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Posted to taglibs-user@tomcat.apache.org by Patrick Heck <PH...@camsys.com> on 2005/05/05 16:23:18 UTC
Re: License conundrum
I sent this question several days ago, about licensing... would this be
better addressed to a dev list? I know that many Sun Jars are distributed
with a license that allows redistribution with a product, but I want to be
sure. Should I enter the lack of license documentation as a bug?
-Gus
Patrick G. Heck
Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
Cambridge, MA 02140
tel 617 354 0167
fax 617 354 1542
e-mail pheck@camsys.com
www.camsys.com
Patrick Heck/camsys wrote on 04/26/2005 01:42:27 AM:
> I am somewhat confused by the jstl.jar distributed with 1.0.5 (I
> have identified it as being at least the same # of bytes as the one
> that I am trying to identify and document in our project, and since
> we also have a jakarta-taglibs 1.0.5 jar I suspect we got this jstl.
> jar from you :) ).
>
> It has a manifest.mf file as follows:
>
> Manifest-Version: 1.0
> Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.5.3
> Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> Specification-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library (JSTL)
> Specification-Version: 1.0
> Implementation-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library API Refere
> nce Implementation
> Implementation-Version: 1.0.5
> Implementation-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> Implementation-Vendor-Id: com.sun
> Extension-Name: javax.servlet.jsp.jstl
>
> I cannot find reference to 1.0.5, or it's license on sun's site
>
> I cannot find any license file relating to a Sun license. I have
> noticed that other jars from apache are clearly implemented by
> apache. For example:
>
> Manifest-Version: 1.0
> Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.6.1
> Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
>
> Name: javax/servlet/jsp/
> Specification-Title: Java API for JavaServer Pages
> Specification-Version: 2.0
> Specification-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> Implementation-Title: javax.servlet.jsp
> Implementation-Version: 2.0.public_draft
> Implementation-Vendor: Apache Software Foundation
>
> Can someone please help me locate the license for the jstl.jar fom
> 1.0.5... I'm probably blind or something...
>
> -Gus
>
> Patrick G. Heck
> Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> Cambridge, MA 02140
> tel 617 354 0167
> fax 617 354 1542
> e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> www.camsys.com
Re: License conundrum
Posted by Patrick Heck <PH...@camsys.com>.
Based on my experience on several lists, Most significantly ant-dev
between 2002 and 2004, there is another reason not listed in that faq...
The person who has the answer had a high workload on the day you posted,
and ignored it when they might otherwise have answered. This changes with
time so re-posts spaced several days apart have, in my experience helped.
Also there is a tendancy for some to pick it up on the second round when
it becomes evident that noone else dealt with it the first time. Certainly
spamming repeatedly (especially mutliple times a day) is not productive.
Licensing issues are sometimes considered bugs (bug 31434, bug 27410, bug
26382), but generally rather than poluting the bug database, pinging the
dev list first is sometimes a good idea. I was hoping for direction as to
the preferences for handling this type of thing in this project.
- Gus
Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote on 05/05/2005 01:09:12 PM:
> Patrick -- From the tomcat FAQ:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/tomcatuser.html#why
>
> Based on your email, I don't think the second bullet is the problem
> :-) Usually some of the devs are also subscribed to the sister users
> list and cross-posting or bug reporting due to lack of a response on
> the users list is inadvisable, but in this particular case, I'd say
> its a subjective call.
>
> -Rahul
>
> On 5/5/05, Patrick Heck <PH...@camsys.com> wrote:
> > I sent this question several days ago, about licensing... would this
be
> > better addressed to a dev list? I know that many Sun Jars are
distributed
> > with a license that allows redistribution with a product, but I want
to be
> > sure. Should I enter the lack of license documentation as a bug?
> >
> > -Gus
> >
> > Patrick G. Heck
> > Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> > 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> > Cambridge, MA 02140
> > tel 617 354 0167
> > fax 617 354 1542
> > e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> > www.camsys.com
> >
> > Patrick Heck/camsys wrote on 04/26/2005 01:42:27 AM:
> >
> > > I am somewhat confused by the jstl.jar distributed with 1.0.5 (I
> > > have identified it as being at least the same # of bytes as the one
> > > that I am trying to identify and document in our project, and since
> > > we also have a jakarta-taglibs 1.0.5 jar I suspect we got this jstl.
> > > jar from you :) ).
> > >
> > > It has a manifest.mf file as follows:
> > >
> > > Manifest-Version: 1.0
> > > Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.5.3
> > > Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> > > Specification-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library (JSTL)
> > > Specification-Version: 1.0
> > > Implementation-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library API
Refere
> > > nce Implementation
> > > Implementation-Version: 1.0.5
> > > Implementation-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > > Implementation-Vendor-Id: com.sun
> > > Extension-Name: javax.servlet.jsp.jstl
> > >
> > > I cannot find reference to 1.0.5, or it's license on sun's site
> > >
> > > I cannot find any license file relating to a Sun license. I have
> > > noticed that other jars from apache are clearly implemented by
> > > apache. For example:
> > >
> > > Manifest-Version: 1.0
> > > Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.6.1
> > > Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> > >
> > > Name: javax/servlet/jsp/
> > > Specification-Title: Java API for JavaServer Pages
> > > Specification-Version: 2.0
> > > Specification-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > > Implementation-Title: javax.servlet.jsp
> > > Implementation-Version: 2.0.public_draft
> > > Implementation-Vendor: Apache Software Foundation
> > >
> > > Can someone please help me locate the license for the jstl.jar fom
> > > 1.0.5... I'm probably blind or something...
> > >
> > > -Gus
> > >
> > > Patrick G. Heck
> > > Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> > > 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> > > Cambridge, MA 02140
> > > tel 617 354 0167
> > > fax 617 354 1542
> > > e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> > > www.camsys.com
> >
>
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Re: License conundrum
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
Patrick -- From the tomcat FAQ:
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq/tomcatuser.html#why
Based on your email, I don't think the second bullet is the problem
:-) Usually some of the devs are also subscribed to the sister users
list and cross-posting or bug reporting due to lack of a response on
the users list is inadvisable, but in this particular case, I'd say
its a subjective call.
-Rahul
On 5/5/05, Patrick Heck <PH...@camsys.com> wrote:
> I sent this question several days ago, about licensing... would this be
> better addressed to a dev list? I know that many Sun Jars are distributed
> with a license that allows redistribution with a product, but I want to be
> sure. Should I enter the lack of license documentation as a bug?
>
> -Gus
>
> Patrick G. Heck
> Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> Cambridge, MA 02140
> tel 617 354 0167
> fax 617 354 1542
> e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> www.camsys.com
>
> Patrick Heck/camsys wrote on 04/26/2005 01:42:27 AM:
>
> > I am somewhat confused by the jstl.jar distributed with 1.0.5 (I
> > have identified it as being at least the same # of bytes as the one
> > that I am trying to identify and document in our project, and since
> > we also have a jakarta-taglibs 1.0.5 jar I suspect we got this jstl.
> > jar from you :) ).
> >
> > It has a manifest.mf file as follows:
> >
> > Manifest-Version: 1.0
> > Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.5.3
> > Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> > Specification-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library (JSTL)
> > Specification-Version: 1.0
> > Implementation-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library API Refere
> > nce Implementation
> > Implementation-Version: 1.0.5
> > Implementation-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > Implementation-Vendor-Id: com.sun
> > Extension-Name: javax.servlet.jsp.jstl
> >
> > I cannot find reference to 1.0.5, or it's license on sun's site
> >
> > I cannot find any license file relating to a Sun license. I have
> > noticed that other jars from apache are clearly implemented by
> > apache. For example:
> >
> > Manifest-Version: 1.0
> > Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.6.1
> > Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> >
> > Name: javax/servlet/jsp/
> > Specification-Title: Java API for JavaServer Pages
> > Specification-Version: 2.0
> > Specification-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > Implementation-Title: javax.servlet.jsp
> > Implementation-Version: 2.0.public_draft
> > Implementation-Vendor: Apache Software Foundation
> >
> > Can someone please help me locate the license for the jstl.jar fom
> > 1.0.5... I'm probably blind or something...
> >
> > -Gus
> >
> > Patrick G. Heck
> > Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> > 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> > Cambridge, MA 02140
> > tel 617 354 0167
> > fax 617 354 1542
> > e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> > www.camsys.com
>
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Re: License conundrum
Posted by Martin Cooper <mf...@gmail.com>.
On 5/5/05, Patrick Heck <PH...@camsys.com> wrote:
> I sent this question several days ago, about licensing... would this be
> better addressed to a dev list? I know that many Sun Jars are distributed
> with a license that allows redistribution with a product, but I want to be
> sure. Should I enter the lack of license documentation as a bug?
>
> -Gus
>
> Patrick G. Heck
> Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> Cambridge, MA 02140
> tel 617 354 0167
> fax 617 354 1542
> e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> www.camsys.com
>
> Patrick Heck/camsys wrote on 04/26/2005 01:42:27 AM:
>
> > I am somewhat confused by the jstl.jar distributed with 1.0.5 (I
> > have identified it as being at least the same # of bytes as the one
> > that I am trying to identify and document in our project, and since
> > we also have a jakarta-taglibs 1.0.5 jar I suspect we got this jstl.
> > jar from you :) ).
> >
> > It has a manifest.mf file as follows:
> >
> > Manifest-Version: 1.0
> > Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.5.3
> > Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> > Specification-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library (JSTL)
> > Specification-Version: 1.0
> > Implementation-Title: JavaServer Pages Standard Tag Library API Refere
> > nce Implementation
> > Implementation-Version: 1.0.5
> > Implementation-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > Implementation-Vendor-Id: com.sun
> > Extension-Name: javax.servlet.jsp.jstl
> >
> > I cannot find reference to 1.0.5, or it's license on sun's site
No, you wouldn't. The 1.0.5 version number is the version of the
Apache Jakarta Taglibs implementation of the JSTL 1.0 specification.
It's not a Sun version number.
> > I cannot find any license file relating to a Sun license. I have
> > noticed that other jars from apache are clearly implemented by
> > apache. For example:
I would hazard a guess that the values for 'Implementation-Vendor' and
'Implementation-Vendor-Id' are actually incorrect, and should
reference the ASF instead, since the Jakarta Taglibs implementation is
licensed under the ASL. However, since I'm not one of the JSTL
developers, I can't say definitively; hopefully one of the JSTL team
will chime in here.
--
Martin Cooper
> > Manifest-Version: 1.0
> > Ant-Version: Apache Ant 1.6.1
> > Created-By: 1.4.2-b28 (Sun Microsystems Inc.)
> >
> > Name: javax/servlet/jsp/
> > Specification-Title: Java API for JavaServer Pages
> > Specification-Version: 2.0
> > Specification-Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> > Implementation-Title: javax.servlet.jsp
> > Implementation-Version: 2.0.public_draft
> > Implementation-Vendor: Apache Software Foundation
> >
> > Can someone please help me locate the license for the jstl.jar fom
> > 1.0.5... I'm probably blind or something...
> >
> > -Gus
> >
> > Patrick G. Heck
> > Cambridge Systematics, Inc.
> > 100 CambridgePark Drive, Suite 400
> > Cambridge, MA 02140
> > tel 617 354 0167
> > fax 617 354 1542
> > e-mail pheck@camsys.com
> > www.camsys.com
>
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