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[VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Hi folks,
We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
else.
So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
4 *don't change *the framework's name
5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
some *other choices*!
Background on the first three choices:
*Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
or acting as the heart of the business.
*Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
*Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
was an Egyptian goddess [5].
For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
happy with.
Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
Thanks
Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
[2]
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
[4]
https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
[5]
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
.
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Intend to keep the vote going for another week [1], [2], but here's how
things currently stand:
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Patrick
2. Alma : Johan*, Joerg*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Brian K, Fernando, Martin
Hesse,
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
Dan indicated "Alma" as his second favorite; conversely Joerg, Oscar and
Struberg all listed "Causeway" as their second favourite.
As things stand, "Alma" currently looks like the strong favourite.
Brian did note [3] that there is a recently released linux distro
(superceding CentOS and RHEL, so likely to become well known), called
"AlmaLinux". Food for thought.
Thanks
Dan
[1] dev vote thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/k5bfzho5tpql2cpk16popp9d6x8rghod
[2] users vote thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/jm3p8cnyx7o9qf8fdxt4gnv1hyc54k5s
[3]
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/05/28/1649229/how-centos-stream-and-rhel-9-led-to-almalinux-9?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
On Tue, 31 May 2022 at 16:59, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD <
Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> My favorite is ALMA with CAUSEWAY a close second.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian
> goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of
> the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and
> techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> > process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> > informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a few
> > front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal then
> > you can vote for something else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> > framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> > to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
> > me some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> > pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> > the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> > "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> > also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> > mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> Japanese words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> > the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> > original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> > Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> > well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> > change that no-one is happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> > open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> > to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHS
> > bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-
> > code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-
> > spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess
> > %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
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Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Intend to keep the vote going for another week [1], [2], but here's how
things currently stand:
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Patrick
2. Alma : Johan*, Joerg*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Brian K, Fernando, Martin
Hesse,
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
Dan indicated "Alma" as his second favorite; conversely Joerg, Oscar and
Struberg all listed "Causeway" as their second favourite.
As things stand, "Alma" currently looks like the strong favourite.
Brian did note [3] that there is a recently released linux distro
(superceding CentOS and RHEL, so likely to become well known), called
"AlmaLinux". Food for thought.
Thanks
Dan
[1] dev vote thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/k5bfzho5tpql2cpk16popp9d6x8rghod
[2] users vote thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread/jm3p8cnyx7o9qf8fdxt4gnv1hyc54k5s
[3]
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/05/28/1649229/how-centos-stream-and-rhel-9-led-to-almalinux-9?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
On Tue, 31 May 2022 at 16:59, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD <
Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> My favorite is ALMA with CAUSEWAY a close second.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian
> goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of
> the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and
> techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> > process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> > informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a few
> > front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal then
> > you can vote for something else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> > framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> > to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
> > me some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> > pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> > the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> > "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> > also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> > mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> Japanese words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> > the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> > original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> > Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> > well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> > change that no-one is happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> > open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> > to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHS
> > bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-
> > code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-
> > spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess
> > %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
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> 812773878.
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> Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel,
> Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
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> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold,
> Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
> Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
>
> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in
> Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431
> HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten
> unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2
> SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25
> Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis,
> mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite
> als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
OK, thanks Joerg.
That means that Causeway and Alma are pretty much neck and neck ...
preferences thus far are:
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Patrick, Martin W
2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Brian K, Fernando, Martin H
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 11:20, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD <
Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
>
> (there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
> -j
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and
> without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt
> correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or
> unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal
> connection too.
>
> /Martin Willitts
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> > An: users@isis.apache.org
> > Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > "Alma" means different things to different people.
> > As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
> >
> > The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the
> Egyptian goddess will stay.
> > So, there is no need to change the name.
> >
> > "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> > Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
> >
> > A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas
> of the framework.
> > Apache Isis website states:
> >
> > "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> > end of
> > the day what really matters is communication between the domain
> experts
> > (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> > implementing it."
> >
> > The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business
> and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
> >
> > Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Patrick
> >
> > Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> process
> >>
> >> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
> >> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
> >> then you can vote for something else.
> >>
> >> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >>
> >> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> >> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> >> to Apache *Kokoro*
> >> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
> >> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
> >>
> >> Background on the first three choices:
> >>
> >> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> >> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> >> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> >> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
> >>
> >> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> >> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> >> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to
> DDD.
> >>
> >> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> >> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> Japanese words.
> >>
> >> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> >> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> >> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> >> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >>
> >> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> >> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> >> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> >> change that no-one is happy with.
> >>
> >> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> >> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> >> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> >> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >> [2]
> >> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
> >> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >> [3]
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
> >> -
> >> code_poet-4.jpg
> >> [4]
> >> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
> >> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >> [5]
> >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
> >> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >> .
> >>
> >
> > Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
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> Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel,
> Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> > Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> > Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold,
> Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
> Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
> >
> > Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in
> Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431
> HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten
> unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2
> SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25
> Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis,
> mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite
> als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
OK, thanks Joerg.
That means that Causeway and Alma are pretty much neck and neck ...
preferences thus far are:
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Patrick, Martin W
2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Brian K, Fernando, Martin H
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 11:20, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD <
Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
>
> (there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
> -j
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and
> without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt
> correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or
> unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal
> connection too.
>
> /Martin Willitts
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> > An: users@isis.apache.org
> > Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
> >
> > EXTERNAL EMAIL
> >
> > "Alma" means different things to different people.
> > As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
> >
> > The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the
> Egyptian goddess will stay.
> > So, there is no need to change the name.
> >
> > "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> > Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
> >
> > A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas
> of the framework.
> > Apache Isis website states:
> >
> > "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> > end of
> > the day what really matters is communication between the domain
> experts
> > (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> > implementing it."
> >
> > The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business
> and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
> >
> > Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Patrick
> >
> > Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> process
> >>
> >> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
> >> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
> >> then you can vote for something else.
> >>
> >> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >>
> >> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> >> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> >> to Apache *Kokoro*
> >> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
> >> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
> >>
> >> Background on the first three choices:
> >>
> >> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> >> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> >> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> >> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
> >>
> >> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> >> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> >> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to
> DDD.
> >>
> >> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> >> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> Japanese words.
> >>
> >> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> >> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> >> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> >> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >>
> >> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> >> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> >> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> >> change that no-one is happy with.
> >>
> >> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> >> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> >> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> >> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >> [2]
> >> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
> >> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >> [3]
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
> >> -
> >> code_poet-4.jpg
> >> [4]
> >> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
> >> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >> [5]
> >> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
> >> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >> .
> >>
> >
> > Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> > Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE
> 812773878.
> > Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Holger Ketz (Vors.), Simon
> Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel,
> Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> > Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform:
> Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745,
> Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> > Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold,
> Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten,
> Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
> >
> > Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen
> Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in
> Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431
> HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten
> unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2
> SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25
> Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis,
> mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite
> als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
>
>
AW: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by "Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD" <Jo...@Kuehne-Nagel.com>.
I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
(there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
-j
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
An: users@isis.apache.org
Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
EXTERNAL EMAIL
Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal connection too.
/Martin Willitts
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>>
>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
>> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
>> then you can vote for something else.
>>
>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>
>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
>> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
>> to Apache *Kokoro*
>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
>> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
>>
>> Background on the first three choices:
>>
>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
>> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
>> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>>
>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
>> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
>> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>
>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>>
>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
>> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
>> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
>> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>
>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
>> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
>> change that no-one is happy with.
>>
>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
>> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> [2]
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
>> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
>> -
>> code_poet-4.jpg
>> [4]
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
>> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> [5]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
>> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> .
>>
>
> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE 812773878.
> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Holger Ketz (Vors.), Simon Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel, Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform: Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745, Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold, Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten, Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
>
> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431 HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2 SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25 Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis, mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
AW: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by "Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD" <Jo...@Kuehne-Nagel.com>.
I changed my mind - my favorite now is CAUSEWAY.
(there is a reason to follow this path ;-)
-j
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Mai 2022 22:08
An: users@isis.apache.org
Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
EXTERNAL EMAIL
Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal connection too.
/Martin Willitts
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>>
>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a
>> few front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal
>> then you can vote for something else.
>>
>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>
>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
>> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
>> to Apache *Kokoro*
>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name 5. do change the framework's
>> name, but I don't like any of them, give me some *other choices*!
>>
>> Background on the first three choices:
>>
>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
>> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
>> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>>
>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
>> The metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
>> hexagons also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>
>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>>
>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
>> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
>> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
>> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>
>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
>> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
>> change that no-one is happy with.
>>
>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
>> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> [2]
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbH
>> S bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway
>> -
>> code_poet-4.jpg
>> [4]
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and
>> - spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> [5]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddes
>> s %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> .
>>
>
> Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG
> Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE 812773878.
> Geschäftsleitung Kühne + Nagel (AG & Co.) KG: Holger Ketz (Vors.), Simon Bitter, Martin Brinkmann, Lars-Olof Grün, Matthias Knicky, Axel Krichel, Johannes Trimborn, Lars Wedel.
> Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: Kühne & Nagel A.G., Rechtsform: Aktiengesellschaft nach luxemburgischem Recht, HR-Nr.: B 18745, Geschäftsführendes Verwaltungsratsmitglied: Karl Gernandt.
> Geschäftsleitung Region Europa: Dr. Hansjörg Rodi (Vors.), Ants Anupold, Dominic Edmonds, Thierry Held, Richard Huhn, Jan-Hendrik Köstergarten, Nicholas Minde, André Schiffer, Heiko Schuhmacher.
>
> Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431 HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2 SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25 Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis, mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>.
Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal connection too.
/Martin Willitts
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>>
>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a few
>> front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal then
>> you can vote for something else.
>>
>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>
>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
>> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
>> to Apache *Kokoro*
>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
>> me some *other choices*!
>>
>> Background on the first three choices:
>>
>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
>> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
>> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>>
>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
>> also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>
>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>>
>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
>> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
>> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
>> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>
>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
>> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
>> change that no-one is happy with.
>>
>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
>> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> [2]
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHS
>> bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-
>> code_poet-4.jpg
>> [4]
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-
>> spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> [5]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess
>> %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> .
>>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Martin Willitts <ma...@zedify.co.uk>.
Causeway is increasingly becoming my favourite. It’s easy to say with and without Apache first. It’s a well known word which it will be spelt correctly more easily. It doesn’t seem to come up as having weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like the hexagonal connection too.
/Martin Willitts
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
> An: users@isis.apache.org
> Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
>
> EXTERNAL EMAIL
>
> "Alma" means different things to different people.
> As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
>
> The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
> So, there is no need to change the name.
>
> "Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
> Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
>
> A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
> Apache Isis website states:
>
> "But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
> end of
> the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
> (that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
> implementing it."
>
> The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
>
> Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
>
> Thanks
> Patrick
>
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>>
>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a few
>> front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal then
>> you can vote for something else.
>>
>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>
>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
>> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
>> to Apache *Kokoro*
>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
>> me some *other choices*!
>>
>> Background on the first three choices:
>>
>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
>> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
>> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>>
>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
>> also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>
>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>>
>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
>> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
>> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
>> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>
>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
>> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
>> change that no-one is happy with.
>>
>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
>> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> [2]
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHS
>> bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-
>> code_poet-4.jpg
>> [4]
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-
>> spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> [5]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess
>> %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> .
>>
>
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>
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AW: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by "Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD" <Jo...@Kuehne-Nagel.com>.
My favorite is ALMA with CAUSEWAY a close second.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
An: users@isis.apache.org
Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
EXTERNAL EMAIL
"Alma" means different things to different people.
As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
So, there is no need to change the name.
"Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
Apache Isis website states:
"But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
end of
the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
(that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
implementing it."
The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
Thanks
Patrick
Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a few
> front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal then
> you can vote for something else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
> me some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> change that no-one is happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHS
> bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-
> code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-
> spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess
> %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
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AW: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by "Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham MI-DD" <Jo...@Kuehne-Nagel.com>.
My favorite is ALMA with CAUSEWAY a close second.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 11:13
An: users@isis.apache.org
Cc: dev@isis.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
EXTERNAL EMAIL
"Alma" means different things to different people.
As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the Egyptian goddess will stay.
So, there is no need to change the name.
"Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas of the framework.
Apache Isis website states:
"But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
end of
the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
(that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
implementing it."
The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
Thanks
Patrick
Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> informally/offline with the other committers, we think there are a few
> front-runners. So the vote below lists these, but if none appeal then
> you can vote for something else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* 2. change the
> framework's name to Apache *Causeway* 3. change the framework's name
> to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
> me some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> pole) within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> the soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> "alma mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology, or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> also are reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> mind, body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> the name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> original authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> Isis of course was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> well, we'll go round the loop - we don't want to force through a
> change that no-one is happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> open longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> to hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHS
> bhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-
> code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-
> spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess
> %20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
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Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft, Bremen HRA 21928, USt-IdNr.: DE 812773878.
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Wir arbeiten ausschließlich auf Grundlage der Allgemeinen Deutschen Spediteurbedingungen 2017 (ADSp 2017). Hinweis: Die ADSp 2017 weichen in Ziffer 23 hinsichtlich des Haftungshöchstbetrages für Güterschäden (§ 431 HGB) vom Gesetz ab, indem sie die Haftung bei multimodalen Transporten unter Einschluss einer Seebeförderung und bei unbekanntem Schadenort auf 2 SZR/kg und im Übrigen die Regelhaftung von 8,33 SZR/kg zusätzlich auf 1,25 Millionen Euro je Schadenfall sowie 2,5 Millionen Euro je Schadenereignis, mindestens aber 2 SZR/kg, beschränken. Die ADSp sind auf unserer Webseite als Download erhältlich. Auf Anfrage senden wir Ihnen diese auch gerne zu.
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>.
"Alma" means different things to different people.
As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the
Egyptian goddess will stay.
So, there is no need to change the name.
"Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas
of the framework.
Apache Isis website states:
"But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
end of
the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
(that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
implementing it."
The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business
and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
Thanks
Patrick
Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Fernando Medeiros Junior <fe...@gmail.com>.
I like apache alma.
And alma in portuguese means soul.
--
Fernando Medeiros
Em qua., 25 de mai. de 2022 às 04:05, Johan Doornenbal <jo...@yodo.nl>
escreveu:
> My preferences in the order of liking are
> [1] alma
> then
> [2] causeway
> and
> [3] kokoro
>
> Best regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Johan Doornenbal
>
>
> M 06 227 666 28
>
> johan@yodo.nl <jo...@filternet.nl>
>
> www.yodo.nl
>
>
> Griene Daam 7
>
> 9084 DG Goutum
>
>
> Op di 24 mei 2022 om 10:47 schreef Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Óscar Bou <os...@gmail.com>.
Dear all,
My preferences:
1. Alma.
2.Causeway.
3. Kokoro.
Loving all similes with Isis capabilities.
Cheers,
Oscar
El mié, 25 may 2022 a las 9:05, Johan Doornenbal (<jo...@yodo.nl>) escribió:
> My preferences in the order of liking are
> [1] alma
> then
> [2] causeway
> and
> [3] kokoro
>
> Best regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Johan Doornenbal
>
>
> M 06 227 666 28
>
> johan@yodo.nl <jo...@filternet.nl>
>
> www.yodo.nl
>
>
> Griene Daam 7
>
> 9084 DG Goutum
>
>
> Op di 24 mei 2022 om 10:47 schreef Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Fernando Medeiros Junior <fe...@gmail.com>.
I like apache alma.
And alma in portuguese means soul.
--
Fernando Medeiros
Em qua., 25 de mai. de 2022 às 04:05, Johan Doornenbal <jo...@yodo.nl>
escreveu:
> My preferences in the order of liking are
> [1] alma
> then
> [2] causeway
> and
> [3] kokoro
>
> Best regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Johan Doornenbal
>
>
> M 06 227 666 28
>
> johan@yodo.nl <jo...@filternet.nl>
>
> www.yodo.nl
>
>
> Griene Daam 7
>
> 9084 DG Goutum
>
>
> Op di 24 mei 2022 om 10:47 schreef Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Óscar Bou <os...@gmail.com>.
Dear all,
My preferences:
1. Alma.
2.Causeway.
3. Kokoro.
Loving all similes with Isis capabilities.
Cheers,
Oscar
El mié, 25 may 2022 a las 9:05, Johan Doornenbal (<jo...@yodo.nl>) escribió:
> My preferences in the order of liking are
> [1] alma
> then
> [2] causeway
> and
> [3] kokoro
>
> Best regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
>
> Johan Doornenbal
>
>
> M 06 227 666 28
>
> johan@yodo.nl <jo...@filternet.nl>
>
> www.yodo.nl
>
>
> Griene Daam 7
>
> 9084 DG Goutum
>
>
> Op di 24 mei 2022 om 10:47 schreef Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Johan Doornenbal <jo...@yodo.nl>.
My preferences in the order of liking are
[1] alma
then
[2] causeway
and
[3] kokoro
Best regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
Johan Doornenbal
M 06 227 666 28
johan@yodo.nl <jo...@filternet.nl>
www.yodo.nl
Griene Daam 7
9084 DG Goutum
Op di 24 mei 2022 om 10:47 schreef Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
>:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Stephen Cameron <st...@gmail.com>.
Apache Homerun
Home for objects (metamodel abased)
Efficient
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:27 AM Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What about Apache Chalk, or Chalkboard, or ChalkUI ?
>
> The idea being that with chalk, you can quickly and creatively draw up
> or make up any picture. So it is with Apache ISIS, that it is quick to
> create and maintain creative UIs.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
>
> On 25/05/2022 2:29 am, Stefano Cascarini wrote:
> > The word Alma does have a little baggage though. There are quite a few
> > 'Alma' roads in the UK to commemorate the battle.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alma
> >
> > On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 17:23, Brian K <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I like Apache Alma (#1). I didn't see the meaning until the phrase
> "Alma
> >> Mater" was mentioned. Also, I wonder if it would be appropriating to
> say
> >> we had an AA meeting so we can stay DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) ?
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:47 AM Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> process
> >>>
> >>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> >>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> >> the
> >>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> >> something
> >>> else.
> >>>
> >>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >>>
> >>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> >>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> >>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> >>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give
> me
> >>> some *other choices*!
> >>>
> >>> Background on the first three choices:
> >>>
> >>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> >>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> >>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> >>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> technology,
> >>> or acting as the heart of the business.
> >>>
> >>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> >>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> >> are
> >>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >>>
> >>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> >>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> >> words.
> >>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> >>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> >>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> >> course
> >>> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >>>
> >>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> >> sense
> >>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> >> we'll
> >>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> >> is
> >>> happy with.
> >>>
> >>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> open
> >>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> >>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good
> to
> >>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >>> [2]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >>> [3]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> >>> [4]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >>> [5]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >>> .
> >>>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Andrew
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Andrew Voumard <an...@melbpc.org.au>.
Hi,
What about Apache Chalk, or Chalkboard, or ChalkUI ?
The idea being that with chalk, you can quickly and creatively draw up
or make up any picture. So it is with Apache ISIS, that it is quick to
create and maintain creative UIs.
Thanks
Andrew
On 25/05/2022 2:29 am, Stefano Cascarini wrote:
> The word Alma does have a little baggage though. There are quite a few
> 'Alma' roads in the UK to commemorate the battle.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alma
>
> On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 17:23, Brian K <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I like Apache Alma (#1). I didn't see the meaning until the phrase "Alma
>> Mater" was mentioned. Also, I wonder if it would be appropriating to say
>> we had an AA meeting so we can stay DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) ?
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:47 AM Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>>>
>>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
>>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
>> the
>>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
>> something
>>> else.
>>>
>>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>>
>>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
>>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
>>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
>>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
>>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
>>> some *other choices*!
>>>
>>> Background on the first three choices:
>>>
>>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
>>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
>>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
>>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology,
>>> or acting as the heart of the business.
>>>
>>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
>>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
>> are
>>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>>
>>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
>>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
>> words.
>>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
>>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
>>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
>> course
>>> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>>
>>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense
>>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
>> we'll
>>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
>> is
>>> happy with.
>>>
>>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
>>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
>>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>>> [2]
>>>
>>>
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>>> [3]
>>>
>>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
>>> [4]
>>>
>>>
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>>> [5]
>>>
>>>
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>>> .
>>>
--
Thanks
Andrew
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Stefano Cascarini <st...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
The word Alma does have a little baggage though. There are quite a few
'Alma' roads in the UK to commemorate the battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alma
On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 17:23, Brian K <ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like Apache Alma (#1). I didn't see the meaning until the phrase "Alma
> Mater" was mentioned. Also, I wonder if it would be appropriating to say
> we had an AA meeting so we can stay DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) ?
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:47 AM Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Brian K <ha...@gmail.com>.
I like Apache Alma (#1). I didn't see the meaning until the phrase "Alma
Mater" was mentioned. Also, I wonder if it would be appropriating to say
we had an AA meeting so we can stay DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) ?
On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:47 AM Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Alexander Krasnukhin <th...@apache.org>.
Hi,
0. NakedObjects (you are always in my heart)
1. Alma (write what you hear, very short)
2. Causeway (hardest one to write for non-native speakers)
3. Kokoro (sounds funny)
On 2022/05/24 08:46:53 Dan Haywood wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>.
"Alma" means different things to different people.
As such it doesn't really transport a single idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alma
The islamic state "Isis" is a trend. But the River Thames and the
Egyptian goddess will stay.
So, there is no need to change the name.
"Kokoro" is a trendy Japanese word.
Apache Isis will hopefully live longer than this trend.
A "Causeway" is here to stay and it transports quite a few simple ideas
of the framework.
Apache Isis website states:
"But let’s not get distracted talking about methodologies. At the
end of
the day what really matters is communication between the domain experts
(that is, the business) who need the system and the techies actually
implementing it."
The whole idea of the framwork is "to bridge" the gap between business
and techies. A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value.
Hence, I prefer Causeway or stay with Isis.
Thanks
Patrick
Am 24.05.2022 um 10:46 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
On our slack channel, Andi has suggested perhaps setting a deadline of 14
days would be a good idea. That makes sense to me (formally, we only need
the vote open for 72 hours but a longer and bounded time period I think is
appropriate here).
So, I'll look to close this thread 14 days from now, hopefully a consensus
will have become apparent.
Thanks
Dan
On Tue, 24 May 2022 at 10:08, Andi Huber <ah...@apache.org> wrote:
> No, I have no second or third preference from the list, but maybe I'll
> refine my vote on new suggestions.
> Andi
>
> On 2022/05/24 08:59:08 Dan Haywood wrote:
> > Any second or third preferences, Andi?
> >
> > On Tue, 24 May 2022, 09:53 Andi Huber, <ah...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Voting for [2] (Causeway).
> > > Cheers Andi
> > >
> > > On 2022/05/24 08:46:53 Dan Haywood wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> process
> > > >
> > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> informally/offline
> > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
> So
> > > the
> > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > > something
> > > > else.
> > > >
> > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > > >
> > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> give me
> > > > some *other choices*!
> > > >
> > > > Background on the first three choices:
> > > >
> > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> pole)
> > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > > technology,
> > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > > >
> > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> The
> > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> also
> > > are
> > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > > >
> > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> mind,
> > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > > words.
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> the
> > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> > > course
> > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > > >
> > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > > sense
> > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> > > we'll
> > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> no-one
> > > is
> > > > happy with.
> > > >
> > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> open
> > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> good to
> > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > > [4]
> > > >
> > >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > > [5]
> > > >
> > >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > > .
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Andi Huber <ah...@apache.org>.
No, I have no second or third preference from the list, but maybe I'll refine my vote on new suggestions.
Andi
On 2022/05/24 08:59:08 Dan Haywood wrote:
> Any second or third preferences, Andi?
>
> On Tue, 24 May 2022, 09:53 Andi Huber, <ah...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Voting for [2] (Causeway).
> > Cheers Andi
> >
> > On 2022/05/24 08:46:53 Dan Haywood wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> > >
> > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> > the
> > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > something
> > > else.
> > >
> > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > >
> > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > > some *other choices*!
> > >
> > > Background on the first three choices:
> > >
> > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > technology,
> > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > >
> > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> > are
> > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > >
> > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > words.
> > >
> > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> > course
> > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > >
> > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > sense
> > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> > we'll
> > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> > is
> > > happy with.
> > >
> > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > [2]
> > >
> > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > [3]
> > >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > [4]
> > >
> > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > [5]
> > >
> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > .
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
For myself, I think it's currently:
Causeway, then
Alma, then
Kokoro.
But I reserve the right to change my mind later on this thread, it's a
close call and I like them all.
On Tue, 24 May 2022, 09:59 Dan Haywood, <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Any second or third preferences, Andi?
>
> On Tue, 24 May 2022, 09:53 Andi Huber, <ah...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Voting for [2] (Causeway).
>> Cheers Andi
>>
>> On 2022/05/24 08:46:53 Dan Haywood wrote:
>> > Hi folks,
>> >
>> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>> >
>> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
>> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
>> the
>> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
>> something
>> > else.
>> >
>> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>> >
>> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
>> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
>> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
>> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
>> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
>> > some *other choices*!
>> >
>> > Background on the first three choices:
>> >
>> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
>> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
>> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
>> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> technology,
>> > or acting as the heart of the business.
>> >
>> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
>> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
>> are
>> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>> >
>> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
>> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
>> words.
>> >
>> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
>> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
>> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
>> course
>> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>> >
>> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>> sense
>> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
>> we'll
>> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
>> is
>> > happy with.
>> >
>> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open
>> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
>> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> > [2]
>> >
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> > [3]
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
>> > [4]
>> >
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> > [5]
>> >
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> > .
>> >
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Any second or third preferences, Andi?
On Tue, 24 May 2022, 09:53 Andi Huber, <ah...@apache.org> wrote:
> Voting for [2] (Causeway).
> Cheers Andi
>
> On 2022/05/24 08:46:53 Dan Haywood wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So
> the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Andi Huber <ah...@apache.org>.
Voting for [2] (Causeway).
Cheers Andi
On 2022/05/24 08:46:53 Dan Haywood wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@gmail.com>.
My preference is similar to Kevin:
[1] alma then [2] causeway and [3] kokoro
Cheers,
Bilgin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 8:26 AM Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za> wrote:
> My preferences in the order of liking are [1] alma then [2] causeway and
> [3] kokoro
>
> My real preference is not to change it at all, but I'm voting as above.
>
> On 24 May 2022 10:46:53 GMT+02:00, Dan Haywood <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> >There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> >with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> >vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> >else.
> >
> >So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> >1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> >3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> >4 *don't change *the framework's name
> >5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> >some *other choices*!
> >
> >Background on the first three choices:
> >
> >*Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> >within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> >soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> >mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> >or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> >*Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> >metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> >reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> >*Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> >body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> >In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> >name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> >authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> >was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> >For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> >to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> >go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> >happy with.
> >
> >Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> >longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> >Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> >hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> >[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >[2]
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >[3]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> >[4]
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >[5]
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >.
>
> --
> Sent from my phone with K-9 Mail.
> Please excuse my brevity.
>
--
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Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Kevin Meyer <ke...@kmz.co.za>.
My preferences in the order of liking are [1] alma then [2] causeway and [3] kokoro
My real preference is not to change it at all, but I'm voting as above.
On 24 May 2022 10:46:53 GMT+02:00, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
>There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
>with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
>vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
>else.
>
>So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
>1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
>2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
>3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
>4 *don't change *the framework's name
>5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
>some *other choices*!
>
>Background on the first three choices:
>
>*Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
>within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
>soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
>mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
>or acting as the heart of the business.
>
>*Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
>metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
>reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
>*Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
>body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
>In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
>name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
>authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
>was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
>For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
>to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
>go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
>happy with.
>
>Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
>longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
>Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
>hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
>Thanks
>Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
>[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>[2]
>https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>[3]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
>[4]
>https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>[5]
>https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>.
--
Sent from my phone with K-9 Mail.
Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Brian K <ha...@gmail.com>.
The many faces of Alma... Let me change my non-binding vote to Causeway.
If I was browsing apache projects from the list, I might look at Alma
because it would be near the top of their alphabetical list, but I would
look at Causeway because it sounds like it would get me somewhere. It
would be easy to introduce it to a project team: "We'll build this on
Apache Causeway"
-Brian
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 PM Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi Patrick
> perhaps you could cross post this also to slack where more users tend to
> hang out?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 08:37, Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I thought I put down here some more meanings of Alma in addition to
> > those already mentioned, in order to allow for hypothetical voices of
> > international users not in the loop.
> >
> > Hebrew: young woman,
> > Italian: fruitful,
> > Hungarian: apple,
> > Arab: on the water,
> > in the antiquity: deity of/for fertility, sex, pregnancy, childbirth
> > (therefore 'alma mater')
> > Turkish: unity of volume
> > animal family of segmented worms (Latin: Almidae), home in Ethiopia
> > legendary man-beast in the world east of Moskow, west of Ulan Bator and
> > north of Theran (similar to: Yeti, Bigfoot, Skunk Ape) [1]
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > [1]
> > A russian imperial geographer described the alma as:
> > "We were told that it had a flat face like that of a human being, and
> > that it often walked on two legs, that its body was covered with a thick
> > black fur, and its feet armed with enormous claws; that its strength was
> > terrible, and that not only were hunters afraid of attacking it, but
> > that the inhabitants removed their habitations from those parts of the
> > country which it visited"
> >
> >
> > Am 09.06.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few
> days
> > > more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
> > >
> > > Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due
> diligence
> > on
> > > trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those
> fun
> > > sort of things.
> > >
> > > For now, though here's the current state of play:
> > >
> > > 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> > > Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> > > 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> > > 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
> > >
> > > * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to
> hear
> > > as many voices as possible.
> > >
> > > And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
> as
> > > names:
> > >
> > > Alma +ve
> > > " catchy"
> > > * "write what you hear, very short"
> > > * "alma in portuguese means soul"
> > >
> > > Alma -ve
> > > * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> > > * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> > > * "common word ending up in conflict"
> > > * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the
> UK
> > to
> > > commemorate the battle of Alma"
> > > * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it
> doesn't
> > > really transport a single idea.
> > >
> > > Causeway +ve
> > > * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> > > * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> > > business and techies]"
> > > * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> > > spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I
> like
> > > the hexagonal connection too."
> > >
> > > Causeway -ve
> > > * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> > > * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> > > * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
> > >
> > >
> > > Thx
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Please do.
> > >>
> > >> R
> > >>
> > >>> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
> > Slack
> > >>> ... ?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi All
> > >>>> When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
> > >> ago,
> > >>>> we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> > >> (ported to
> > >>>> .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
> > >> That
> > >>>> name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
> > eyebrows.
> > >>>> Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > >>>> descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it
> from,
> > >> the
> > >>>> task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique
> and
> > >>>> terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
> > >> towns
> > >>>> next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also
> > had
> > >>>> that goddess connection.
> > >>>> After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> > >> associations
> > >>>> matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> > >>>> friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
> > >> many
> > >>>> companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> > >>>> company names over the recent years.
> > >>>> To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> > >>>> wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he
> had
> > >> put
> > >>>> everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his
> Golf
> > >> and
> > >>>> the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> > >> started
> > >>>> with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have
> > the
> > >>>> important part.
> > >>>> To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This
> gets
> > >> my
> > >>>> vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first,
> so:
> > >> 1)
> > >>>> Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > >>>> Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > >>>> Best regards
> > >>>> Robert
> > >>>>> On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi folks,
> > >>>>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see
> for
> > >>>>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> > >> process
> > >>>>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> > >> informally/offline
> > >>>>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
> > >> So the
> > >>>>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > >>>> something
> > >>>>> else.
> > >>>>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > >>>>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > >>>>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > >>>>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > >>>>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > >>>>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> > >> give me
> > >>>>> some *other choices*!
> > >>>>> Background on the first three choices:
> > >>>>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> > >> pole)
> > >>>>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > >>>>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> "alma
> > >>>>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > >>>> technology,
> > >>>>> or acting as the heart of the business.
> > >>>>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > >>>>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> The
> > >>>>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> > >> also
> > >>>> are
> > >>>>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > >>>>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> > >> mind,
> > >>>>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > >>>> words.
> > >>>>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> > >> the
> > >>>>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > >>>>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> > >> course
> > >>>>> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > >>>>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might
> make
> > >>>> sense
> > >>>>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> > >> we'll
> > >>>>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> > >> no-one
> > >>>> is
> > >>>>> happy with.
> > >>>>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this
> one
> > >> open
> > >>>>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> > >> thread.
> > >>>>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> > >> good to
> > >>>>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > >>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > >>>>> [2]
> > >>
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > >>>>> [3]
> > >>
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > >>>>> [4]
> > >>
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > >>>>> [5]
> > >>
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > >>>>> .
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Hi Patrick
perhaps you could cross post this also to slack where more users tend to
hang out?
Thx
Dan
On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 08:37, Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I thought I put down here some more meanings of Alma in addition to
> those already mentioned, in order to allow for hypothetical voices of
> international users not in the loop.
>
> Hebrew: young woman,
> Italian: fruitful,
> Hungarian: apple,
> Arab: on the water,
> in the antiquity: deity of/for fertility, sex, pregnancy, childbirth
> (therefore 'alma mater')
> Turkish: unity of volume
> animal family of segmented worms (Latin: Almidae), home in Ethiopia
> legendary man-beast in the world east of Moskow, west of Ulan Bator and
> north of Theran (similar to: Yeti, Bigfoot, Skunk Ape) [1]
>
> Patrick
>
> [1]
> A russian imperial geographer described the alma as:
> "We were told that it had a flat face like that of a human being, and
> that it often walked on two legs, that its body was covered with a thick
> black fur, and its feet armed with enormous claws; that its strength was
> terrible, and that not only were hunters afraid of attacking it, but
> that the inhabitants removed their habitations from those parts of the
> country which it visited"
>
>
> Am 09.06.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
> > more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
> >
> > Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence
> on
> > trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
> > sort of things.
> >
> > For now, though here's the current state of play:
> >
> > 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> > Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> > 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> > 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
> >
> > * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
> > as many voices as possible.
> >
> > And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
> > names:
> >
> > Alma +ve
> > " catchy"
> > * "write what you hear, very short"
> > * "alma in portuguese means soul"
> >
> > Alma -ve
> > * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> > * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> > * "common word ending up in conflict"
> > * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK
> to
> > commemorate the battle of Alma"
> > * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
> > really transport a single idea.
> >
> > Causeway +ve
> > * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> > * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> > business and techies]"
> > * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> > spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
> > the hexagonal connection too."
> >
> > Causeway -ve
> > * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> > * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> > * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
> >
> >
> > Thx
> > Dan
> >
> > [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Please do.
> >>
> >> R
> >>
> >>> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
> Slack
> >>> ... ?
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi All
> >>>> When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
> >> ago,
> >>>> we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> >> (ported to
> >>>> .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
> >> That
> >>>> name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
> eyebrows.
> >>>> Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> >>>> descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from,
> >> the
> >>>> task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> >>>> terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
> >> towns
> >>>> next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also
> had
> >>>> that goddess connection.
> >>>> After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> >> associations
> >>>> matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> >>>> friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
> >> many
> >>>> companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> >>>> company names over the recent years.
> >>>> To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> >>>> wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had
> >> put
> >>>> everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf
> >> and
> >>>> the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> >> started
> >>>> with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have
> the
> >>>> important part.
> >>>> To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets
> >> my
> >>>> vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so:
> >> 1)
> >>>> Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> >>>> Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> Robert
> >>>>> On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> >>>>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> process
> >>>>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> informally/offline
> >>>>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
> >> So the
> >>>>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> >>>> something
> >>>>> else.
> >>>>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >>>>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >>>>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> >>>>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> >>>>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> >>>>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> >> give me
> >>>>> some *other choices*!
> >>>>> Background on the first three choices:
> >>>>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> >> pole)
> >>>>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> >>>>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> >>>>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >>>> technology,
> >>>>> or acting as the heart of the business.
> >>>>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> >>>>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> >>>>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> >> also
> >>>> are
> >>>>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >>>>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> >> mind,
> >>>>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> >>>> words.
> >>>>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> >> the
> >>>>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> >>>>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> >> course
> >>>>> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >>>>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> >>>> sense
> >>>>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> >> we'll
> >>>>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> >> no-one
> >>>> is
> >>>>> happy with.
> >>>>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> >> open
> >>>>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> >> thread.
> >>>>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> >> good to
> >>>>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >>>>> [2]
> >>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >>>>> [3]
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> >>>>> [4]
> >>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >>>>> [5]
> >>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >>>>> .
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Patrick Pliessnig <p....@gmail.com>.
I thought I put down here some more meanings of Alma in addition to
those already mentioned, in order to allow for hypothetical voices of
international users not in the loop.
Hebrew: young woman,
Italian: fruitful,
Hungarian: apple,
Arab: on the water,
in the antiquity: deity of/for fertility, sex, pregnancy, childbirth
(therefore 'alma mater')
Turkish: unity of volume
animal family of segmented worms (Latin: Almidae), home in Ethiopia
legendary man-beast in the world east of Moskow, west of Ulan Bator and
north of Theran (similar to: Yeti, Bigfoot, Skunk Ape) [1]
Patrick
[1]
A russian imperial geographer described the alma as:
"We were told that it had a flat face like that of a human being, and
that it often walked on two legs, that its body was covered with a thick
black fur, and its feet armed with enormous claws; that its strength was
terrible, and that not only were hunters afraid of attacking it, but
that the inhabitants removed their habitations from those parts of the
country which it visited"
Am 09.06.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Dan Haywood:
> Hi folks,
>
> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
>
> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence on
> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
> sort of things.
>
> For now, though here's the current state of play:
>
> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
>
> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
> as many voices as possible.
>
> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
> names:
>
> Alma +ve
> " catchy"
> * "write what you hear, very short"
> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
>
> Alma -ve
> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> * "common word ending up in conflict"
> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
> commemorate the battle of Alma"
> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
> really transport a single idea.
>
> Causeway +ve
> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> business and techies]"
> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
> the hexagonal connection too."
>
> Causeway -ve
> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
>
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
>
>> Please do.
>>
>> R
>>
>>> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
>>> ... ?
>>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>> When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
>> ago,
>>>> we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
>> (ported to
>>>> .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
>> That
>>>> name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
>>>> Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
>>>> descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from,
>> the
>>>> task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
>>>> terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
>> towns
>>>> next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
>>>> that goddess connection.
>>>> After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
>> associations
>>>> matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
>>>> friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
>> many
>>>> companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
>>>> company names over the recent years.
>>>> To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
>>>> wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had
>> put
>>>> everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf
>> and
>>>> the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
>> started
>>>> with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
>>>> important part.
>>>> To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets
>> my
>>>> vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so:
>> 1)
>>>> Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
>>>> Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Robert
>>>>> On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
>>>>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> process
>>>>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> informally/offline
>>>>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
>> So the
>>>>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
>>>> something
>>>>> else.
>>>>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>>>>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
>>>>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
>>>>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
>>>>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
>>>>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
>> give me
>>>>> some *other choices*!
>>>>> Background on the first three choices:
>>>>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> pole)
>>>>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
>>>>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
>>>>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>>>> technology,
>>>>> or acting as the heart of the business.
>>>>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
>>>>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
>>>>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
>> also
>>>> are
>>>>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>>>>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> mind,
>>>>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
>>>> words.
>>>>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
>> the
>>>>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
>>>>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
>> course
>>>>> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>>>>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
>>>> sense
>>>>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
>> we'll
>>>>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
>> no-one
>>>> is
>>>>> happy with.
>>>>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
>> open
>>>>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
>> thread.
>>>>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
>> good to
>>>>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>>>>> [2]
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>>>>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
>>>>> [4]
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>>>>> [5]
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>>>>> .
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Martin Hesse <mw...@gmail.com>.
I think Causeway is an acceptable compromise, I think I'll change my
"vote" to that.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:10 PM Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> OK, I think it's now time to close the vote on the rename; it's almost 3
> weeks since I started this vote. Thank you for everyone who participated.
>
> The final votes were
>
> 1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick P, Martin W, Patrick D,
> Brian K
> 2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> Jeroen*, Fernando, Martin H
> 3. Kokoro : Dhruv
>
> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we wanted to hear
> as many voices as possible.
>
> And here were the remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
> as names:
>
> Alma +ve
> " catchy"
> * "write what you hear, very short"
> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
>
> Alma -ve
> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> * "common word ending up in conflict"
> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
> commemorate the battle of Alma"
> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
> really transport a single idea.
> * "Alma" has lots of other meanings in various languages
>
> Causeway +ve
> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> business and techies]"
> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
> the hexagonal connection too."
> * sounds like it would get me somewhere; easy to introduce to a project
> team: "We'll build this on Apache Causeway"
>
> Causeway -ve
> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
>
> *For now, I don't really want to declare either of these as the winner.
> Rather, what I would like to do is to perform the next steps for both:*
> a) to do the ASF-defined product name search process [2], [3], ie due
> diligence
> b) come up with some logo and marketing ideas.
>
> To that end, *I've created a page on our wiki [4]*, with child pages for
> each activity.
>
> Let me suggest that we now *give ourselves 3 weeks* for this; then we can
> review what we have.
>
> Many thanks
> Dan
>
>
> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> [2] https://infra.apache.org/project-names.html
> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
> [4]
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ISIS/Apache+Isis+rename+-+next+steps
>
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 09:46, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>
> wrote:
>
> > *not* too late of course, need reading glasses ;-)
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 21:58, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Oops, hopefully I'm too late.
> > >
> > > I cast my vote to:
> > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Jeroen van der Wal
> > > Stromboli b.v.
> > > +31 655 874050
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >>
> > >> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few
> > days
> > >> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
> > >>
> > >> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due
> diligence
> > >> on
> > >> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those
> > fun
> > >> sort of things.
> > >>
> > >> For now, though here's the current state of play:
> > >>
> > >> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> > >> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> > >> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> > >> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
> > >>
> > >> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to
> > hear
> > >> as many voices as possible.
> > >>
> > >> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
> > as
> > >> names:
> > >>
> > >> Alma +ve
> > >> " catchy"
> > >> * "write what you hear, very short"
> > >> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
> > >>
> > >> Alma -ve
> > >> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> > >> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for
> Causeway)
> > >> * "common word ending up in conflict"
> > >> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the
> UK
> > >> to
> > >> commemorate the battle of Alma"
> > >> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it
> doesn't
> > >> really transport a single idea.
> > >>
> > >> Causeway +ve
> > >> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> > >> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> > >> business and techies]"
> > >> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy
> to
> > >> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I
> like
> > >> the hexagonal connection too."
> > >>
> > >> Causeway -ve
> > >> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> > >> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> > >> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thx
> > >> Dan
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Please do.
> > >> >
> > >> > R
> > >> >
> > >> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
> > >> Slack
> > >> > > ... ?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hi All
> > >> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those
> > years
> > >> > ago,
> > >> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> > >> > (ported to
> > >> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original
> > name.
> > >> > That
> > >> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
> > >> eyebrows.
> > >> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > >> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it
> > >> from,
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something
> unique
> > >> and
> > >> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived
> > in
> > >> > towns
> > >> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it
> > also
> > >> had
> > >> > > > that goddess connection.
> > >> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> > >> > associations
> > >> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A
> > local
> > >> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me
> > that
> > >> > many
> > >> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change
> > their
> > >> > > > company names over the recent years.
> > >> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy
> > is
> > >> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that
> he
> > >> had
> > >> > put
> > >> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into
> his
> > >> Golf
> > >> > and
> > >> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing.
> We
> > >> > started
> > >> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still
> > have
> > >> the
> > >> > > > important part.
> > >> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This
> > >> gets
> > >> > my
> > >> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one
> first,
> > >> so:
> > >> > 1)
> > >> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > >> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > >> > > > Best regards
> > >> > > > Robert
> > >> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi folks,
> > >> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework,
> see
> > >> for
> > >> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start
> the
> > >> > process
> > >> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> > >> > informally/offline
> > >> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few
> > front-runners.
> > >> > So the
> > >> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote
> for
> > >> > > > something
> > >> > > > > else.
> > >> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > >> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > >> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > >> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > >> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > >> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of
> them,
> > >> > give me
> > >> > > > > some *other choices*!
> > >> > > > > Background on the first three choices:
> > >> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little
> > round
> > >> > pole)
> > >> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> > the
> > >> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> > >> "alma
> > >> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business
> with
> > >> > > > technology,
> > >> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > >> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern
> > Ireland,
> > >> a
> > >> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns
> > [3].
> > >> The
> > >> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> > hexagons
> > >> > also
> > >> > > > are
> > >> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > >> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting
> > heart,
> > >> > mind,
> > >> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> > >> Japanese
> > >> > > > words.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes
> > >> from
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> > >> original
> > >> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire).
> Isis
> > of
> > >> > course
> > >> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > >> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it
> might
> > >> make
> > >> > > > sense
> > >> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> > >> well,
> > >> > we'll
> > >> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change
> that
> > >> > no-one
> > >> > > > is
> > >> > > > > happy with.
> > >> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep
> this
> > >> one
> > >> > open
> > >> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to
> the
> > >> > thread.
> > >> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd
> be
> > >> > good to
> > >> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > >> > > > > Thanks
> > >> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > >> > > > > [2]
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > >> > > > > [3]
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > >> > > > > [4]
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > >> > > > > [5]
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > >> > > > > .
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Hi folks,
OK, I think it's now time to close the vote on the rename; it's almost 3
weeks since I started this vote. Thank you for everyone who participated.
The final votes were
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick P, Martin W, Patrick D,
Brian K
2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
Jeroen*, Fernando, Martin H
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we wanted to hear
as many voices as possible.
And here were the remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
as names:
Alma +ve
" catchy"
* "write what you hear, very short"
* "alma in portuguese means soul"
Alma -ve
* AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
* 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
* "common word ending up in conflict"
* "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
commemorate the battle of Alma"
* "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
really transport a single idea.
* "Alma" has lots of other meanings in various languages
Causeway +ve
* "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
* A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
business and techies]"
* "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
the hexagonal connection too."
* sounds like it would get me somewhere; easy to introduce to a project
team: "We'll build this on Apache Causeway"
Causeway -ve
* "hard to write for non-native speakers"
* "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
* "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
*For now, I don't really want to declare either of these as the winner.
Rather, what I would like to do is to perform the next steps for both:*
a) to do the ASF-defined product name search process [2], [3], ie due
diligence
b) come up with some logo and marketing ideas.
To that end, *I've created a page on our wiki [4]*, with child pages for
each activity.
Let me suggest that we now *give ourselves 3 weeks* for this; then we can
review what we have.
Many thanks
Dan
[1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
[2] https://infra.apache.org/project-names.html
[3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
[4]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ISIS/Apache+Isis+rename+-+next+steps
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 09:46, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>
wrote:
> *not* too late of course, need reading glasses ;-)
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 21:58, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>
> wrote:
>
> > Oops, hopefully I'm too late.
> >
> > I cast my vote to:
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Jeroen van der Wal
> > Stromboli b.v.
> > +31 655 874050
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few
> days
> >> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
> >>
> >> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence
> >> on
> >> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those
> fun
> >> sort of things.
> >>
> >> For now, though here's the current state of play:
> >>
> >> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> >> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> >> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> >> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
> >>
> >> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to
> hear
> >> as many voices as possible.
> >>
> >> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
> as
> >> names:
> >>
> >> Alma +ve
> >> " catchy"
> >> * "write what you hear, very short"
> >> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
> >>
> >> Alma -ve
> >> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> >> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> >> * "common word ending up in conflict"
> >> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK
> >> to
> >> commemorate the battle of Alma"
> >> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
> >> really transport a single idea.
> >>
> >> Causeway +ve
> >> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> >> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> >> business and techies]"
> >> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> >> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
> >> the hexagonal connection too."
> >>
> >> Causeway -ve
> >> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> >> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> >> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
> >>
> >>
> >> Thx
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> >>
> >> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Please do.
> >> >
> >> > R
> >> >
> >> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
> >> Slack
> >> > > ... ?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi All
> >> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those
> years
> >> > ago,
> >> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> >> > (ported to
> >> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original
> name.
> >> > That
> >> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
> >> eyebrows.
> >> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> >> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it
> >> from,
> >> > the
> >> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique
> >> and
> >> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived
> in
> >> > towns
> >> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it
> also
> >> had
> >> > > > that goddess connection.
> >> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> >> > associations
> >> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A
> local
> >> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me
> that
> >> > many
> >> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change
> their
> >> > > > company names over the recent years.
> >> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy
> is
> >> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he
> >> had
> >> > put
> >> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his
> >> Golf
> >> > and
> >> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> >> > started
> >> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still
> have
> >> the
> >> > > > important part.
> >> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This
> >> gets
> >> > my
> >> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first,
> >> so:
> >> > 1)
> >> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> >> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> >> > > > Best regards
> >> > > > Robert
> >> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hi folks,
> >> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see
> >> for
> >> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> > process
> >> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> > informally/offline
> >> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few
> front-runners.
> >> > So the
> >> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> >> > > > something
> >> > > > > else.
> >> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> >> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> >> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> >> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> >> > give me
> >> > > > > some *other choices*!
> >> > > > > Background on the first three choices:
> >> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little
> round
> >> > pole)
> >> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> the
> >> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> >> "alma
> >> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> > > > technology,
> >> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern
> Ireland,
> >> a
> >> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns
> [3].
> >> The
> >> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> hexagons
> >> > also
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting
> heart,
> >> > mind,
> >> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> >> Japanese
> >> > > > words.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes
> >> from
> >> > the
> >> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> >> original
> >> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis
> of
> >> > course
> >> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might
> >> make
> >> > > > sense
> >> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> >> well,
> >> > we'll
> >> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> >> > no-one
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > > happy with.
> >> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this
> >> one
> >> > open
> >> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> >> > thread.
> >> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> >> > good to
> >> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >> > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >> > > > > [2]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >> > > > > [3]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> >> > > > > [4]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >> > > > > [5]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >> > > > > .
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Hi folks,
OK, I think it's now time to close the vote on the rename; it's almost 3
weeks since I started this vote. Thank you for everyone who participated.
The final votes were
1. Causeway: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick P, Martin W, Patrick D,
Brian K
2. Alma : Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
Jeroen*, Fernando, Martin H
3. Kokoro : Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we wanted to hear
as many voices as possible.
And here were the remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
as names:
Alma +ve
" catchy"
* "write what you hear, very short"
* "alma in portuguese means soul"
Alma -ve
* AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
* 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
* "common word ending up in conflict"
* "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
commemorate the battle of Alma"
* "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
really transport a single idea.
* "Alma" has lots of other meanings in various languages
Causeway +ve
* "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
* A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
business and techies]"
* "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
the hexagonal connection too."
* sounds like it would get me somewhere; easy to introduce to a project
team: "We'll build this on Apache Causeway"
Causeway -ve
* "hard to write for non-native speakers"
* "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
* "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
*For now, I don't really want to declare either of these as the winner.
Rather, what I would like to do is to perform the next steps for both:*
a) to do the ASF-defined product name search process [2], [3], ie due
diligence
b) come up with some logo and marketing ideas.
To that end, *I've created a page on our wiki [4]*, with child pages for
each activity.
Let me suggest that we now *give ourselves 3 weeks* for this; then we can
review what we have.
Many thanks
Dan
[1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
[2] https://infra.apache.org/project-names.html
[3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
[4]
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ISIS/Apache+Isis+rename+-+next+steps
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 at 09:46, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>
wrote:
> *not* too late of course, need reading glasses ;-)
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 21:58, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>
> wrote:
>
> > Oops, hopefully I'm too late.
> >
> > I cast my vote to:
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Jeroen van der Wal
> > Stromboli b.v.
> > +31 655 874050
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few
> days
> >> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
> >>
> >> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence
> >> on
> >> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those
> fun
> >> sort of things.
> >>
> >> For now, though here's the current state of play:
> >>
> >> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> >> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> >> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> >> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
> >>
> >> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to
> hear
> >> as many voices as possible.
> >>
> >> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway
> as
> >> names:
> >>
> >> Alma +ve
> >> " catchy"
> >> * "write what you hear, very short"
> >> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
> >>
> >> Alma -ve
> >> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> >> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> >> * "common word ending up in conflict"
> >> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK
> >> to
> >> commemorate the battle of Alma"
> >> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
> >> really transport a single idea.
> >>
> >> Causeway +ve
> >> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> >> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> >> business and techies]"
> >> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> >> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
> >> the hexagonal connection too."
> >>
> >> Causeway -ve
> >> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> >> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> >> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
> >>
> >>
> >> Thx
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> >>
> >> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Please do.
> >> >
> >> > R
> >> >
> >> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
> >> Slack
> >> > > ... ?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi All
> >> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those
> years
> >> > ago,
> >> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> >> > (ported to
> >> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original
> name.
> >> > That
> >> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
> >> eyebrows.
> >> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> >> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it
> >> from,
> >> > the
> >> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique
> >> and
> >> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived
> in
> >> > towns
> >> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it
> also
> >> had
> >> > > > that goddess connection.
> >> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> >> > associations
> >> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A
> local
> >> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me
> that
> >> > many
> >> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change
> their
> >> > > > company names over the recent years.
> >> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy
> is
> >> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he
> >> had
> >> > put
> >> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his
> >> Golf
> >> > and
> >> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> >> > started
> >> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still
> have
> >> the
> >> > > > important part.
> >> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This
> >> gets
> >> > my
> >> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first,
> >> so:
> >> > 1)
> >> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> >> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> >> > > > Best regards
> >> > > > Robert
> >> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hi folks,
> >> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see
> >> for
> >> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> >> > process
> >> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> >> > informally/offline
> >> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few
> front-runners.
> >> > So the
> >> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> >> > > > something
> >> > > > > else.
> >> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> >> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> >> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> >> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> >> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> >> > give me
> >> > > > > some *other choices*!
> >> > > > > Background on the first three choices:
> >> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little
> round
> >> > pole)
> >> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting
> the
> >> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> >> "alma
> >> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> >> > > > technology,
> >> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern
> Ireland,
> >> a
> >> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns
> [3].
> >> The
> >> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the
> hexagons
> >> > also
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting
> heart,
> >> > mind,
> >> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
> >> Japanese
> >> > > > words.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes
> >> from
> >> > the
> >> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
> >> original
> >> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis
> of
> >> > course
> >> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might
> >> make
> >> > > > sense
> >> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
> >> well,
> >> > we'll
> >> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> >> > no-one
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > > happy with.
> >> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this
> >> one
> >> > open
> >> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> >> > thread.
> >> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> >> > good to
> >> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >> > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> >> > > > > [2]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> >> > > > > [3]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> >> > > > > [4]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> >> > > > > [5]
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> >> > > > > .
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>.
*not* too late of course, need reading glasses ;-)
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 21:58, Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it> wrote:
> Oops, hopefully I'm too late.
>
> I cast my vote to:
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jeroen van der Wal
> Stromboli b.v.
> +31 655 874050
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
>> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
>>
>> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence
>> on
>> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
>> sort of things.
>>
>> For now, though here's the current state of play:
>>
>> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
>> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
>> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
>> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
>>
>> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
>> as many voices as possible.
>>
>> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
>> names:
>>
>> Alma +ve
>> " catchy"
>> * "write what you hear, very short"
>> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
>>
>> Alma -ve
>> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
>> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
>> * "common word ending up in conflict"
>> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK
>> to
>> commemorate the battle of Alma"
>> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
>> really transport a single idea.
>>
>> Causeway +ve
>> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
>> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
>> business and techies]"
>> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
>> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
>> the hexagonal connection too."
>>
>> Causeway -ve
>> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
>> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
>> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
>>
>>
>> Thx
>> Dan
>>
>> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Please do.
>> >
>> > R
>> >
>> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
>> Slack
>> > > ... ?
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi All
>> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
>> > ago,
>> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
>> > (ported to
>> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
>> > That
>> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
>> eyebrows.
>> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
>> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it
>> from,
>> > the
>> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique
>> and
>> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
>> > towns
>> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also
>> had
>> > > > that goddess connection.
>> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
>> > associations
>> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
>> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
>> > many
>> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
>> > > > company names over the recent years.
>> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
>> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he
>> had
>> > put
>> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his
>> Golf
>> > and
>> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
>> > started
>> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have
>> the
>> > > > important part.
>> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This
>> gets
>> > my
>> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first,
>> so:
>> > 1)
>> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
>> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
>> > > > Best regards
>> > > > Robert
>> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi folks,
>> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see
>> for
>> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
>> > process
>> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
>> > informally/offline
>> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
>> > So the
>> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
>> > > > something
>> > > > > else.
>> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
>> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
>> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
>> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
>> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
>> > give me
>> > > > > some *other choices*!
>> > > > > Background on the first three choices:
>> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
>> > pole)
>> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
>> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
>> "alma
>> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
>> > > > technology,
>> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
>> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland,
>> a
>> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
>> The
>> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
>> > also
>> > > > are
>> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
>> > mind,
>> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use
>> Japanese
>> > > > words.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes
>> from
>> > the
>> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the
>> original
>> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
>> > course
>> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might
>> make
>> > > > sense
>> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then,
>> well,
>> > we'll
>> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
>> > no-one
>> > > > is
>> > > > > happy with.
>> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this
>> one
>> > open
>> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
>> > thread.
>> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
>> > good to
>> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>> > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
>> > > > > [2]
>> > > >
>> >
>> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
>> > > > > [3]
>> > > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
>> > > > > [4]
>> > > >
>> >
>> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
>> > > > > [5]
>> > > >
>> >
>> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
>> > > > > .
>> >
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>.
Oops, hopefully I'm too late.
I cast my vote to:
1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
Kind regards,
Jeroen van der Wal
Stromboli b.v.
+31 655 874050
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 20:06, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
> more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
>
> Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence on
> trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
> sort of things.
>
> For now, though here's the current state of play:
>
> 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
> Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
> 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
> 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
>
> * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
> as many voices as possible.
>
> And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
> names:
>
> Alma +ve
> " catchy"
> * "write what you hear, very short"
> * "alma in portuguese means soul"
>
> Alma -ve
> * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
> * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
> * "common word ending up in conflict"
> * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
> commemorate the battle of Alma"
> * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
> really transport a single idea.
>
> Causeway +ve
> * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
> * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
> business and techies]"
> * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
> spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
> the hexagonal connection too."
>
> Causeway -ve
> * "hard to write for non-native speakers"
> * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
> * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
>
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
> [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
>
> > Please do.
> >
> > R
> >
> > > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on
> Slack
> > > ... ?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All
> > > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
> > ago,
> > > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> > (ported to
> > > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
> > That
> > > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few
> eyebrows.
> > > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it
> from,
> > the
> > > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> > > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
> > towns
> > > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also
> had
> > > > that goddess connection.
> > > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> > associations
> > > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> > > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
> > many
> > > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> > > > company names over the recent years.
> > > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> > > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he
> had
> > put
> > > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his
> Golf
> > and
> > > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> > started
> > > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have
> the
> > > > important part.
> > > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets
> > my
> > > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so:
> > 1)
> > > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Robert
> > > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see
> for
> > > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> > process
> > > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> > informally/offline
> > > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
> > So the
> > > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > > > something
> > > > > else.
> > > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> > give me
> > > > > some *other choices*!
> > > > > Background on the first three choices:
> > > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> > pole)
> > > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think
> "alma
> > > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > > > technology,
> > > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3].
> The
> > > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> > also
> > > > are
> > > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> > mind,
> > > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > > > words.
> > > > >
> > > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> > the
> > > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> > course
> > > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might
> make
> > > > sense
> > > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> > we'll
> > > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> > no-one
> > > > is
> > > > > happy with.
> > > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this
> one
> > open
> > > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> > thread.
> > > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> > good to
> > > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > > > [2]
> > > >
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > > > [3]
> > > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > > > [4]
> > > >
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > > > [5]
> > > >
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > > > .
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Hi folks,
The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence on
trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
sort of things.
For now, though here's the current state of play:
1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
names:
Alma +ve
" catchy"
* "write what you hear, very short"
* "alma in portuguese means soul"
Alma -ve
* AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
* 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
* "common word ending up in conflict"
* "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
commemorate the battle of Alma"
* "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
really transport a single idea.
Causeway +ve
* "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
* A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
business and techies]"
* "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
the hexagonal connection too."
Causeway -ve
* "hard to write for non-native speakers"
* "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
* "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
Thx
Dan
[1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> Please do.
>
> R
>
> > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
> > ... ?
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All
> > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
> ago,
> > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> (ported to
> > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
> That
> > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
> > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from,
> the
> > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
> towns
> > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
> > > that goddess connection.
> > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> associations
> > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
> many
> > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> > > company names over the recent years.
> > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had
> put
> > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf
> and
> > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> started
> > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
> > > important part.
> > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets
> my
> > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so:
> 1)
> > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > > Best regards
> > > Robert
> > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> process
> > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> informally/offline
> > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
> So the
> > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > > something
> > > > else.
> > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> give me
> > > > some *other choices*!
> > > > Background on the first three choices:
> > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> pole)
> > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > > technology,
> > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> also
> > > are
> > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> mind,
> > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > > words.
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> the
> > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > > sense
> > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> no-one
> > > is
> > > > happy with.
> > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> open
> > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> good to
> > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > > [2]
> > >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > > [3]
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > > [4]
> > >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > > [5]
> > >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > > .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Hi folks,
The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence on
trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
sort of things.
For now, though here's the current state of play:
1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
names:
Alma +ve
" catchy"
* "write what you hear, very short"
* "alma in portuguese means soul"
Alma -ve
* AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
* 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
* "common word ending up in conflict"
* "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
commemorate the battle of Alma"
* "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
really transport a single idea.
Causeway +ve
* "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
* A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
business and techies]"
* "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
the hexagonal connection too."
Causeway -ve
* "hard to write for non-native speakers"
* "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
* "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
Thx
Dan
[1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> Please do.
>
> R
>
> > On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
> > ... ?
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All
> > > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
> ago,
> > > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
> (ported to
> > > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
> That
> > > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
> > > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from,
> the
> > > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> > > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
> towns
> > > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
> > > that goddess connection.
> > > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
> associations
> > > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> > > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
> many
> > > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> > > company names over the recent years.
> > > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> > > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had
> put
> > > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf
> and
> > > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
> started
> > > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
> > > important part.
> > > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets
> my
> > > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so:
> 1)
> > > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > > Best regards
> > > Robert
> > > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
> process
> > > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
> informally/offline
> > > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
> So the
> > > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > > something
> > > > else.
> > > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
> give me
> > > > some *other choices*!
> > > > Background on the first three choices:
> > > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
> pole)
> > > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > > technology,
> > > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
> also
> > > are
> > > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
> mind,
> > > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > > words.
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
> the
> > > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
> course
> > > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > > sense
> > > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
> we'll
> > > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
> no-one
> > > is
> > > > happy with.
> > > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
> open
> > > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
> thread.
> > > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
> good to
> > > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > > [2]
> > >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > > [3]
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > > [4]
> > >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > > [5]
> > >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > > .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org>.
Please do.
R
> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
> ... ?
>
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> > When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years ago,
> > we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version (ported to
> > .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. That
> > name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
> > Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> > descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from, the
> > task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> > terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in towns
> > next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
> > that goddess connection.
> > After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately associations
> > matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> > friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that many
> > companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> > company names over the recent years.
> > To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> > wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had put
> > everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf and
> > the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We started
> > with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
> > important part.
> > To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets my
> > vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so: 1)
> > Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
> > Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
> > Best regards
> > Robert
> > > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> > > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> > > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> > something
> > > else.
> > > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> > > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > > some *other choices*!
> > > Background on the first three choices:
> > > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> > technology,
> > > or acting as the heart of the business.
> > > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> > are
> > > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> > > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> > words.
> > >
> > > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> > > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> > > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> > sense
> > > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> > > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> > is
> > > happy with.
> > > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> > > Thanks
> > > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > > [2]
> > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > > [3]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > > [4]
> > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > > [5]
> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > > .
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
... ?
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years ago,
> we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version (ported to
> .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. That
> name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
>
> Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
> descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from, the
> task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
> terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in towns
> next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
> that goddess connection.
>
> After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately associations
> matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
> friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that many
> companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
> company names over the recent years.
>
> To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
> wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had put
> everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf and
> the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We started
> with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
> important part.
>
> To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets my
> vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so: 1)
> Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
>
> Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
>
> Best regards
>
> Robert
>
> > On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> > example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
> >
> > There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> > with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> > vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
> something
> > else.
> >
> > So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
> >
> > 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> > 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> > 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> > 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> > 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> > some *other choices*!
> >
> > Background on the first three choices:
> >
> > *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> > within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> > soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> > mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
> technology,
> > or acting as the heart of the business.
> >
> > *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> > geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> > metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also
> are
> > reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
> >
> > *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> > body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
> words.
> >
> > In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> > name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> > authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> > was an Egyptian goddess [5].
> >
> > For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
> sense
> > to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> > go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one
> is
> > happy with.
> >
> > Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> > longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> > Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> > hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> > [2]
> >
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> > [4]
> >
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> > [5]
> >
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> > .
>
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by - - <rm...@nakedobjects.org>.
Hi All
When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years ago, we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version (ported to .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. That name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from, the task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in towns next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had that goddess connection.
After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately associations matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that many companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their company names over the recent years.
To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had put everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf and the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We started with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the important part.
To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets my vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so: 1) Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
Best regards
Robert
> On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
Re: [VOTE] Change the name of the framework.
Posted by Johan Doornenbal <jo...@yodo.nl>.
My preferences in the order of liking are
[1] alma
then
[2] causeway
and
[3] kokoro
Best regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
Johan Doornenbal
M 06 227 666 28
johan@yodo.nl <jo...@filternet.nl>
www.yodo.nl
Griene Daam 7
9084 DG Goutum
Op di 24 mei 2022 om 10:47 schreef Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
>:
> Hi folks,
>
> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the process
>
> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking informally/offline
> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. So the
> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for something
> else.
>
> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
>
> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
> 4 *don't change *the framework's name
> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, give me
> some *other choices*!
>
> Background on the first three choices:
>
> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round pole)
> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with technology,
> or acting as the heart of the business.
>
> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons also are
> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
>
> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, mind,
> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese words.
>
> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from the
> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of course
> was an Egyptian goddess [5].
>
> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make sense
> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, we'll
> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that no-one is
> happy with.
>
> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one open
> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the thread.
> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be good to
> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
>
> Thanks
> Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
>
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
> [2]
>
> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
> [3]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
> [4]
>
> https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
> [5]
>
> https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
> .
>