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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com> on 2012/07/07 10:39:47 UTC
'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my shared
filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
Jacques
Re: 'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@gmail.com>
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> You are certainly right and I agree with your point. But this should not be a way for committers to escape their
>> responsabilities.
>>
>> I think the truth is in the middle. I think that that some committers are not doing their (volunteers) job for too long. I see
>> that
>> few contributors are doing much than most committers. Some contributions are really good and fix neglected issues being there for
>> long. So this situation put the burden on the shoulders of few committers. Some begin to loose the faith (ie less activity) and
>> if
>> this situation continues the project will loose its momentum. Also this situation does not help preventing what you are
>> stigmatizing...
>>
>> Being a committer means some responsability. http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-responsibilities
>> It's easy to check http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fofbiz
>> I don't think the list of committers https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers
>> is
>> in stone...
>
> In fact it isn't... but at the moment the fact that there are dormant committers doesn't worry me much: we can't enforce people to
> work for the community and so this is out of our control.
> Revoking commit rights could be considered as a cleanup task but as a very low priority: inactive committers are not doing any
> harm and having them in at least adds some possibility for a comeback.
> The real problem is finding capable new committers and we all know it is not easy; the proposal I have in mind (I will send it in
> a separate email) may help in lowering the entry bar by asking (new or old) committers to limit their commits to specific areas of
> the project.
I agree, new *active* committers is the real issue. So committers are commiter for life :o) (I refer to
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_Dictator_for_Life)
Jacques
> Jacopo
>
>>
>> I want to remind here that it's the PMC responsability to propose active and effective contributors to become committers.
>>
>> Note that I'm only concerned by the project good health, nothing else.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> Interesting report... but there are chances that the way I read it is different from yours: this report tells me that we have
>>> introduced too many bugs or bad designs in the system and that a more careful commit strategy with shared reviews and
>>> discussions
>>> about best ways to fix things (rather than accepting the patches as they are contributed) would decrease, in the medium term,
>>> the
>>> distance.
>>> We also need to mark as won't fix several tickets that are either incomplete or address too specific use cases (without really
>>> improving the system as a whole).
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> This one should work for everyone, even not Jira logged in
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12321573&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>> Hmmm.. I can't see the filter
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my
>>>>>> shared filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: 'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 7, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> You are certainly right and I agree with your point. But this should not be a way for committers to escape their responsabilities.
>
> I think the truth is in the middle. I think that that some committers are not doing their (volunteers) job for too long. I see that
> few contributors are doing much than most committers. Some contributions are really good and fix neglected issues being there for
> long. So this situation put the burden on the shoulders of few committers. Some begin to loose the faith (ie less activity) and if
> this situation continues the project will loose its momentum. Also this situation does not help preventing what you are
> stigmatizing...
>
> Being a committer means some responsability. http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-responsibilities
> It's easy to check http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fofbiz
> I don't think the list of committers https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers is
> in stone...
In fact it isn't... but at the moment the fact that there are dormant committers doesn't worry me much: we can't enforce people to work for the community and so this is out of our control.
Revoking commit rights could be considered as a cleanup task but as a very low priority: inactive committers are not doing any harm and having them in at least adds some possibility for a comeback.
The real problem is finding capable new committers and we all know it is not easy; the proposal I have in mind (I will send it in a separate email) may help in lowering the entry bar by asking (new or old) committers to limit their commits to specific areas of the project.
Jacopo
>
> I want to remind here that it's the PMC responsability to propose active and effective contributors to become committers.
>
> Note that I'm only concerned by the project good health, nothing else.
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> Interesting report... but there are chances that the way I read it is different from yours: this report tells me that we have
>> introduced too many bugs or bad designs in the system and that a more careful commit strategy with shared reviews and discussions
>> about best ways to fix things (rather than accepting the patches as they are contributed) would decrease, in the medium term, the
>> distance.
>> We also need to mark as won't fix several tickets that are either incomplete or address too specific use cases (without really
>> improving the system as a whole).
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> This one should work for everyone, even not Jira logged in
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12321573&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>> Hmmm.. I can't see the filter
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my
>>>>> shared filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>>>>
>>>>> Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: 'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
You are certainly right and I agree with your point. But this should not be a way for committers to escape their responsabilities.
I think the truth is in the middle. I think that that some committers are not doing their (volunteers) job for too long. I see that
few contributors are doing much than most committers. Some contributions are really good and fix neglected issues being there for
long. So this situation put the burden on the shoulders of few committers. Some begin to loose the faith (ie less activity) and if
this situation continues the project will loose its momentum. Also this situation does not help preventing what you are
stigmatizing...
Being a committer means some responsability. http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-responsibilities
It's easy to check http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?path=%2Fofbiz
I don't think the list of committers https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Apache+OFBiz+PMC+Members+and+Committers is
in stone...
I want to remind here that it's the PMC responsability to propose active and effective contributors to become committers.
Note that I'm only concerned by the project good health, nothing else.
Jacques
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Interesting report... but there are chances that the way I read it is different from yours: this report tells me that we have
> introduced too many bugs or bad designs in the system and that a more careful commit strategy with shared reviews and discussions
> about best ways to fix things (rather than accepting the patches as they are contributed) would decrease, in the medium term, the
> distance.
> We also need to mark as won't fix several tickets that are either incomplete or address too specific use cases (without really
> improving the system as a whole).
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> This one should work for everyone, even not Jira logged in
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12321573&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> Hmmm.. I can't see the filter
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my
>>>> shared filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>>>
>>>> Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>
>
>
Re: 'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Interesting report... but there are chances that the way I read it is different from yours: this report tells me that we have introduced too many bugs or bad designs in the system and that a more careful commit strategy with shared reviews and discussions about best ways to fix things (rather than accepting the patches as they are contributed) would decrease, in the medium term, the distance.
We also need to mark as won't fix several tickets that are either incomplete or address too specific use cases (without really improving the system as a whole).
Jacopo
On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> This one should work for everyone, even not Jira logged in
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12321573&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> Hmmm.. I can't see the filter
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my shared filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>>
>>> Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>
Re: 'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
This one should work for everyone, even not Jira logged in
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12321573&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
Jacques
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Hmmm.. I can't see the filter
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my shared
>> filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>>
>> Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
>>
>> Jacques
>
>
Re: 'Created vs Resolved Issues' report
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Hmmm.. I can't see the filter
Jacopo
On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> I don't know if other committersd follow this indicator. Personally it begins to worry me a bit. It's based on one off my shared filter ("OFBiz All"), I guess everybody with a Jira profile should get the resut
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa?projectOrFilterId=filter-12311047&periodName=daily&daysprevious=90&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major&selectedProjectId=12310500&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.reports%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&Next=Next
>
> Last big effort was done by Jacopo in Dec., since then it keeps increasing...
>
> Jacques