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Posted to dev@trafficserver.apache.org by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> on 2018/07/26 19:58:52 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Hi all,
I’d like to mark the log collation feature as deprecated for the v8.0.0 release, such that we can remove it from v9.0.0. I have a number of reasons for this
1) It’s generally really broken. For example, the orphaned logs files are not handled in any reasonable way, making the feature IMO unusable.
2) No one has stepped up to the plate to fix anything other than the critical issues discovered (such as Peter’s memory leak fix).
3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
If you have objections to this, expect to have to do some serious work on this code base, because as I see it, it’s not up to the quality we expect from ATS.
Cheers,
— Leif
Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org>.
+1
-Bryan
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 12:05 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Alan Carroll <so...@oath.com.INVALID> wrote:
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>> +1
>>
>
> Not a lot of input here, but since no one has objected to this, I will make a PR with this deprecation. Functionality will be retained for the lifetime of the v8.0.0 LTS release.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Alan Carroll <so...@oath.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> +1
>
Not a lot of input here, but since no one has objected to this, I will make a PR with this deprecation. Functionality will be retained for the lifetime of the v8.0.0 LTS release.
Cheers,
— Leif
Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Alan Carroll <so...@oath.com.INVALID>.
+1
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:06 PM Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Derek Dagit <de...@oath.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good.
> >
> >> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should
> solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic
> Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
> >
> > Would we offer a recommendation along these lines during while the
> > feature is present but deprecated?
>
>
> This is not quite my area of expertise, but I can certainly put something
> on those lines into the note marking it as Deprecated. I know Phil has
> looked at various log collection / ingestion tools, so I’ll force him to
> help out.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
>
>
--
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Derek Dagit <de...@oath.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Sounds good.
>
>> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
>
> Would we offer a recommendation along these lines during while the
> feature is present but deprecated?
This is not quite my area of expertise, but I can certainly put something on those lines into the note marking it as Deprecated. I know Phil has looked at various log collection / ingestion tools, so I’ll force him to help out.
Cheers,
— Leif
Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:05 PM, Derek Dagit <de...@oath.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Sounds good.
>
>> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
>
> Would we offer a recommendation along these lines during while the
> feature is present but deprecated?
This is not quite my area of expertise, but I can certainly put something on those lines into the note marking it as Deprecated. I know Phil has looked at various log collection / ingestion tools, so I’ll force him to help out.
Cheers,
— Leif
Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Derek Dagit <de...@oath.com.INVALID>.
Sounds good.
> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
Would we offer a recommendation along these lines during while the
feature is present but deprecated?
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to mark the log collation feature as deprecated for the v8.0.0 release, such that we can remove it from v9.0.0. I have a number of reasons for this
>
> 1) It’s generally really broken. For example, the orphaned logs files are not handled in any reasonable way, making the feature IMO unusable.
>
> 2) No one has stepped up to the plate to fix anything other than the critical issues discovered (such as Peter’s memory leak fix).
>
> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
>
>
> If you have objections to this, expect to have to do some serious work on this code base, because as I see it, it’s not up to the quality we expect from ATS.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
>
--
Derek
Re: [PROPOSAL] Mark log collation as deprecated for v8.0.0
Posted by Derek Dagit <de...@oath.com>.
Sounds good.
> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
Would we offer a recommendation along these lines during while the
feature is present but deprecated?
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to mark the log collation feature as deprecated for the v8.0.0 release, such that we can remove it from v9.0.0. I have a number of reasons for this
>
> 1) It’s generally really broken. For example, the orphaned logs files are not handled in any reasonable way, making the feature IMO unusable.
>
> 2) No one has stepped up to the plate to fix anything other than the critical issues discovered (such as Peter’s memory leak fix).
>
> 3) Perhaps most importantly, this is not a problem that ATS should solve iMO. There are much better systems out there, such as Kafka, Elastic Search, Splunk etc., all which solves this problem in a much better way.
>
>
> If you have objections to this, expect to have to do some serious work on this code base, because as I see it, it’s not up to the quality we expect from ATS.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
>
--
Derek