subject line vote

[Jonathan Carlson <jc...@is.com>]

Brian at postmaster@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
understandably wants there to be a vote on whether to programmatically add
[ant-user] to the subject line of each message.  I'm kind of new to this so
I don't know who does the tallying.  I'll assume there is someone who runs
this list that tally's stuff like this.
 
+1
 

Jonathan Carlson,  Software Developer 
jcarlson@is.com 

Such ever was loves way: to rise, it stoops.   
     - Robert Browning


 

Re: subject line vote

[Ringo De Smet <Ri...@bigfoot.com>]

> 1) Is unnecessary as there are several ways to filter in almost any
> MUA that don't require rewriting the subject line.

I agree completely.

> 4) leads to
>
> [ant-user] SV: [ant-user] AW: [ant-user] Re: original subject
>
> because no mailing list managment software is smart enough to cope
> with all ways MUAs say they reply to something ("Re:" is the RFC
> choice but each nationalized version of MS products has its own
> prefix - with different capitalization depending on version or users
> taste or the phase of the moon ...)

I dislike all the added stuff to subject lines. My mail filter is set 
on 'To:/CC: ant-user@jakarta.apache.org' in KMail. When I have my 
message list of the Ant mail folder, I know every message in there has 
Ant as the subject. Why add [ant-uer] to the subject line. This wastes 
precious space in the subject column of the message list.

My vote:

-1

Ringo
-- 
**  Ringo De Smet         Ringo.DeSmet AT bigfoot.com  **

Re: subject line vote

[Jon Schewe <jp...@eggplant.mtu.net>]

I'd go either way, I just want to speak to a couple of Stefan's points.  

Stefan Bodewig <bo...@bost.de> writes:

> I've been told that my vote is void unless I give a rationale for it
> (thanks Conor).
> 
> OK, A prefix on the subject line
> 
> 1) Is unnecessary as there are several ways to filter in almost any
> MUA that don't require rewriting the subject line.

Yes, I can filter the list either way, just look at the devlivered-to or to/cc.

> 3) Is bad style

Not sure how it's bad style, but I'm open to reasoning.

> 4) leads to 
> 
> [ant-user] SV: [ant-user] AW: [ant-user] Re: original subject 
> 
> because no mailing list managment software is smart enough to cope
> with all ways MUAs say they reply to something ("Re:" is the RFC
> choice but each nationalized version of MS products has its own prefix
> - with different capitalization depending on version or users taste or
> the phase of the moon ...)

This can sometimes cause problems, but I've not seen many of these problems on
my other lists that have modified subject lines like this.  I believe the list
management software is ezlm.

> 5) breaks threading as long as MUAs don't use the References-Header
> for mails as well.

Some lists that I'm on use [<listname>] and it works just fine.  I've never
had any threading problems with this either, I'm using gnus others on the list
also run mutt and pine and don't have any threading problems as well.


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subject line vote -1 from me, dont bother reading

[Stuart Halloway <st...@develop.com>]

I agree with Stefan, and BTW this list has the most useful subject lines of
any list I follow.  I appreciate everyone's good netiquette (compare with
the Sun Java lists sometime, ugh).

Stuart Halloway
DevelopMentor
http://staff.develop.com/halloway

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Bodewig [mailto:bodewig@bost.de]
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:56 AM
> To: ant-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: subject line vote
>
>
> I've been told that my vote is void unless I give a rationale for it
> (thanks Conor).
>
> OK, A prefix on the subject line
>
> 1) Is unnecessary as there are several ways to filter in almost any
> MUA that don't require rewriting the subject line.
>
> 2) Violates RFCs
>
> 3) Is bad style
>
> 4) leads to
>
> [ant-user] SV: [ant-user] AW: [ant-user] Re: original subject
>
> because no mailing list managment software is smart enough to cope
> with all ways MUAs say they reply to something ("Re:" is the RFC
> choice but each nationalized version of MS products has its own prefix
> - with different capitalization depending on version or users taste or
> the phase of the moon ...)
>
> 5) breaks threading as long as MUAs don't use the References-Header
> for mails as well.
>
> So I repeat
>
> -1
>
> Stefan Bodewig

Re: subject line vote

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@bost.de>]

I've been told that my vote is void unless I give a rationale for it
(thanks Conor).

OK, A prefix on the subject line

1) Is unnecessary as there are several ways to filter in almost any
MUA that don't require rewriting the subject line.

2) Violates RFCs

3) Is bad style

4) leads to 

[ant-user] SV: [ant-user] AW: [ant-user] Re: original subject 

because no mailing list managment software is smart enough to cope
with all ways MUAs say they reply to something ("Re:" is the RFC
choice but each nationalized version of MS products has its own prefix
- with different capitalization depending on version or users taste or
the phase of the moon ...)

5) breaks threading as long as MUAs don't use the References-Header
for mails as well.

So I repeat

-1

Stefan Bodewig

Re: subject line vote

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@bost.de>]

-1