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Posted to dev@jspwiki.apache.org by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> on 2011/12/21 14:37:54 UTC
Re: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> Hello Sam,
>
> not many, AFAIK an Apache release and some community vote for graduation.
> I will have a closer look at this next week when I have some days off.
Ping?
> Regards
> Florian
- Sam Ruby
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. November 2011 14:36:56
> Betreff: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
>
> For reference, here is a handy list:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
>
> - Sam Ruby
Re: JSPWiki killed on fast lane? [Re: What steps need to be taken to
graduate from the incubator?]
Posted by Harry Metske <ha...@gmail.com>.
Michael,
most of the work on the 2 major changes have been done already.
1) JCR backend (Janne)
2) Stripes based frontend (Andrew)
The problem now is that none of the developers seem to have any time at all
to devote to jspwiki and finish off what we started.
If one of us had some time and skills to do the remaining graduation points
it should not have to take that long.
We could do the 3.0.0-alpha release fairly easy (but the resulting JSPWiki
would not work).
Janne and Andrew can give you the best answers on the question why these 2
major changes were done.
A few goals of these moves are :
* more flexible frontend
* scalable wiki (although JCR only is not enough for that)
* profit from more metadata capabilities offered by JCR
Here is some more general background anyway:
http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ApacheJSPWikiProposal
But I do think that you are right that these massive changes were not on
user request, but driven by developers.
Taking the 2.8.5 and just renaming the packages would not be enough for an
official Apache release though.
We would at least have to check all the graduation issues (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&mode=hide&jqlQuery=fixVersion+%3D+Graduating+AND+project+%3D+JSPWIKI
)
Any comments of the other devs welcome.....
kind regards,
Harry
2011/12/21 Michael Gerzabek <mi...@gmx.net>
> Lurking on this list for some time now. Wondering what's going on. Doing
> this because JSPWiki used to be a very helpful and proper way of doing
> things the web 2.0 way. Having also programmed a couple of plugins.
> Don't mind ..
>
> I wonder why you burden yourself with so much work to make an
> 3.0.0-alpha release? Is it really necessary or does it make it
> undoable? What does it mean that people doing tons of work for versions
> up to 2.8.4 stay busy for .. let's say two years? Why program a
> completely new backend when the filesystem provider was so handy? Why do
> a new design if the current one is clean and proper? I choose JSPWiki
> because of the simple versioning mechanism on the file system. Whenever
> I wanted I could use the stupid but standard! win editor to look into
> revisions .. I thought this was a feature! I choose JSPWiki because of
> its clear and easy adoptable design .. I thought this was a feature! ..
>
> Anyway. My question is this. The JIRA says that the renaming of the
> packages to org.apache.blah is done and the issue is closed - which
> means accepted by the community as correct resolution. Wouldn't that be
> enough to release a 3.0.0-RC1 as graduation release - which would in
> fact be a 2.8.5 release. Further state that fact on the website, draw a
> clear finish/starting line and attract new users as long as not any
> lurkers are lost? Then start a discussion on what's REALLY needed, be it
> a new look & feel or a super-duper-backend or just bugfixes under the
> Apache feather.
>
> A hint on that domain would be: ask the users. They might see things
> different ..
>
> my 2 cents,
> Michael
>
>
> Am 21/12/2011 21:02, schrieb Florian Holeczek:
> > Hi Sam,
> >
> > sorry, was simply too busy...
> >
> > According to our issue tracking database, only the following tasks need
> to be done for graduating:
> >
> > * Release 3.0.0-incubating-alpha-1
> > * IPMC vote to graduate
> > * Prepare a charter
> >
> > This shouldn't be a big deal. Looking at your link, one further (and
> probably main) issue is "Demonstrate an active and diverse development
> community".
> > This had already discussed on the list, too. All committers still seem
> to be quite busy, however AFAIK basically still willing to contribute.
> >
> > Any advice and/or opinions?
> >
> > Regards
> > Florian
> >
> >
> > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> > Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> > An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2011 14:37:54
> > Betreff: Re: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>
> wrote:
> >> Hello Sam,
> >>
> >> not many, AFAIK an Apache release and some community vote for
> graduation.
> >> I will have a closer look at this next week when I have some days off.
> > Ping?
> >
> >> Regards
> >> Florian
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> >> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> >> Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> >> An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. November 2011 14:36:56
> >> Betreff: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a handy list:
> >>
> >>
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
> >>
> >> - Sam Ruby
>
>
JSPWiki killed on fast lane? [Re: What steps need to be taken to
graduate from the incubator?]
Posted by Michael Gerzabek <mi...@gmx.net>.
Lurking on this list for some time now. Wondering what's going on. Doing
this because JSPWiki used to be a very helpful and proper way of doing
things the web 2.0 way. Having also programmed a couple of plugins.
Don't mind ..
I wonder why you burden yourself with so much work to make an
3.0.0-alpha release? Is it really necessary or does it make it
undoable? What does it mean that people doing tons of work for versions
up to 2.8.4 stay busy for .. let's say two years? Why program a
completely new backend when the filesystem provider was so handy? Why do
a new design if the current one is clean and proper? I choose JSPWiki
because of the simple versioning mechanism on the file system. Whenever
I wanted I could use the stupid but standard! win editor to look into
revisions .. I thought this was a feature! I choose JSPWiki because of
its clear and easy adoptable design .. I thought this was a feature! ..
Anyway. My question is this. The JIRA says that the renaming of the
packages to org.apache.blah is done and the issue is closed - which
means accepted by the community as correct resolution. Wouldn't that be
enough to release a 3.0.0-RC1 as graduation release - which would in
fact be a 2.8.5 release. Further state that fact on the website, draw a
clear finish/starting line and attract new users as long as not any
lurkers are lost? Then start a discussion on what's REALLY needed, be it
a new look & feel or a super-duper-backend or just bugfixes under the
Apache feather.
A hint on that domain would be: ask the users. They might see things
different ..
my 2 cents,
Michael
Am 21/12/2011 21:02, schrieb Florian Holeczek:
> Hi Sam,
>
> sorry, was simply too busy...
>
> According to our issue tracking database, only the following tasks need to be done for graduating:
>
> * Release 3.0.0-incubating-alpha-1
> * IPMC vote to graduate
> * Prepare a charter
>
> This shouldn't be a big deal. Looking at your link, one further (and probably main) issue is "Demonstrate an active and diverse development community".
> This had already discussed on the list, too. All committers still seem to be quite busy, however AFAIK basically still willing to contribute.
>
> Any advice and/or opinions?
>
> Regards
> Florian
>
>
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2011 14:37:54
> Betreff: Re: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
>> Hello Sam,
>>
>> not many, AFAIK an Apache release and some community vote for graduation.
>> I will have a closer look at this next week when I have some days off.
> Ping?
>
>> Regards
>> Florian
> - Sam Ruby
>
>> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>> Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
>> An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. November 2011 14:36:56
>> Betreff: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
>>
>> For reference, here is a handy list:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
Re: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
Posted by Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de>.
Hi Sam,
sorry, was simply too busy...
According to our issue tracking database, only the following tasks need to be done for graduating:
* Release 3.0.0-incubating-alpha-1
* IPMC vote to graduate
* Prepare a charter
This shouldn't be a big deal. Looking at your link, one further (and probably main) issue is "Demonstrate an active and diverse development community".
This had already discussed on the list, too. All committers still seem to be quite busy, however AFAIK basically still willing to contribute.
Any advice and/or opinions?
Regards
Florian
----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2011 14:37:54
Betreff: Re: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Florian Holeczek <fl...@holeczek.de> wrote:
> Hello Sam,
>
> not many, AFAIK an Apache release and some community vote for graduation.
> I will have a closer look at this next week when I have some days off.
Ping?
> Regards
> Florian
- Sam Ruby
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
> An: jspwiki-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. November 2011 14:36:56
> Betreff: What steps need to be taken to graduate from the incubator?
>
> For reference, here is a handy list:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
>
> - Sam Ruby