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[PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Dear all,
I would like to propose to separate the Traditional Chinese website
from the Simplified Chinese website. Currently they are on a same
website: zh.openoffice.org. I would suggest to split it into
zh-cn.openoffice.org and zh-tw.openoffice.org (or zh-hans.openoffice.org
and zh-hant.openoffice.org).
Currently there are two copies of each page on a same website, which
is already separated realitically. The issues for Traditional Chinese
and Simplified Chinese are quite different. The two language may still
cooperate, but the separation will make the maintenance easier and more
close to the local communities.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On May 8, 2012, at 6:26 PM, imacat wrote:
> On 2012/05/09 03:00, Dave Fisher said:
>> On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
>>> On 2012/05/08 19:36, Rob Weir said:
>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>> (3) both sites then get brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext which can be customized to Chinese.
>
> Sorry I do not understand this part. ^^; I added brand.mdtext and
> topnav.mdtext for both directories, but they does not work. The page
> titles and navigations are not updated even ofter succeeding updates.
> Did I missed anything?
Yes. To activate these SSI includes you also need to add a zh-tw directory to trunk/templates/ with a copy of ssi.mdtext that points to the topnav and the brand.
$ cd ooo-site/trunk/templates
$ mkdir zh-tw
$ cp ssi.mdtext zh-tw/.
$ svn add zh-tw
A zh-tw
A zh-tw/ssi.mdtext
$ vi (or emacs) zh-tw/ssi.mdtext
$ more zh-tw/ssi.mdtext
doctype: /doctype.html
brand: /zh-tw/brand.html
footer: /footer.html
topnav: /zh-tw/topnav.html
home: home
$ svn commit -m 'Add branding for zh-tw'
Adding templates/zh-tw
Adding templates/zh-tw/ssi.mdtext
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 1335884.
Checked and need to trigger a refresh by tweaking something in lib.
$ cd ../lib
$ emacs view.pm
(an innocuous change)
$ svn commit -m 'Trigger site scan to add zh-tw branding'
Sending lib/view.pm
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 1335885.
Wait ten minutes for the large staging build.
You should then see your branding and topnav.
Regards,
Dave
>
>>>> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
>>>> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
>>> As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
>>> create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
>> Not a big deal to ask. What will users do? tw.openoffice.org and cn.openoffice.org?
>
> I think zh-tw.openoffice.org and zh-cn.openoffice.org would be fine.
> ^_*' Thank you.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/10 Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>
> Hi.
>
> 2012/5/10 imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
>
>> I think the issue we discussed here is that, whether or not we want
>> br.openoffice.org to be redirected to http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ .
>> We need the input from the Brazil community to decide it.
>>
>
>
> The br.openoffice.org is redirected to openoffice.org/projects/br, but
> this case.
>
> I'm think and discurssing with some members of the brazilian community, a
> portal for news, events, etc. and another (the primary) only important,
> news, download, more information.
>
> What do you say ?
>
> The primary / *first*: openoffice.org/pt-br/
>
>
> You may check previous mails in this thread for more of the
>> discussion and reason. ^_*'
>>
>
> Yes, I read the previous. I'm just explaining. :)
>
We want the base of AOO, don't do anyting separately.
Regards,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/10 imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> I think the issue we discussed here is that, whether or not we want
> br.openoffice.org to be redirected to http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ .
> We need the input from the Brazil community to decide it.
>
The br.openoffice.org is redirected to openoffice.org/projects/br, but this
case.
I'm think and discurssing with some members of the brazilian community, a
portal for news, events, etc. and another (the primary) only important,
news, download, more information.
What do you say ?
The primary / *first*: openoffice.org/pt-br/
You may check previous mails in this thread for more of the
> discussion and reason. ^_*'
>
Yes, I read the previous. I'm just explaining. :)
Regards,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
Dear Albino,
On 2012/05/10 07:48, Albino Biasutti Neto said:
> 2012/5/9 Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>
>> We have two languages portuguese:
>> pt = Portugual / ....
>> pt-BR = Brazil
>> The pt-BR (Brazil) is still the only.
>> The pt is spoken in coutry Portugual/Cape/Angola Verde and others coutry,
>> and it varieties.
> Sorry.
> The pt is spoken in country Portugual/Cape Verde/Angola and others country,
> and it varieties.
I think the issue we discussed here is that, whether or not we want
br.openoffice.org to be redirected to http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ .
We need the input from the Brazil community to decide it.
You may check previous mails in this thread for more of the
discussion and reason. ^_*'
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
Dear Albino,
On 2012/05/10 07:48, Albino Biasutti Neto said:
> 2012/5/9 Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>
>> We have two languages portuguese:
>> pt = Portugual / ....
>> pt-BR = Brazil
>> The pt-BR (Brazil) is still the only.
>> The pt is spoken in coutry Portugual/Cape/Angola Verde and others coutry,
>> and it varieties.
> Sorry.
> The pt is spoken in country Portugual/Cape Verde/Angola and others country,
> and it varieties.
I think the issue we discussed here is that, whether or not we want
br.openoffice.org to be redirected to http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ .
We need the input from the Brazil community to decide it.
You may check previous mails in this thread for more of the
discussion and reason. ^_*'
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/9 Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>
> We have two languages portuguese:
>
> pt = Portugual / ....
> pt-BR = Brazil
>
> The pt-BR (Brazil) is still the only.
>
> The pt is spoken in coutry Portugual/Cape/Angola Verde and others coutry,
> and it varieties.
>
>
Sorry.
The pt is spoken in country Portugual/Cape Verde/Angola and others country,
and it varieties.
Best,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/5/9 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > plus
> >
> > (7) br.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
> >
> > Anyone have other needed redirections?
> >
>
> Did anyone actually request a redirect for pt-br?
>
> It would be good to understand the interest there a bit more. Aside
> from continental Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese, isn't it also
> spoken in the Azores and Cape Verde? Which version of AOO would they
> use? And what would make it easier for them to find?
>
We have two languages portuguese:
pt = Portugual / ....
pt-BR = Brazil
The pt-BR (Brazil) is still the only.
The pt is spoken in coutry Portugual/Cape/Angola Verde and others coutry,
and it varieties.
Terms is required pt and pt-BR.
Best,
Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Way to go iamcat!
>
> Your brand and topnav are now in Traditional Chinese!
>
> On May 8, 2012, at 6:43 PM, imacat wrote:
>
>> On 2012/05/09 09:26, imacat said:
>>> On 2012/05/09 03:00, Dave Fisher said:
>>>> On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
>>>>> On 2012/05/08 19:36, Rob Weir said:
>>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>>>> (3) both sites then get brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext which can be customized to Chinese.
>>>
>>> Sorry I do not understand this part. ^^; I added brand.mdtext and
>>> topnav.mdtext for both directories, but they does not work. The page
>>> titles and navigations are not updated even ofter succeeding updates.
>>> Did I missed anything?
>>>
>>>>>> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
>>>>>> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
>>>>> As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
>>>>> create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
>>>> Not a big deal to ask. What will users do? tw.openoffice.org and cn.openoffice.org?
>>> I think zh-tw.openoffice.org and zh-cn.openoffice.org would be fine.
>>> ^_*' Thank you.
>>
>> Sorry. ^^; On a second thought, I think tw.openoffice.org and
>> cn.openoffice.org would be better, in order to attract local community.
>> Sorry for the trouble.
>
> We'll allow for all reasonable subdomains.
>
> I'll make the request tomorrow, I hope that zh-cn will be ready.
>
> I think that a similar request for pt-br / br makes sense.
>
> Here are the redirections:
>
> (1) tw.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
> (2) cn.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
> (3) zh-tw.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
> (4) zh-cn.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
> (5) zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_tw/ -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
> (6) zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_cn/ -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
>
> plus
>
> (7) br.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
>
> Anyone have other needed redirections?
>
Did anyone actually request a redirect for pt-br?
It would be good to understand the interest there a bit more. Aside
from continental Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese, isn't it also
spoken in the Azores and Cape Verde? Which version of AOO would they
use? And what would make it easier for them to find?
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>>
>> --
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/05/09 10:10, Dave Fisher said:
> Your brand and topnav are now in Traditional Chinese!
Thanks a lot! ^_*'
But I follow your steps, and the Simplified Chinese branding pages
are not updated yet. Did I missed something?
> On May 8, 2012, at 6:43 PM, imacat wrote:
>
>> On 2012/05/09 09:26, imacat said:
>>> On 2012/05/09 03:00, Dave Fisher said:
>>>> On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
>>>>> On 2012/05/08 19:36, Rob Weir said:
>>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> We'll allow for all reasonable subdomains.
> Here are the redirections:
> (1) tw.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
> (2) cn.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
> (3) zh-tw.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
> (4) zh-cn.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
> (5) zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_tw/ -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
> (6) zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_cn/ -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
> (7) br.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
That is more than perfect! ^_*' Thank you.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Way to go iamcat!
Your brand and topnav are now in Traditional Chinese!
On May 8, 2012, at 6:43 PM, imacat wrote:
> On 2012/05/09 09:26, imacat said:
>> On 2012/05/09 03:00, Dave Fisher said:
>>> On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
>>>> On 2012/05/08 19:36, Rob Weir said:
>>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>>> (3) both sites then get brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext which can be customized to Chinese.
>>
>> Sorry I do not understand this part. ^^; I added brand.mdtext and
>> topnav.mdtext for both directories, but they does not work. The page
>> titles and navigations are not updated even ofter succeeding updates.
>> Did I missed anything?
>>
>>>>> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
>>>>> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
>>>> As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
>>>> create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
>>> Not a big deal to ask. What will users do? tw.openoffice.org and cn.openoffice.org?
>> I think zh-tw.openoffice.org and zh-cn.openoffice.org would be fine.
>> ^_*' Thank you.
>
> Sorry. ^^; On a second thought, I think tw.openoffice.org and
> cn.openoffice.org would be better, in order to attract local community.
> Sorry for the trouble.
We'll allow for all reasonable subdomains.
I'll make the request tomorrow, I hope that zh-cn will be ready.
I think that a similar request for pt-br / br makes sense.
Here are the redirections:
(1) tw.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
(2) cn.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
(3) zh-tw.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
(4) zh-cn.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
(5) zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_tw/ -> www.openoffice.org/zh-tw/
(6) zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_cn/ -> www.openoffice.org/zh-cn/
plus
(7) br.openoffice.org -> www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
Anyone have other needed redirections?
Regards,
Dave
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/05/09 09:26, imacat said:
> On 2012/05/09 03:00, Dave Fisher said:
>> On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
>>> On 2012/05/08 19:36, Rob Weir said:
>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>> (3) both sites then get brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext which can be customized to Chinese.
>
> Sorry I do not understand this part. ^^; I added brand.mdtext and
> topnav.mdtext for both directories, but they does not work. The page
> titles and navigations are not updated even ofter succeeding updates.
> Did I missed anything?
>
>>>> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
>>>> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
>>> As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
>>> create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
>> Not a big deal to ask. What will users do? tw.openoffice.org and cn.openoffice.org?
> I think zh-tw.openoffice.org and zh-cn.openoffice.org would be fine.
> ^_*' Thank you.
Sorry. ^^; On a second thought, I think tw.openoffice.org and
cn.openoffice.org would be better, in order to attract local community.
Sorry for the trouble.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/05/09 03:00, Dave Fisher said:
> On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
>> On 2012/05/08 19:36, Rob Weir said:
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> (3) both sites then get brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext which can be customized to Chinese.
Sorry I do not understand this part. ^^; I added brand.mdtext and
topnav.mdtext for both directories, but they does not work. The page
titles and navigations are not updated even ofter succeeding updates.
Did I missed anything?
>>> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
>>> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
>> As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
>> create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
> Not a big deal to ask. What will users do? tw.openoffice.org and cn.openoffice.org?
I think zh-tw.openoffice.org and zh-cn.openoffice.org would be fine.
^_*' Thank you.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On May 8, 2012, at 11:34 AM, imacat wrote:
> 於 2012年05月08日 19:36, Rob Weir 提到:
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>>> FYI, I found that http://zh.openoffice.org/ is a redirection to
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/zh now, which then separates into two
>>> directory trees. The uniformed Chinese site does not exists. The
>>> content is already separated. Keeping a uniformed Chinese entry page
>>> does not make sense anymore.
>> Look at it also from the directory layout perspective:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/
>> Each language is a subdirectory of /ooo-site/trunk/content
>>
>> We already have an example of similar differences. For example we
>> have both a Portuguese website (/pt) and a Brazilian Portuguese
>> website (/pt-br).
>>
>> So it sounds like you would do this;
>> 1. create a new directory, content/zh-tw
>> 2. svn copy the existing content from the old directory to the new directory
>> 3. work on that content until it is ready to publish
>
> Hmm... Currently they are actually two directory trees:
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/zh/new/zh_tw/
> http://www.openoffice.org/zh/new/zh_cn/
>
> So I would prefer to strip the /zh/news/ parts, and keep them as two
> equal directory trees. Maybe keep the /zh/index.html, which redirects
> people to the new location according to their Accept-Language header,
> and provide choices if both zh-tw and zh-cn do not appear in user's
> Accept-Language header.
>
> I think the issue is not to separate zh-tw from zh, but to separate
> existing zh-tw and zh-cn. This is different from pt and pt-br.
Yes. There should be these actions.
(1) svn move (or copy) from zh/new/zh_tw to zh-tw
(2) svn move (or copy) from zh/new/zh_cn to zh-cn
(3) both sites then get brand.mdtext and topnav.mdtext which can be customized to Chinese.
>
>> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
>> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
>
> As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
> create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
Not a big deal to ask. What will users do? tw.openoffice.org and cn.openoffice.org?
>
>> 5. Maybe also ask Infra to redirect requests from the old site to the new site
>
> Good idea. ^_*' Thank you.
zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_tw/ should redirect to www.openoffice.org/zh-tw
zh.openoffice.org/new/zh_cn/ should redirect to www.openoffice.org/zh-cn
zh.openoffice.org/index.html should redirect to www.openoffice.org/zh/index.html that offers the choice as now.
Regards,
Dave
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
於 2012年05月08日 19:36, Rob Weir 提到:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
>> FYI, I found that http://zh.openoffice.org/ is a redirection to
>> http://www.openoffice.org/zh now, which then separates into two
>> directory trees. The uniformed Chinese site does not exists. The
>> content is already separated. Keeping a uniformed Chinese entry page
>> does not make sense anymore.
> Look at it also from the directory layout perspective:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/
> Each language is a subdirectory of /ooo-site/trunk/content
>
> We already have an example of similar differences. For example we
> have both a Portuguese website (/pt) and a Brazilian Portuguese
> website (/pt-br).
>
> So it sounds like you would do this;
> 1. create a new directory, content/zh-tw
> 2. svn copy the existing content from the old directory to the new directory
> 3. work on that content until it is ready to publish
Hmm... Currently they are actually two directory trees:
http://www.openoffice.org/zh/new/zh_tw/
http://www.openoffice.org/zh/new/zh_cn/
So I would prefer to strip the /zh/news/ parts, and keep them as two
equal directory trees. Maybe keep the /zh/index.html, which redirects
people to the new location according to their Accept-Language header,
and provide choices if both zh-tw and zh-cn do not appear in user's
Accept-Language header.
I think the issue is not to separate zh-tw from zh, but to separate
existing zh-tw and zh-cn. This is different from pt and pt-br.
> 4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
> subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
As they are merely redirection, I do not think it is necessary to
create new virtual hosts only for redirection.
> 5. Maybe also ask Infra to redirect requests from the old site to the new site
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:02 AM, imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> FYI, I found that http://zh.openoffice.org/ is a redirection to
> http://www.openoffice.org/zh now, which then separates into two
> directory trees. The uniformed Chinese site does not exists. The
> content is already separated. Keeping a uniformed Chinese entry page
> does not make sense anymore.
>
Look at it also from the directory layout perspective:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/
Each language is a subdirectory of /ooo-site/trunk/content
We already have an example of similar differences. For example we
have both a Portuguese website (/pt) and a Brazilian Portuguese
website (/pt-br).
So it sounds like you would do this;
1. create a new directory, content/zh-tw
2. svn copy the existing content from the old directory to the new directory
3. work on that content until it is ready to publish
4. Enter a JIRA issue requesting Infrastructure team to create a
subdomain zh-tw.openoffice.org that points to content/zh-tw
5. Maybe also ask Infra to redirect requests from the old site to the new site
-Rob
> This also means that separation of Traditional and Simplified
> Chinese is not a big work at all.
>
> On 2012/05/08 14:54, imacat said:
>> On 2012/05/08 09:14, Zhe Liu said:
>>> we can keep the current website address and automatically choose
>>> Chinese traditional or simplified according to the user's locale, just
>>> keep one copy of each page. IMHO，that will be save more time.
>>
>> Well, I'm not thinking about saving more time. I'm thinking about
>> participation - which way may attract more local community that join our
>> work. If we have separate sites what local community feels more
>> comfortable, the two languages may each attract more people to join our
>> work. Currently the zh-only site and especially forum attract only
>> people from China, which is not right.
>>
>> Creating two sites requires more work, yes, but that is where we can
>> call for volunteer for. ^_*'
>>
>> Besides, the current Chinese site is far too outdated. The
>> "OpenOffice.org Chinese Project" become history for years. I was
>> updating the 3.4 release information, and it come to my mind that, why
>> not propose site separation altogether?
>>
>> If we agree, I shall start doing this in this week. Currently we
>> only need home page, download page and a news page. Working on two
>> sites for these pages is small work.
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
FYI, I found that http://zh.openoffice.org/ is a redirection to
http://www.openoffice.org/zh now, which then separates into two
directory trees. The uniformed Chinese site does not exists. The
content is already separated. Keeping a uniformed Chinese entry page
does not make sense anymore.
This also means that separation of Traditional and Simplified
Chinese is not a big work at all.
On 2012/05/08 14:54, imacat said:
> On 2012/05/08 09:14, Zhe Liu said:
>> we can keep the current website address and automatically choose
>> Chinese traditional or simplified according to the user's locale, just
>> keep one copy of each page. IMHO，that will be save more time.
>
> Well, I'm not thinking about saving more time. I'm thinking about
> participation - which way may attract more local community that join our
> work. If we have separate sites what local community feels more
> comfortable, the two languages may each attract more people to join our
> work. Currently the zh-only site and especially forum attract only
> people from China, which is not right.
>
> Creating two sites requires more work, yes, but that is where we can
> call for volunteer for. ^_*'
>
> Besides, the current Chinese site is far too outdated. The
> "OpenOffice.org Chinese Project" become history for years. I was
> updating the 3.4 release information, and it come to my mind that, why
> not propose site separation altogether?
>
> If we agree, I shall start doing this in this week. Currently we
> only need home page, download page and a news page. Working on two
> sites for these pages is small work.
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>.
On 2012/05/08 09:14, Zhe Liu said:
> we can keep the current website address and automatically choose
> Chinese traditional or simplified according to the user's locale, just
> keep one copy of each page. IMHO，that will be save more time.
Well, I'm not thinking about saving more time. I'm thinking about
participation - which way may attract more local community that join our
work. If we have separate sites what local community feels more
comfortable, the two languages may each attract more people to join our
work. Currently the zh-only site and especially forum attract only
people from China, which is not right.
Creating two sites requires more work, yes, but that is where we can
call for volunteer for. ^_*'
Besides, the current Chinese site is far too outdated. The
"OpenOffice.org Chinese Project" become history for years. I was
updating the 3.4 release information, and it come to my mind that, why
not propose site separation altogether?
If we agree, I shall start doing this in this week. Currently we
only need home page, download page and a news page. Working on two
sites for these pages is small work.
> 2012/5/8 imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I would like to propose to separate the Traditional Chinese website
>> from the Simplified Chinese website. Currently they are on a same
>> website: zh.openoffice.org. I would suggest to split it into
>> zh-cn.openoffice.org and zh-tw.openoffice.org (or zh-hans.openoffice.org
>> and zh-hant.openoffice.org).
>>
>> Currently there are two copies of each page on a same website, which
>> is already separated realitically. The issues for Traditional Chinese
>> and Simplified Chinese are quite different. The two language may still
>> cooperate, but the separation will make the maintenance easier and more
>> close to the local communities.
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Posted by Zhe Liu <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
we can keep the current website address and automatically choose
Chinese traditional or simplified according to the user's locale, just
keep one copy of each page. IMHO，that will be save more time.
2012/5/8 imacat <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>:
> Dear all,
>
> I would like to propose to separate the Traditional Chinese website
> from the Simplified Chinese website. Currently they are on a same
> website: zh.openoffice.org. I would suggest to split it into
> zh-cn.openoffice.org and zh-tw.openoffice.org (or zh-hans.openoffice.org
> and zh-hant.openoffice.org).
>
> Currently there are two copies of each page on a same website, which
> is already separated realitically. The issues for Traditional Chinese
> and Simplified Chinese are quite different. The two language may still
> cooperate, but the separation will make the maintenance easier and more
> close to the local communities.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' <im...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
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