RE: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta)

[Glen Stampoultzis <tr...@iprimus.com.au>]

At 06:43 PM 20/10/2002 +0100, you wrote:


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:acoliver@apache.org]
> > Sent: 20 October 2002 18:32
> > To: 'Jakarta General List'
> > Subject: Re: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins
> > Jakarta)
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta
> > > > marketing.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the information! You know what I like about you? It is
>the
> > > faith that you have in yourself and in the fact that you know it
>all...
> > >
> > I'm sorry to have insulted you.  I was only trying to help.  Based on
> > what you said, the observations I'd had from where I work and what I'd
> > observed.  If my observations were incorrect I apologize.
>
>Hey, your observations may be right and I appreciate your help! ;-)
>
>My strong reaction was probably due more to the tone of your email.
>Saying to someone: "you have failed to provide ..." is not a very nice
>thing to say. Saying, "maybe you should try to work more on the
>marketing side" is softer! :-). My turn to apologize if my reaction was
>too strong ;-)
>
>Ok I want to be positive and try to see if there's anything I can do to
>improve the overall Cactus community. You say Cactus might be missing
>some marketing muscles. I would like to believe that. From the
>information in my email do you still think there's more the Cactus team
>could do?
>
>You said the persons in your team were pondering about using Cactus.
>That means they already know about it. So marketing is good! Maybe
>documentation need to be improved?
>
>FYI, we have actually started working on the Cactus front-end (Maven
>plugin, Eclipse plugin, standalone testing application, Ant tasks, etc)
>which should make it easier to use (this was one weak-point noted by the
>users - the entry barrier).
>
>Thanks
>-Vincent

Well I can tell you Andy has always been pretty pushy (I mean assertive :) 
about getting people to contribute fixes to their own problems.   I think 
this attitude has led people be become more active than they otherwise 
would have been.  The fact that he's always talking his head off (I mean 
discussing:) stuff on various lists probably goes a long way to advertising 
his produce.  In addition to that each news worthy event tends to be 
advertised at various places. (freemeat, javalobby etc).

It would be great to have a marketing guide somewhere on the site.

Regards,

Glen (the quiet POI committer).





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RE: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta)

["Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>]

LOL...  oh yes I forgot to note "announce the crap out of everything"
;-)

Andy "the assertive pushy talkative poi committer who doesn't eat
cheese"

> 
> Well I can tell you Andy has always been pretty pushy (I mean assertive :) 
> about getting people to contribute fixes to their own problems.   I think 
> this attitude has led people be become more active than they otherwise 
> would have been.  The fact that he's always talking his head off (I mean 
> discussing:) stuff on various lists probably goes a long way to advertising 
> his produce.  In addition to that each news worthy event tends to be 
> advertised at various places. (freemeat, javalobby etc).
> 
> It would be great to have a marketing guide somewhere on the site.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Glen (the quiet POI committer).
> 
> 
> 
> 
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