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Posted to dev@community.apache.org by Jayaram Subramanian <rs...@gmail.com> on 2009/12/01 13:09:59 UTC
Apache mentoring program
Hi,
I am an IT professional trying to build my career in Java and i want to be a
mentee under Katherine Marsden in Apache mentoring program. Please let me
know of any other things required.
With Regards
Jayaram
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
Ross Gardler wrote:
> I've written an initial outline for the writing of a proposal on our
> webiste.
Thank you Ross for the outline. The only modifications I would make
would be to add a planned start date, mid-term evaluation date, and
end date and maybe make it more of a template so we get a consistent format.
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please don't top-post.
Did I top-post? I meant to empty my buffer and type in a new message.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suggest one jira project called MENTOR, and another called COMDEV. I
>> think we should present brand new mentees with as little jargon as
>> possible.
The Mentor program description I've been editing calls for mentees to
keep track of their code changes. My idea here was to create a MENTOR
project in JIRA, and open a JIRA for each mentee project, and then
connect the commits via FIshEye. I don't know if anyone else likes
this, so you're probably right that this is premature.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Kathey Marsden
>> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Tim Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Kathey Marsden
>>>> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal.
>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group.
>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
>>>>>>> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting
>>>>>>> proposals.
>>>>>>> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does someone have admin privs to add components to Jira for COMDEV. I
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to add a MENTORING_PROJECT component and there should probably be
>>>>> one
>>>>> for WEBSITE and perhaps OUTREACH.
>>>>> For MENTORING_PROJECT's, it might be interesting to look at the work flow
>>>>> options in Jira too so we can record acceptance, mid-term review
>>>>> submitted,
>>>>> passed etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not played with the admin functions of Jira before but would be
>>>>> willing to volunteer as admin and look at what COMDEV specific we need if
>>>>> that seems appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about commdev (just subscribed) but I think I have
>>>> karma to add components to JIRA if it's desired?
>>>> --tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would be great if you could add the three above for starters and then
>>> Jayraram can log his issue.
>>> Kathey
>
> Well, I created the two that there seemed to be consensus around. I'm
> glad to add the others too once it's figured out exactly what they
> should be. One thing to keep in mind is that they need not be created
> a priori - you might just let some issues flow in and create the
> categories lazily as patterns develop too.
>
> --tim
>
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
Please don't top-post.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suggest one jira project called MENTOR, and another called COMDEV. I
> think we should present brand new mentees with as little jargon as
> possible.
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Kathey Marsden
> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Tim Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Kathey Marsden
>>> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal.
>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group.
>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
>>>>>> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting
>>>>>> proposals.
>>>>>> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does someone have admin privs to add components to Jira for COMDEV. I
>>>> would
>>>> like to add a MENTORING_PROJECT component and there should probably be
>>>> one
>>>> for WEBSITE and perhaps OUTREACH.
>>>> For MENTORING_PROJECT's, it might be interesting to look at the work flow
>>>> options in Jira too so we can record acceptance, mid-term review
>>>> submitted,
>>>> passed etc.
>>>>
>>>> I have not played with the admin functions of Jira before but would be
>>>> willing to volunteer as admin and look at what COMDEV specific we need if
>>>> that seems appropriate.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know much about commdev (just subscribed) but I think I have
>>> karma to add components to JIRA if it's desired?
>>> --tim
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That would be great if you could add the three above for starters and then
>> Jayraram can log his issue.
>> Kathey
Well, I created the two that there seemed to be consensus around. I'm
glad to add the others too once it's figured out exactly what they
should be. One thing to keep in mind is that they need not be created
a priori - you might just let some issues flow in and create the
categories lazily as patterns develop too.
--tim
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
I suggest one jira project called MENTOR, and another called COMDEV. I
think we should present brand new mentees with as little jargon as
possible.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Kathey Marsden
<km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Tim Williams wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Kathey Marsden
>> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal.
>>>>>> Also
>>>>>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group.
>>>>>> Please
>>>>>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed
>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The
>>>>> start
>>>>> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
>>>>> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting
>>>>> proposals.
>>>>> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does someone have admin privs to add components to Jira for COMDEV. I
>>> would
>>> like to add a MENTORING_PROJECT component and there should probably be
>>> one
>>> for WEBSITE and perhaps OUTREACH.
>>> For MENTORING_PROJECT's, it might be interesting to look at the work flow
>>> options in Jira too so we can record acceptance, mid-term review
>>> submitted,
>>> passed etc.
>>>
>>> I have not played with the admin functions of Jira before but would be
>>> willing to volunteer as admin and look at what COMDEV specific we need if
>>> that seems appropriate.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know much about commdev (just subscribed) but I think I have
>> karma to add components to JIRA if it's desired?
>> --tim
>>
>>
>
> That would be great if you could add the three above for starters and then
> Jayraram can log his issue.
> Kathey
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
Tim Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Kathey Marsden
> <km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Ross Gardler wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal. Also
>>>>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group. Please
>>>>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed on
>>>> the
>>>> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The
>>>> start
>>>> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
>>>> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting
>>>> proposals.
>>>> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>> Does someone have admin privs to add components to Jira for COMDEV. I would
>> like to add a MENTORING_PROJECT component and there should probably be one
>> for WEBSITE and perhaps OUTREACH.
>> For MENTORING_PROJECT's, it might be interesting to look at the work flow
>> options in Jira too so we can record acceptance, mid-term review submitted,
>> passed etc.
>>
>> I have not played with the admin functions of Jira before but would be
>> willing to volunteer as admin and look at what COMDEV specific we need if
>> that seems appropriate.
>>
>
> I don't know much about commdev (just subscribed) but I think I have
> karma to add components to JIRA if it's desired?
> --tim
>
>
That would be great if you could add the three above for starters and
then Jayraram can log his issue.
Kathey
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Kathey Marsden
<km...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
>>
>> 2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>
>>>
>>> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal. Also
>>>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group. Please
>>>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed on
>>> the
>>> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The
>>> start
>>> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
>>> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting
>>> proposals.
>>> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
>>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>
> Does someone have admin privs to add components to Jira for COMDEV. I would
> like to add a MENTORING_PROJECT component and there should probably be one
> for WEBSITE and perhaps OUTREACH.
> For MENTORING_PROJECT's, it might be interesting to look at the work flow
> options in Jira too so we can record acceptance, mid-term review submitted,
> passed etc.
>
> I have not played with the admin functions of Jira before but would be
> willing to volunteer as admin and look at what COMDEV specific we need if
> that seems appropriate.
I don't know much about commdev (just subscribed) but I think I have
karma to add components to JIRA if it's desired?
--tim
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
Ross Gardler wrote:
> 2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
>
>> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal. Also
>>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group. Please
>>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed on the
>> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The start
>> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
>> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting proposals.
>> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
>>
>
>
> +1
>
Does someone have admin privs to add components to Jira for COMDEV. I
would like to add a MENTORING_PROJECT component and there should
probably be one for WEBSITE and perhaps OUTREACH.
For MENTORING_PROJECT's, it might be interesting to look at the work
flow options in Jira too so we can record acceptance, mid-term review
submitted, passed etc.
I have not played with the admin functions of Jira before but would be
willing to volunteer as admin and look at what COMDEV specific we need
if that seems appropriate.
Thanks
Kathey
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Ross Gardler <ro...@googlemail.com>.
2009/12/7 Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>:
> Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal. Also
>> as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group. Please
>> find the attached proposal text file.
>>
>
> Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed on the
> dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted. The start
> date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
> I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting proposals.
> Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for this?
+1
we probably need to formalise the acceptance policy, but for this firs
tone lets go with lazy consensus since Kathey is a ComDev PMC member
(I guess I should post the vote results before saying that ;-)
Ross
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
Jayaram Subramanian wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal.
> Also as explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group.
> Please find the attached proposal text file.
>
Thank you Jayaram. The proposal looks fine to me and as we discussed on
the dev list is I think a good amount of work for the time alloted.
The start date is good too as I will be out from Dec 21 - Jan 3.
I don't know if we reached agreement on a method for submitting
proposals. Is it ok for Jayaram to go ahead and file a Jira issue for
this?
Thanks
Kathey
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Jayaram Subramanian <rs...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for the opportunity given to me for submitting my proposal. Also as
explained below i have subscribed myself to apache dev group. Please find
the attached proposal text file.
With Regards
Jayaram
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ross Gardler <ro...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> 2009/12/1 Jayaram Subramanian <rs...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi,
> > I am an IT professional trying to build my career in Java and i want to
> be a
> > mentee under Katherine Marsden in Apache mentoring program. Please let me
> > know of any other things required.
>
> Welcome Jayraram,
>
> I'm assuming that you are the person that Kathey had already mentioned
> to us and therefore Kathey has already agreed to be your mentor.
>
> The first thing you need to do is subscribe to this list, I moderated
> this message through and ensured your email remains in the to field,
> but it will be much easier for us if you subscribe by sending an email
> to dev-subscribe@community.apache.org
>
> As Kathey will have already explained we are at a very early stage of
> development for this project, although we have a great deal of
> experience mentoring through the Google Summer of Code programme. Our
> mentoring programme will be informed by that programme, but as our
> first mentee you have the honour of working with us whilst we define
> the process. In other words, your feedback on the process during and
> after completion will be very valuable to us.
>
> I've written an initial outline for the writing of a proposal on our
> webiste. It should sync to the site within the hour, but for now the
> text is pasted below. From this text you will see that you need to
> outline your project and submit it to this list (after having agreed
> it with your mentor on the appropriate project list).
>
> h1. Mentoring Programme Application Procedure
>
> Applying for the Apache Mentoring Programme is simple. This page will
> take you through the steps:
>
> # Join the dev@community.apache.org mailing list by sending a mail to
> dev-subscribe@community.apache.org
> # If you know what Apache Project you want to work on send a note
> indicating your interest in that project
> # If you don't know what project you want to work on send a note
> indicating your interests and skills and we'll try and match you to a
> suitable project
> # Submit your project proposal (see below) to that list
> # People on the list will help you find a mentor
> # Liaise with the mentor to refine your proposal (this will usually
> happen on the appropriate project mailing list)
> # Submit your final proposal and your mentors agreement to
> dev@community.apache.org
> # That's it, you are ready to go
>
> h2. Project proposal
>
> Your project proposal should include:
>
> * Your full name
> * Apache Project of interest
> * Name of mentor if you have one (we will help you find one if you
> have not yet identified a mentor)
> * Expected deliverables
> * Expected benefits to the Apache Community as a result of your work
> * Detailed description and high level design for your proposed solution
> * Approximate number of hours you intend to work on the project each
> week and the number of weeks you expect it to take
> * A description of why you want to undertake this project and what
> you hope to gain from it and the mentor programme
> * A brief CV of your skills
>
> Note, we do not expect people to come to our mentor programme with a
> full armoury of skills. This programme is designed to help people
> engage with Apache projects. However, we do expect people to have
> sufficient technical skills to understand the guidance that the mentor
> and project community will provide. We are not here to teach basic
> programming skills, rather we are here to teach the application of
> those skills to an Apache Project.
>
> h3. Identifying a project
>
> We hope to provide a list of suitable projects here in the future. For
> now it is up to you to find suitable projects. Here are a few tips on
> how to do this:
>
> * Use the issue tracker for the project to find bugs or feature
> requests that look like they are appropriate to your skills (with some
> guidance from the mentor)
> * Ask on the relevant project list for guidance, mentioning that you
> hope to participate in the mentoring programme
> * Make a proposal based on your own needs and objectives (note that
> the mentor must agree that there is a need for this within the Apache
> Project)
> * Monitor the project developer and mailing lists for common feature
> requests
>
> Ross
>
>
> >
> > With Regards
> > Jayaram
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler
>
> OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research
> http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk
>
Re: Apache mentoring program
Posted by Ross Gardler <ro...@googlemail.com>.
2009/12/1 Jayaram Subramanian <rs...@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
> I am an IT professional trying to build my career in Java and i want to be a
> mentee under Katherine Marsden in Apache mentoring program. Please let me
> know of any other things required.
Welcome Jayraram,
I'm assuming that you are the person that Kathey had already mentioned
to us and therefore Kathey has already agreed to be your mentor.
The first thing you need to do is subscribe to this list, I moderated
this message through and ensured your email remains in the to field,
but it will be much easier for us if you subscribe by sending an email
to dev-subscribe@community.apache.org
As Kathey will have already explained we are at a very early stage of
development for this project, although we have a great deal of
experience mentoring through the Google Summer of Code programme. Our
mentoring programme will be informed by that programme, but as our
first mentee you have the honour of working with us whilst we define
the process. In other words, your feedback on the process during and
after completion will be very valuable to us.
I've written an initial outline for the writing of a proposal on our
webiste. It should sync to the site within the hour, but for now the
text is pasted below. From this text you will see that you need to
outline your project and submit it to this list (after having agreed
it with your mentor on the appropriate project list).
h1. Mentoring Programme Application Procedure
Applying for the Apache Mentoring Programme is simple. This page will
take you through the steps:
# Join the dev@community.apache.org mailing list by sending a mail to
dev-subscribe@community.apache.org
# If you know what Apache Project you want to work on send a note
indicating your interest in that project
# If you don't know what project you want to work on send a note
indicating your interests and skills and we'll try and match you to a
suitable project
# Submit your project proposal (see below) to that list
# People on the list will help you find a mentor
# Liaise with the mentor to refine your proposal (this will usually
happen on the appropriate project mailing list)
# Submit your final proposal and your mentors agreement to
dev@community.apache.org
# That's it, you are ready to go
h2. Project proposal
Your project proposal should include:
* Your full name
* Apache Project of interest
* Name of mentor if you have one (we will help you find one if you
have not yet identified a mentor)
* Expected deliverables
* Expected benefits to the Apache Community as a result of your work
* Detailed description and high level design for your proposed solution
* Approximate number of hours you intend to work on the project each
week and the number of weeks you expect it to take
* A description of why you want to undertake this project and what
you hope to gain from it and the mentor programme
* A brief CV of your skills
Note, we do not expect people to come to our mentor programme with a
full armoury of skills. This programme is designed to help people
engage with Apache projects. However, we do expect people to have
sufficient technical skills to understand the guidance that the mentor
and project community will provide. We are not here to teach basic
programming skills, rather we are here to teach the application of
those skills to an Apache Project.
h3. Identifying a project
We hope to provide a list of suitable projects here in the future. For
now it is up to you to find suitable projects. Here are a few tips on
how to do this:
* Use the issue tracker for the project to find bugs or feature
requests that look like they are appropriate to your skills (with some
guidance from the mentor)
* Ask on the relevant project list for guidance, mentioning that you
hope to participate in the mentoring programme
* Make a proposal based on your own needs and objectives (note that
the mentor must agree that there is a need for this within the Apache
Project)
* Monitor the project developer and mailing lists for common feature requests
Ross
>
> With Regards
> Jayaram
>
--
Ross Gardler
OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research
http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk