members, 8 committers (excluding PPMC members) [2],
> > and 192 Github contributors [3]
>
> How many PMC members and committer have been added since starting graduation?
>
> Having 200 odd contributors and only 8 committers seems like it could be an issue to me.
>
> Name wise these may be issues:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mx.weex.ss&hl=en_US
> https://apkpure.com/weex-wallet/mx.weex.appwallet
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weex/id1036040019
> http://weex.mx
>
> A quick search showed that there is also some branding/trademark issues with these pages:
> https://github.com/weexteam
> https://developer.alibabacloud.com/opensource/project/weex
> https://www.npmjs.com/package/weex-ui
> https://cocoapods.org/pods/WeexSDK
> https://bintray.com/alibabaweex/maven/weex_sdk/view
> https://natjs.com/#/
> https://github.com/natjs/nat
> https://github.com/tralves/weex-todo-list
> http://dotwe.org/
> (and others!)
>
> Until we have seen the actual proposal there may be other issues. For instance we would need to know the makeup of the new PMC.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by ju...@classsoftware.com.
Hi,
> How many PMC members and committer have been added since starting graduation?
Sorry since starting incubation I meant to say. I can see you had some committers but no PPMC members?
Thanks,
Justin
Re: [VOTE] Graudate Apache Weex (Incubating) as a Top Level Project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> - There are 11 PPMC members, 8 committers (excluding PPMC members) [2],
> and 192 Github contributors [3]
How many PMC members and committer have been added since starting graduation?
Having 200 odd contributors and only 8 committers seems like it could be an issue to me.
Name wise these may be issues:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mx.weex.ss&hl=en_US
https://apkpure.com/weex-wallet/mx.weex.appwallet
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weex/id1036040019
http://weex.mx
A quick search showed that there is also some branding/trademark issues with these pages:
https://github.com/weexteam
https://developer.alibabacloud.com/opensource/project/weex
https://www.npmjs.com/package/weex-ui
https://cocoapods.org/pods/WeexSDK
https://bintray.com/alibabaweex/maven/weex_sdk/view
https://natjs.com/#/
https://github.com/natjs/nat
https://github.com/tralves/weex-todo-list
http://dotwe.org/
(and others!)
Until we have seen the actual proposal there may be other issues. For instance we would need to know the makeup of the new PMC.
Thanks,
Justin
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