Re: [SUBMIT] file set cullers

[David Rees <d....@usa.net>]

Hi Peter,

I would like revisit this for  Ant1. I think there is enough
demonstrated user need that it makes sense for Ant1. There must be a
post every week asking for file attribute based FileSets.

I think that the Culler XML api is structured enough that if we come
up with a different API for Ant2 that a XSLT will be easy to write.

And, I would like to get it out sooner so that we have feedback for
Ant2.

dave

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:48:18 -0800, David Rees wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:50:34 +1000, Peter Donald wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Sorry for not getting back to you earlier.
>>
>>At 08:39  23/3/01 -0800, David Rees wrote:
>>>Attached is my second cut at the culler functionality I mentioned
>>>last week. It doesn't include HTML docs yet because I think text will
>>>be easier to discuss. If you agree to the submission I can submit the
>>>docs pretty quickly.
>>>
>>>As before, my thoughts for how this "should" be done in Ant2 will be
>>>in different post (later).
>>
>>I just had a look at it and were wondering if you would consider waiting
>>for ant2.0 to roll around. The reason is that I am reluctent to add
>>anything new to ant1.x that we are not keeping in ant2. It is going to be
>>hard enough for our users without this. What do you think ?
>>
>
>I had hoped that they would end up in Ant2 as well ;). The definition
>of Culler is basic enough that I think it will survive pretty easily.
>I am not really waiting on it for anything however.
>
>Actually, what is the time frame for Ant2?
>
>d

Re: [SUBMIT] file set cullers

[Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
To: <an...@jakarta.apache.org>
Cc: <an...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SUBMIT] file set cullers


> At 02:56  1/4/01 -0700, David Rees wrote:
> >Hi Peter,
> >
> >I would like revisit this for  Ant1. I think there is enough
> >demonstrated user need that it makes sense for Ant1. There must be a
> >post every week asking for file attribute based FileSets.
> >
> >I think that the Culler XML api is structured enough that if we come
> >up with a different API for Ant2 that a XSLT will be easy to write.
> >
> >And, I would like to get it out sooner so that we have feedback for
> >Ant2.
>
> What does everyone else think? I like the concept of cullers but I am 90%
> sure it will be altered in Ant2.x - the question is do we apply it in
> ant1.x. Votes?


Arguments in favour
+solves existing user needs
+getting it out early lets us refine it faster

counter arguments
-it is quite a big concept change...complex testing, documentation etc.
-we dont want things to go into ant 1.4 up that wont make it into ant 2.0

Now although the ability to specify sets of files by attributes is going to
have to be in ant 2, the exact mechanism which it does so isnt
defined/agreed on yet. And while XSLT can change syntax, we can't deal with
semantics so easily.

What worries me is if cullers let you specify filesets in a way that wont be
possible in ant 2.0 or some other concept that we have to break drastically
when rolling versions then there will be trouble.

but if that isnt the case, and we have the documentation and the test cases
to really stress it exist, then it would be worthwhile doing to get early
feedback on the concept.

So I'm +-0 ...an undecided.

Re: [SUBMIT] file set cullers

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>]

Peter Donald <do...@apache.org> wrote:

> What does everyone else think? I like the concept of cullers but I
> am 90% sure it will be altered in Ant2.x - the question is do we
> apply it in ant1.x. Votes?

Still need some time to actually review it, sorry. Cannot vote
anything else but +0 until then.

Stefan

Re: [SUBMIT] file set cullers

[Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>]

At 02:56  1/4/01 -0700, David Rees wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
>I would like revisit this for  Ant1. I think there is enough
>demonstrated user need that it makes sense for Ant1. There must be a
>post every week asking for file attribute based FileSets.
>
>I think that the Culler XML api is structured enough that if we come
>up with a different API for Ant2 that a XSLT will be easy to write.
>
>And, I would like to get it out sooner so that we have feedback for
>Ant2.

What does everyone else think? I like the concept of cullers but I am 90%
sure it will be altered in Ant2.x - the question is do we apply it in
ant1.x. Votes?

Cheers,

Pete

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