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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> on 2006/01/01 17:32:15 UTC
Re: Starting a java specs project
On 12/31/2005 1:12 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> I haven't been involved in any history here, so please forgive my
> naivete.
>
> I think I understand the rationale for developing spec jars here at
> Apache. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In order to use a spec jar
> from the JCP, you have to click a license every time you download it.
> And this can be a real usability problem if every user of a project
> needs to manually download just to click a license that they don't
> read anyway (oops, gotta stop that).
>
> It seems like a real waste of energy to have more than one spec jar in
> Apache per spec. Bygones. Whether this was accidental or intentional,
> it seems that we mostly need to agree on where the jars live and make
> sure that everyone knows where that is.
>
> So if I'm interested in using the Servlet 2.3 jar, which project does
> this live in, and who manages it? I'd think that a well-known
> directory might be just the thing. Perhaps a TLP responsible to track
> where the JCP spec jars are being developed? [It might be that Jakarta
> is the right TLP.] And a pointer to the repository where the spec jars
> can be downloaded (automatically, maven-style). And some common naming
> scheme that everyone agrees on.
>
> I doubt that there is enough in common among the spec jar developers
> to build a community around "spec jars". But certainly there is a
> community among the developers of Servlet and a different community
> among the developers of JDO and a different community for MyFaces, etc.
>
> So it sounds straightforward to me to establish a TLP to house a
> "directory" of the spec jars and which projects they belong to and
> where the binaries reside.
Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into this
now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I currently
have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars. I have no strong
feelings how the jars get into a central place for me to find them so
long as they are in a central place. That central place cannot be the
JCP web site.
Regards,
Alan
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Re: Starting a java specs project
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Craig L Russell wrote:
> On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
>> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>> Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into
>>> this now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I
>>> currently have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars. I have no
>>> strong feelings how the jars get into a central place for me to find
>>> them so long as they are in a central place. That central place
>>> cannot be the JCP web site.
>>
>>
>> Why the heck would it be the JCP web site?
>
>
> 'cause that's where you can always find the spec jars; no matter how
> hard it is to download them, it's really easy to find them.
And the license just doesn't work.
>
> As opposed to Apache, where it's really easy to download/use them but
> pretty tough to find them.
Oh. I thought that Alan was talking about something else.
Got it. Never mind. Hey look! Over there! A bird!
geir
>
> Craig
>
>>
>> geir
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> Craig Russell
>
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
>
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> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
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Re: Starting a java specs project
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Jan 1, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
>> Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into
>> this now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I
>> currently have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars. I have
>> no strong feelings how the jars get into a central place for me to
>> find them so long as they are in a central place. That central
>> place cannot be the JCP web site.
>
> Why the heck would it be the JCP web site?
'cause that's where you can always find the spec jars; no matter how
hard it is to download them, it's really easy to find them.
As opposed to Apache, where it's really easy to download/use them but
pretty tough to find them.
Craig
>
> geir
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Craig Russell
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408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: Starting a java specs project
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> Craig, you hit the nail on the head with this. I am running into this
> now. The impetus for my attempting to start this is that I currently
> have to go on an easter egg hunt for spec jars. I have no strong
> feelings how the jars get into a central place for me to find them so
> long as they are in a central place. That central place cannot be the
> JCP web site.
>
Why the heck would it be the JCP web site?
geir
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