Stop driving people away (was: [PROPOSAL] Create ooo-l10n@incubator.apache.org)

[Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
<jo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 7/3/12 4:09 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Your loss.
>>
>> I encourage you to rethink that response.
>
> And I would like to encourage people to rethink their comments as well
> because other comments are more provocative and absolutely useless from
> my point of view.

The request for a new thread is reasonable.

As to any and all comments that may be more provocative and/or
absolutely useless: I encourage the PPMC to find ways to address them
too.

The goals here are to build a community and to become self-governing.

- Sam Ruby

Re: Stop driving people away (was: [PROPOSAL] Create ooo-l10n@incubator.apache.org)

[Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>]

On 7/3/12 12:23 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
> <jo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/3/12 4:09 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your loss.
>>>
>>> I encourage you to rethink that response.
>>
>> And I would like to encourage people to rethink their comments as well
>> because other comments are more provocative and absolutely useless from
>> my point of view.
> 
> The request for a new thread is reasonable.
> 
> As to any and all comments that may be more provocative and/or
> absolutely useless: I encourage the PPMC to find ways to address them
> too.
> 
> The goals here are to build a community and to become self-governing.

exactly, and one very important thing in building communities is the
active participation in the work that have to be done in the many
different areas here in the project. Everybody who is interested to
active participating in the project can find it's niche and can start
doing something. Don't expect that somebody else is doing the work for
you. If you need help, explain your needs and convince others to help you.

It is important to learn from past misbehavior, bad discussion or other
general mistakes and try to improve things over time. It is completely
useless to make insinuations about former mistakes or misbehavior etc.
that potentially force emotional reactions or something like that.

I think we all have a common goal and we should focus on constructive
collaboration to move the project forward.

I know it is not always easy and I personally have to reflect my own
behavior from time to time. But I am anxious to improve myself.

In the end I am watching what people are doing in and for the project
and try to build my own picture of people. I can't make it perfect for
everybody but I am trying to work with everybody who is willing to work
with me ;-) The project is huge and will hopefully become bigger. It is
important that we have respect for each other and work together.

I don't see that we drive people away but if it is really the case then
I would like to hear about it from the people who leave the project
first hand. If people are not able to raise their concerns on the
mailing list it is impossible for others to understand and to change
something. Important is the direct communication on the mailing list and
not via any proxies like our mentors.

Humans are different with very different personalities and we are from
different countries with different cultures but we all have a common
goal. We should remember this!


Juergen