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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org> on 2005/03/20 19:19:14 UTC
[draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Added thanks for the award.
Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is nitpicking.
Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion
to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading
contributor.
Hen
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To: kadams@cmp.com
Cc: board@apache.org
Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
Hi Kate,
I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT
"Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work
the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT
product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might be
reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The
Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync with
the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software
Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase, many
of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.
We would like to request that this be changed to:
"Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
issue.
Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
"Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd
like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of the
ASF is fine.
Many thanks,
Henri Yandell
V.P., Apache Jakarta
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Specifically to Remy/Mladen, does this seem acceptable to you with your
> JBoss hats on?
>
Personally I don't care.
If those things bother you guys, do what ever you wish.
Regards,
Mladen.
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
Specifically to Remy/Mladen, does this seem acceptable to you with your
JBoss hats on?
Trying to focus on the email being a request to focus on the whole Tomcat
community rather than just the two of you for the success of Tomcat 5.0.
Hen
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Added thanks for the award.
>
> Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is nitpicking.
>
> Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion to
> avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading
> contributor.
>
> Hen
>
> =======
>
> To: kadams@cmp.com
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
>
> Hi Kate,
>
> I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT
> "Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work the
> Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
>
> I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT product
> excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might be reproduced
> in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
>
> http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
>
> The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The Apache
> Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
>
> There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not have a
> concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync with the very
> philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF),
> as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase, many of whom are employed
> by other companies or contribute individually.
>
> We would like to request that this be changed to:
>
> "Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
>
> in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
> issue.
>
> Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
> "Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd like
> to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of the ASF is
> fine.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Henri Yandell
> V.P., Apache Jakarta
>
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
I think this is great. More inline...
On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Added thanks for the award.
>
> Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is
> nitpicking.
>
> Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their
> discretion to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the
> concept of a leading contributor.
>
> Hen
>
> =======
>
> To: kadams@cmp.com
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
>
> Hi Kate,
>
> I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the
> JOLT "Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of
> the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
>
> I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT
> product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it
> might be reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
>
> http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
>
> The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The
> Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
>
> There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
> have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync
> with the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache
> Software Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat
> codebase, many of whom are employed by other companies or contribute
> individually.
>
> We would like to request that this be changed to:
>
> "Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
>
> in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June
> 2005 issue.
>
> Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
> "Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether
> you'd like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent
> mention of the ASF is fine.
I'd actually gently push as we want this to be named "Apache Tomcat
5.0".
"Officially, the name of the project is "Apache Tomcat 5.0", and not
just "Tomcat 5.0", and we'd appreciate the change if that was
possible."
:)
Well done!
geir
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Henri Yandell
> V.P., Apache Jakarta
>
Aw, spell this out. You want this to be as impressive as it can be for
this :
Henri Yandell
Vice President, Apache Jakarta Project
The Apache Software Foundation
:)
geir
>
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geirm@apache.org
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
While not directly involved with Tomcat, some code I have written via
commons probably is included in Tomcat distros.
My comment is simply that I found the pdf description rather distasteful and
definitely worthy of gentle correction.
We all have lines that we don't want to see crossed, and each person has a
line in a different place. Simply put, this crossed my line.
+1 to sending the mail
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henri Yandell" <ba...@apache.org>
> Added thanks for the award.
>
> Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is
> nitpicking.
>
> Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion
> to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading
> contributor.
>
> Hen
>
> =======
>
> To: kadams@cmp.com
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
>
> Hi Kate,
>
> I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT
> "Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work
> the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
>
> I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT
> product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might be
> reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
>
> http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
>
> The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The
> Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
>
> There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
> have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync with
> the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software
> Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase, many
> of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.
>
> We would like to request that this be changed to:
>
> "Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
>
> in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
> issue.
>
> Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
> "Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd
> like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of the
> ASF is fine.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Henri Yandell
> V.P., Apache Jakarta
>
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 20:40 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote:
> > Hi Kate,
> >
> > I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the
> > JOLT "Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of
> > the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
> >
> > I'm also writing to let you know about a [serious] error on your JOLT
> > product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might
> > be reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
>
> I would drop "serious"
+1
> > http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
> >
> > The release [incorrectly] attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The
>
> Also the "incorrectly"
+1
> > Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
> >
> > There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
> > have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync
> > with the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software
> > Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase,
> > many of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.
> >
> > We would like to request that this be changed to:
>
> "request" sounds a bit harsh ...what about "see"
+1
> > "Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
> >
> > in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
> > issue.
> >
> > Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
> > "Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd
> > like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of
> > the ASF is fine.
>
> ...always play nice on the first contact.
+1
sometimes less says more :)
am i right in thinking that the importance of pushing "Apache Tomcat"
now is about trademark issues?
(one neat way of diffusing this the whole issue might be for the
attribution to be corrected but a quote given by remy of jboss)
- robert
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Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@apache.org>.
> Hi Kate,
>
> I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the
> JOLT "Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of
> the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
>
> I'm also writing to let you know about a [serious] error on your JOLT
> product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might
> be reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
I would drop "serious"
> http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
>
> The release [incorrectly] attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The
Also the "incorrectly"
> Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
>
> There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
> have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync
> with the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software
> Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase,
> many of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.
>
> We would like to request that this be changed to:
"request" sounds a bit harsh ...what about "see"
> "Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
>
> in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
> issue.
>
> Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
> "Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd
> like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of
> the ASF is fine.
...always play nice on the first contact.
My 2 cents
cheers
--
Torsten
Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org>.
Overall, it looks good to me. The reference in the first paragraph should
probably be "Apache Tomcat".
Thanks, Henri.
Cheers,
-g
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 01:19:14PM -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> Added thanks for the award.
>
> Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is nitpicking.
>
> Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion
> to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading
> contributor.
>
> Hen
>
> =======
>
> To: kadams@cmp.com
> Cc: board@apache.org
> Subject: Tomcat 5.0 error in JOLT announcement
>
> Hi Kate,
>
> I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT
> "Productivity Winner" award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work
> the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome.
>
> I'm also writing to let you know about a serious error on your JOLT
> product excellence awards press release because I am concerned it might be
> reproduced in your forthcoming June 2005 issue:
>
> http://www.sdmagazine.com/pressroom/jolt_winners_2005.pdf
>
> The release incorrectly attributes Apache's Tomcat 5.0 product to "The
> Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss".
>
> There is one big problem with this attribution for us, Apache does not
> have a concept of leading contributors. It is completely out of sync with
> the very philosophies that lie at the heart of the Apache Software
> Foundation (ASF), as there are 70 committers to the Tomcat codebase, many
> of whom are employed by other companies or contribute individually.
>
> We would like to request that this be changed to:
>
> "Tomcat 5.0 (The Apache Software Foundation)"
>
> in both the press release (pdf url above) and the forthcoming June 2005
> issue.
>
> Officially the name of the product is "Apache Tomcat 5.0" and not just
> "Tomcat 5.0", but I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you'd
> like to prefix Tomcat with Apache or not, as the subsequent mention of the
> ASF is fine.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Henri Yandell
> V.P., Apache Jakarta
--
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