Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

So how do we retire a project?

My checklist so far is:

* move Agila to the Retired section of the Incubator site,
* inform -dev/-user mailing lists (earlier than the rest)
* ask that the mailing lists be shutdown,
* update the wiki,
* update the website,
* move the JIRA project to a Retired category(?), (what if Bugzilla?)
* make the SVN read-only,
* what else?

Hen

On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds good. I concur. Can I change the site? Do we change the SVN
> karma? *bounces up and down* Can I? Can I?
>
> On 11/6/06, Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm not sure.  Since the Jakarta PMC, which is the sponsoring PMC, has
> > voted to retire Agila, I don't think the Incubator PMC needs an
> > explicit voice, only a note that we concur...
> >
> > Yoav
> >
> > On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone know what the status is for retiring the Agila podling?
> > >
> > > Do we need to vote? Does the website just need updating?
> > >
> > > Hen
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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[J Aaron Farr <fa...@apache.org>]

On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So how do we retire a project?
>
> My checklist so far is:
>
> * move Agila to the Retired section of the Incubator site,
> * inform -dev/-user mailing lists (earlier than the rest)
> * ask that the mailing lists be shutdown,
> * update the wiki,
> * update the website,
> * move the JIRA project to a Retired category(?), (what if Bugzilla?)
> * make the SVN read-only,
> * what else?

That's essentially how it worked for Avalon too.  Though in that case,
some of the code was also transferred to Excalibur first.

The only issue I have with "retired" projects is that it's not the
code that is retired, it's the community.  The message we should be
sending is "Hey, we don't have any active committers on this project.
You're still free to use it, but you're on your own.  Anyone who
really wants to revive the project can fork it or drum up support
through the incubator again."

-- 
  jaaron

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

On 1/3/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/3/07, Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> > On 1/2/07, Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net> wrote:
> > > lucene4c-commits does still exist, as do the rest of the lists for
> > > lucene4c, for that matter.  I'd like to get rid of them though, so a
> > > consensus on where commits for those areas in svn should go would be
> > > nice to have.
> >
> > cvs@incubator.apache.org?  (That'd probably be where it'd end up
> > anyway if you remove the rule for lucene4c-commits in the mailer
> > config...)  -- justin
>
> It's handled by a glob, so we actually have to add rules for deceased projects.
>
> Having slept on it, I favour:
>
> * Remove entries from asf-authorization. Making it PMC rw and forcing
> the PMC to be aware when a community starts again.
> * Adding rules to asf-mailer to send the email to cvs@ - noisy in that
> file over time, but easy to overturn.
>
> Any opposed?

The Lazy Ayes have it. I'll update the doc.

Hen

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

On 1/3/07, Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> On 1/2/07, Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net> wrote:
> > lucene4c-commits does still exist, as do the rest of the lists for
> > lucene4c, for that matter.  I'd like to get rid of them though, so a
> > consensus on where commits for those areas in svn should go would be
> > nice to have.
>
> cvs@incubator.apache.org?  (That'd probably be where it'd end up
> anyway if you remove the rule for lucene4c-commits in the mailer
> config...)  -- justin

It's handled by a glob, so we actually have to add rules for deceased projects.

Having slept on it, I favour:

* Remove entries from asf-authorization. Making it PMC rw and forcing
the PMC to be aware when a community starts again.
* Adding rules to asf-mailer to send the email to cvs@ - noisy in that
file over time, but easy to overturn.

Any opposed?

Hen

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>]

On 1/2/07, Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net> wrote:
> lucene4c-commits does still exist, as do the rest of the lists for
> lucene4c, for that matter.  I'd like to get rid of them though, so a
> consensus on where commits for those areas in svn should go would be
> nice to have.

cvs@incubator.apache.org?  (That'd probably be where it'd end up
anyway if you remove the rule for lucene4c-commits in the mailer
config...)  -- justin

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>]

On 1/2/07, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agila's now on step 8 of http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RetiringPodlings .
>
> Previous shutdown podlings have had different solutions:
>
> Axion  - No issue, source didn't arrive.
> Depot - Made read only. Emails will still goto
> depot-commits@incubator.apache.org.
> Lucene4c - Remains read/write. Emails will still goto
> lucene4c-commits@incubator.apache.org.
>
> What should the correct solution be?
>
> For emails - I'm not sure if depot-commits and lucene4c-commits still
> exist or not. If commits happened, I imagine the emails should be
> going to general@incubator, so possibly a sym link on the mail server
> can easily do that.

lucene4c-commits does still exist, as do the rest of the lists for
lucene4c, for that matter.  I'd like to get rid of them though, so a
consensus on where commits for those areas in svn should go would be
nice to have.

> Both depot and lucene4c kept their svn groups. Should these be removed?
> Should the svn be r or rw, or should it just be removed and
> automatically go over to incubator-pmc rw?

ENOCARE, so long as the commit mails go someplace.

-garrett

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Dave Roberts - Commiter Access

[Rana Bhattacharyya <ra...@yahoo.com>]

Hi,

  We would like to propose Dave Roberts as a commiter
for FtpServer. We have gone through the usual voting
process. This is the result:

Rana Bhattacharyya  +1
Niklas Gustavsson   +1
Sergey Vladimirov   +1
Paul Hammant        [no reply]

Name: Dave Roberts
Email: dave.roberts@saaconsultants.com
Project: FtpServer

Please give him the commit access. He has already
contributed many quality patches.

Thanks,
Rana Bhattacharyya

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Dave Roberts - Commiter Access

[Rana Bhattacharyya <ra...@yahoo.com>]

Hi,

  We would like to propose Dave Roberts as a commiter
for FtpServer. We have gone through the usual voting
process. This is the result:

Rana Bhattacharyya  +1
Niklas Gustavsson   +1
Sergey Vladimirov   +1
Paul Hammant        [no reply]

Name: Dave Roberts
Email: dave.roberts@saaconsultants.com
Project: FtpServer

Please give him the commit access. He has already
contributed many quality patches.

Thanks,
Rana Bhattacharyya

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>]

Agila's now on step 8 of http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RetiringPodlings .

Previous shutdown podlings have had different solutions:

Axion  - No issue, source didn't arrive.
Depot - Made read only. Emails will still goto
depot-commits@incubator.apache.org.
Lucene4c - Remains read/write. Emails will still goto
lucene4c-commits@incubator.apache.org.

What should the correct solution be?

For emails - I'm not sure if depot-commits and lucene4c-commits still
exist or not. If commits happened, I imagine the emails should be
going to general@incubator, so possibly a sym link on the mail server
can easily do that.

Both depot and lucene4c kept their svn groups. Should these be removed?
Should the svn be r or rw, or should it just be removed and
automatically go over to incubator-pmc rw?

Hen

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>]

On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So how do we retire a project?
>
> My checklist so far is:
>
> * move Agila to the Retired section of the Incubator site,
> * inform -dev/-user mailing lists (earlier than the rest)
> * ask that the mailing lists be shutdown,
> * update the wiki,
> * update the website,
> * move the JIRA project to a Retired category(?), (what if Bugzilla?)
> * make the SVN read-only,
> * what else?

That sounds about right.  I did most of that for Lucene4c, only thing
missing is the JIRA and mailing list bits.

-garrett

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Re: Retiring a project [Was: Retiring Agila?]

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Henri Yandell wrote:
> So how do we retire a project?
> 
> My checklist so far is:
> 
> * move Agila to the Retired section of the Incubator site,
> * inform -dev/-user mailing lists (earlier than the rest)
> * ask that the mailing lists be shutdown,
> * update the wiki,
> * update the website,
> * move the JIRA project to a Retired category(?), (what if Bugzilla?)
> * make the SVN read-only,
> * what else?

Update the status page at:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/agila.html

-David

> On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Sounds good. I concur. Can I change the site? Do we change the SVN
> >karma? *bounces up and down* Can I? Can I?
> >
> >On 11/6/06, Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I'm not sure.  Since the Jakarta PMC, which is the sponsoring PMC, has
> >> voted to retire Agila, I don't think the Incubator PMC needs an
> >> explicit voice, only a note that we concur...
> >>
> >> Yoav
> >>
> >> On 11/6/06, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Anyone know what the status is for retiring the Agila podling?
> >> >
> >> > Do we need to vote? Does the website just need updating?
> >> >
> >> > Hen

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