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Design Tasks
Hi All,
These are the design tasks that I think we need to cover before (serious)
coding is done on the new layout approach.
FO Objects:
The classes that represent the FO object heirarchy should implement one or
more interfaces that represent what the object can do in terms of the
layout and what it will add into the layout. An fo object can create an
inline or a block area or return what its children create.
Layout Managers:
Areas that create a page or block area will need to implement a layout
manager that can take the information for the current object and add child
created areas. It is likely that there will be managers for page, block,
table and list among others.
Area Tree:
The area tree needs to have all the appropriate block and inline areas and
extra information to handle the layout process.
Inline areas - character, leader, space, unresolved page, container etc.
Block areas - in flow block, relative and absolute position, viewport areas
Renderers:
The renderers need to be able to handle the area tree. eg. blocks, inlines,
fills, clips, viewports, etc.
The design includes descriptions of what it does, the layout situations it
handles and how it is used.
Of course all of these parts will need to co-operate, so co-operation will
be needed when doing the design.
Across all of these are things like footnotes, floats and links.
So far I have started to look at the area tree.
So for those people who think they are up to the challenge we can start to
get stuck into the lower level design/implementation of the new layout.
I think a two week period is enough to get a good view of what we need to
do here. So we can aim for 24 Sept.
Documents will eventually be placed in docs/design to add to the current
information.
Any questions/comments are welcome and particularly contributions.
Keiron
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Arved Sandstrom <Ar...@chebucto.ns.ca>.
One of those Internet-enabled electronic whiteboards. :-)
Why don't you produce an initial concept for what you think layout managers
should do, and I'll do the same for FO's. Then we can define the boundary.
Regards,
Arved
At 12:12 AM 9/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>I guess I'm not yet 100% where the boundaries between all this stuff is.
>Too bad we can't do a whiteboard session...
>
>-Karen
>
>
>Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>
>> At 10:56 PM 9/10/01 +0200, you wrote:
>> >Hi Keiron,
>> >
>> >I'd like to think about Layout Managers, but I'd be more than happy to
>> >bat ideas around with anyone else who's interested in that.
>> >
>> >Karen
>>
>> Well, you already know that I am interested in that, but I backed off
>> because I thought you would want to take that. But I'll be happy to help.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arved
>>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Karen Lease <kl...@club-internet.fr>.
I guess I'm not yet 100% where the boundaries between all this stuff is.
Too bad we can't do a whiteboard session...
-Karen
Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>
> At 10:56 PM 9/10/01 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Keiron,
> >
> >I'd like to think about Layout Managers, but I'd be more than happy to
> >bat ideas around with anyone else who's interested in that.
> >
> >Karen
>
> Well, you already know that I am interested in that, but I backed off
> because I thought you would want to take that. But I'll be happy to help.
>
> Regards,
> Arved
>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Arved Sandstrom <Ar...@chebucto.ns.ca>.
At 10:56 PM 9/10/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Keiron,
>
>I'd like to think about Layout Managers, but I'd be more than happy to
>bat ideas around with anyone else who's interested in that.
>
>Karen
Well, you already know that I am interested in that, but I backed off
because I thought you would want to take that. But I'll be happy to help.
Regards,
Arved
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Bodo Teichmann <bo...@tanzerei.com>.
finally i found a workaround for my 2. problem:
the 2 files page.svg and float.svg were not found during the fop run because
in the
fop.fo file there where the following references to the images:
src="url(page.svg)"
and
src="url(float.svg)"
i simply removed "url" and the "()" so that i got :
src="page.svg"
src="float.cvs"
and got the fop.pdf including the images!
does anyone knows what the actual problem is here ? does this look like a
XSLT problem or is it a FOP problem ?
Bodo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bodo Teichmann" <bo...@tanzerei.com>
To: <fo...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Design Tasks
> Karen, Keiron,
> in fact, it is the classpath sequence: i moved the fop.jar at the
beginning
> of the classpath in the build.bat script and now this problem is gone, but
> problem no. 2 is still there....
> bodo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Lease" <kl...@club-internet.fr>
> To: <fo...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Design Tasks
>
>
> > Hi Bodo,
> >
> > Maybe it's Windows or maybe it's your Xslt task. The fact that the
> > parser can't find a URI for your document sounds familiar. I mad a
> > change in Xslt a couple of weeks ago which I think might fix this.
> > Assuming you are updating from CVS, please make sure you update the
> > sources and then rebuild the buildtools.jar.
> >
> > using the command "build -buildfile buildtools.xml" in your xml-fop
> > directory.
> >
> > Hope that helps you.
> > -Karen Lease
> >
> >
> > Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> > >
> > > Keiron,
> > > now i got the pdf but still have the following problems:
> > > 1. the relative uri in fop.xml do not work. i get the following error
> from
> > > the SAX parser:
> > > >Task xslt - SAX ERROR:
> > > > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Relative URI "design/intro.xml";
> kann
> > > nicht
> > >
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Bodo Teichmann <bo...@tanzerei.com>.
Karen, Keiron,
in fact, it is the classpath sequence: i moved the fop.jar at the beginning
of the classpath in the build.bat script and now this problem is gone, but
problem no. 2 is still there....
bodo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Lease" <kl...@club-internet.fr>
To: <fo...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: Design Tasks
> Hi Bodo,
>
> Maybe it's Windows or maybe it's your Xslt task. The fact that the
> parser can't find a URI for your document sounds familiar. I mad a
> change in Xslt a couple of weeks ago which I think might fix this.
> Assuming you are updating from CVS, please make sure you update the
> sources and then rebuild the buildtools.jar.
>
> using the command "build -buildfile buildtools.xml" in your xml-fop
> directory.
>
> Hope that helps you.
> -Karen Lease
>
>
> Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> >
> > Keiron,
> > now i got the pdf but still have the following problems:
> > 1. the relative uri in fop.xml do not work. i get the following error
from
> > the SAX parser:
> > >Task xslt - SAX ERROR:
> > > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Relative URI "design/intro.xml";
kann
> > nicht
> >
>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Karen Lease <kl...@club-internet.fr>.
Hi Bodo,
Maybe it's Windows or maybe it's your Xslt task. The fact that the
parser can't find a URI for your document sounds familiar. I mad a
change in Xslt a couple of weeks ago which I think might fix this.
Assuming you are updating from CVS, please make sure you update the
sources and then rebuild the buildtools.jar.
using the command "build -buildfile buildtools.xml" in your xml-fop
directory.
Hope that helps you.
-Karen Lease
Bodo Teichmann wrote:
>
> Keiron,
> now i got the pdf but still have the following problems:
> 1. the relative uri in fop.xml do not work. i get the following error from
> the SAX parser:
> >Task xslt - SAX ERROR:
> > org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Relative URI "design/intro.xml"; kann
> nicht
>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
It sounds like a problem with windows (dos) and classpaths.
It works fine for me on unix so I don't really know what the problem is.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:48:21 Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> 'Relative URI "design/intro.xml"; can not be resoved without a
> Document-URI.'
> if i replace all relative URI with absolute ones starting with
> file:///C:/workdir_cvs/xml-fop_cvs/docs/ then it works up to this
> problem:
>
> 2. beside some warnings fop can not handle the external SVG's so that the
> pdf has no images contained:
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Bodo Teichmann <bo...@tanzerei.com>.
Keiron,
now i got the pdf but still have the following problems:
1. the relative uri in fop.xml do not work. i get the following error from
the SAX parser:
>Task xslt - SAX ERROR:
> org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Relative URI "design/intro.xml"; kann
nicht
>ohne eine Dokument-URI aufgel÷st werden.
>DEBUG 10001 [fop ] (): using SAX parser
org.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXPar
>ser
>Failed to open C:\workdir_cvs\xml-fop_cvs\docs\design\fop.pdf
>
>BUILD FAILED
unfortuately the error message is a terrible mix from german (but without
german umlauts) and english. the german parts translated back to english
probably mean:
'Relative URI "design/intro.xml"; can not be resoved without a
Document-URI.'
if i replace all relative URI with absolute ones starting with
file:///C:/workdir_cvs/xml-fop_cvs/docs/ then it works up to this problem:
2. beside some warnings fop can not handle the external SVG's so that the
pdf has no images contained:
output from build.bat:
.......
[5
]
[1
]
[2
ERROR 10001 [fop ] (): ERROR LOADING EXTERNAL SVG: SAX2 driver class
org
.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser not found
Error while creating area : No ImageReader for this type of image
(file:page.svg
)
]
[3
]
[4
ERROR 10001 [fop ] (): ERROR LOADING EXTERNAL SVG: SAX2 driver class
org
.apache.xerces.parsers.SAXParser not found
Error while creating area : No ImageReader for this type of image
(file:float.sv
g)
]
[5
]
[6
]
[7
]
[8
]
[9
]
[10
]
Parsing of document complete, stopping renderer
Initial heap size: 8895Kb
Current heap size: 8776Kb
Total memory used: -118Kb
Memory use is indicative; no GC was performed
These figures should not be used comparatively
Total time used: 5388ms
Pages rendererd: 15
Avg render time: 359ms/page
docs:
BUILD SUCCESSFUL
Total time: 19 seconds
Bodo
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From: "Keiron Liddle" <ke...@aftexsw.com>
To: <fo...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Design Tasks
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:57:30 Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> > Keiron,
> > i still have a little problem with the optional.jar.
> > runing build.bat gives me an:
> >
> > C:\workdir_cvs\xml-fop_cvs\docs\design\build.xml:49:
> > java.lang.ClassNotFoundExce
> > ption: org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.TraXLiaison
> > error.
> >
> > looking into optional.jar, downloaded from
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-ant/release/v1.4/bin/
> > jakarta-ant-1.4-optional.jar (and placed into fops lib directroy)
> > tells me that there is no TraXLiaison class in package
> > org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.
> > (i can only find a "XslpLiaison.class")
> > do you use a different version of "optional.jar" or do i need to
> > recompile
> > ant with special options?
> >
> > Bodo
>
> I have just changed it so that you don't need this jar, it uses the xslt
> task that is in the fop tools instead.
> So update your cvs and it should be a bit better.
>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:57:30 Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> Keiron,
> i still have a little problem with the optional.jar.
> runing build.bat gives me an:
>
> C:\workdir_cvs\xml-fop_cvs\docs\design\build.xml:49:
> java.lang.ClassNotFoundExce
> ption: org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.TraXLiaison
> error.
>
> looking into optional.jar, downloaded from
> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-ant/release/v1.4/bin/
> jakarta-ant-1.4-optional.jar (and placed into fops lib directroy)
> tells me that there is no TraXLiaison class in package
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.
> (i can only find a "XslpLiaison.class")
> do you use a different version of "optional.jar" or do i need to
> recompile
> ant with special options?
>
> Bodo
I have just changed it so that you don't need this jar, it uses the xslt
task that is in the fop tools instead.
So update your cvs and it should be a bit better.
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Bodo Teichmann <bo...@tanzerei.com>.
Keiron,
i still have a little problem with the optional.jar.
runing build.bat gives me an:
C:\workdir_cvs\xml-fop_cvs\docs\design\build.xml:49:
java.lang.ClassNotFoundExce
ption: org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.TraXLiaison
error.
looking into optional.jar, downloaded from
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-ant/release/v1.4/bin/
jakarta-ant-1.4-optional.jar (and placed into fops lib directroy)
tells me that there is no TraXLiaison class in package
org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.
(i can only find a "XslpLiaison.class")
do you use a different version of "optional.jar" or do i need to recompile
ant with special options?
Bodo
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From: "Keiron Liddle" <ke...@aftexsw.com>
To: <fo...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Design Tasks
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:11:46 Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> > i would like to help in further development of fop.
> > currently i'm still in the learning stage and because of that i would
> > realy
> > like to read the lastest doc from you in docs/design.
> > unfortunately i don't know much about docbook and the information given
> > in
> > the docs/design/Readme is not sufficient for me to generate the pdfs.
> >
> > > The Readme:
> > > To convert to pdf:
> > >- place the docbook files in a directory name "docbook"
> >
> > which are the docbook files. and what should be the parent directory of
> > "docbook" , should i create this directory in the docbook or in the fop
> > package or do i need to create a new directory hirachy for the
conversion
> > ?
>
> The docbook files are the files from the distribution at
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook.
> You need to unpack the distro and put the files into the
> docs/design/docbook directory. So that the docbook "README" file (among
> others) will be in "docs/design/docbook/README".
>
> > >- place docbookx package in a directory name "docbookx"
> >
> > what exactly is the docbookx package? is it the zip file found in
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/index.shtml
> > called "docbkx412.zip" ?
> >
> > >the files are avaialable here:
> > >http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/index.shtml
> >
> > what files do i need from this site ? just the .zip ?
>
> You just need to get the zip file "docbkx412.zip" and to then unzip it
into
> the docs/design/docbookx/ directory.
> I don't really know what the package is, something to do with dtds.
>
> > do i need anything from http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook ?
>
> >
> > >- run the build script
> > im working on w2k so i need to translate the sh script to .bat. what is
> > "jboss" and how do i need to set $JBOSS_HOME ?
>
> This is an error, just ignore it, it will go away.
>
> --
>
> You will also need the ant optional jar file in lib/optional.jar
>
> Hopefully this will become easier??
>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:11:46 Bodo Teichmann wrote:
> i would like to help in further development of fop.
> currently i'm still in the learning stage and because of that i would
> realy
> like to read the lastest doc from you in docs/design.
> unfortunately i don't know much about docbook and the information given
> in
> the docs/design/Readme is not sufficient for me to generate the pdfs.
>
> > The Readme:
> > To convert to pdf:
> >- place the docbook files in a directory name "docbook"
>
> which are the docbook files. and what should be the parent directory of
> "docbook" , should i create this directory in the docbook or in the fop
> package or do i need to create a new directory hirachy for the conversion
> ?
The docbook files are the files from the distribution at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook.
You need to unpack the distro and put the files into the
docs/design/docbook directory. So that the docbook "README" file (among
others) will be in "docs/design/docbook/README".
> >- place docbookx package in a directory name "docbookx"
>
> what exactly is the docbookx package? is it the zip file found in
> http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/index.shtml
> called "docbkx412.zip" ?
>
> >the files are avaialable here:
> >http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/index.shtml
>
> what files do i need from this site ? just the .zip ?
You just need to get the zip file "docbkx412.zip" and to then unzip it into
the docs/design/docbookx/ directory.
I don't really know what the package is, something to do with dtds.
> do i need anything from http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook ?
>
> >- run the build script
> im working on w2k so i need to translate the sh script to .bat. what is
> "jboss" and how do i need to set $JBOSS_HOME ?
This is an error, just ignore it, it will go away.
--
You will also need the ant optional jar file in lib/optional.jar
Hopefully this will become easier??
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Bodo Teichmann <bo...@tanzerei.com>.
>From: "Keiron Liddle" <ke...@aftexsw.com>
> ....
> Documents will eventually be placed in docs/design to add to the current
> information.
>
> Any questions/comments are welcome and particularly contributions.
Keiron,
i would like to help in further development of fop.
currently i'm still in the learning stage and because of that i would realy
like to read the lastest doc from you in docs/design.
unfortunately i don't know much about docbook and the information given in
the docs/design/Readme is not sufficient for me to generate the pdfs.
> The Readme:
> To convert to pdf:
>- place the docbook files in a directory name "docbook"
which are the docbook files. and what should be the parent directory of
"docbook" , should i create this directory in the docbook or in the fop
package or do i need to create a new directory hirachy for the conversion ?
>- place docbookx package in a directory name "docbookx"
what exactly is the docbookx package? is it the zip file found in
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/index.shtml
called "docbkx412.zip" ?
>the files are avaialable here:
>http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/index.shtml
what files do i need from this site ? just the .zip ?
do i need anything from http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook ?
>- run the build script
im working on w2k so i need to translate the sh script to .bat. what is
"jboss" and how do i need to set $JBOSS_HOME ?
bodo
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Ar...@chebucto.ns.ca.
Hi, Keiron
I'd like to look at the FO Object category.
I think your target date is a good one.
Regards,
Arved
Quoting Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>:
> Hi All,
>
> These are the design tasks that I think we need to cover before (serious)
> coding is done on the new layout approach.
>
> FO Objects:
> The classes that represent the FO object heirarchy should implement one or
> more interfaces that represent what the object can do in terms of the
> layout and what it will add into the layout. An fo object can create an
> inline or a block area or return what its children create.
>
> Layout Managers:
> Areas that create a page or block area will need to implement a layout
> manager that can take the information for the current object and add child
> created areas. It is likely that there will be managers for page, block,
> table and list among others.
>
> Area Tree:
> The area tree needs to have all the appropriate block and inline areas and
> extra information to handle the layout process.
> Inline areas - character, leader, space, unresolved page, container etc.
> Block areas - in flow block, relative and absolute position, viewport areas
>
> Renderers:
> The renderers need to be able to handle the area tree. eg. blocks, inlines,
> fills, clips, viewports, etc.
>
> The design includes descriptions of what it does, the layout situations it
> handles and how it is used.
>
> Of course all of these parts will need to co-operate, so co-operation will
> be needed when doing the design.
> Across all of these are things like footnotes, floats and links.
>
> So far I have started to look at the area tree.
> So for those people who think they are up to the challenge we can start to
> get stuck into the lower level design/implementation of the new layout.
> I think a two week period is enough to get a good view of what we need to
> do here. So we can aim for 24 Sept.
>
> Documents will eventually be placed in docs/design to add to the current
> information.
>
> Any questions/comments are welcome and particularly contributions.
>
> Keiron
>
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Re: Design Tasks
Posted by Karen Lease <kl...@club-internet.fr>.
Hi Keiron,
I'd like to think about Layout Managers, but I'd be more than happy to
bat ideas around with anyone else who's interested in that.
Karen
Keiron Liddle wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> These are the design tasks that I think we need to cover before (serious)
> coding is done on the new layout approach.
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