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Python Donation
While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the following comment
- python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle authors
rather than Oracle?
Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and is it
possible to help expedite the Python donation?
(1) https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Ernie Rael <er...@raelity.com>.
Does contrib python work and/or is it usable? (It's been indicated that
it builds)
Ifso, why not create a source repository and release some nbm's to the
plugin portal? (and get some feedback)
If it's in the main maven repository, couldn't there be an "install"
button in NB that downloads and installs the python nbm's? That process
is already part of NB isn't it?
In some ways it seems that having it donated is not the most important
issue.
-ernie
On 12/30/2021 9:37 AM, Eric Bresie wrote:
> Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the real
> world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
>
> I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take on some
> of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the status of
> which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
>
> This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython" team
> donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past so this
> was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
>
> The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since around 2015
> from what I can tell.
>
> There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but beyond
> that not much
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
>
> There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
>
> But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant authors to
> approve of this...
>
> And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed independently.
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the following
>>> comment
>>>
>>>
>>> - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
>>> o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle
>> authors
>>> rather than Oracle?
>>>
>>>
>>> Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and is it
>>> possible to help expedite the Python donation?
>>>
>>> (1)
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
>>> Eric Bresie
>>> ebresie@gmail.com
>>>
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Re: Python Donation
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021, 15:34 John Kostaras, <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
> C/C++ support.
>
> But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
> JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
> or Ruby, or Go you name it.
>
> I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
> supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how to
> do that.
>
> John.
>
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
> <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> > As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire exchange
> is
> > sad.
> > NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> > other languages
> > was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> > Studio Code (yuk)
> > simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> > always
> > first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because of
> > lack of support.
> >
> > I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't
> waste
> > my time trying
> > to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> > NetBeans structure.
> > mikej
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hallo all,
> > >
> > > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it
> > very
> > > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> > because
> > > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> > >
> > > This wiki page
> > > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It
> > is
> > > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How
> do
> > we
> > > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> > >
> > > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
> > > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> > >
> > > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning
> other
> > > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner
> > than
> > > expected.
> > >
> > > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> > >
> > > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> > >
> > > John.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> > mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Eric,
> > > >
> > > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work
> on
> > > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> > happens
> > > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ),
> the
> > > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a
> ,
> > > the
> > > > > mavenized version
> > > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > > ? Or something else?
> > > > >
> > > > > My branch
> > > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > > >
> > > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> > > > updated
> > > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once
> the
> > > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that what is meant?
> > > >
> > > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I
> don't
> > > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows
> into
> > > > NetBeans.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said
> that
> > > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > > implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some
> other
> > > > Python
> > > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this
> > > intended
> > > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> > > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > > knowledge about this.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
The good news is, both you and your colleague and Harry Fairhead are all
programmers. So, you can work with each other and Antonio (who has a great
proposal on this list) and others and (re)introduce any feature you want to
Apache NetBeans.
Gj
On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 11:26 AM mike james
<mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:04 PM Peter Blemel <pb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > For what it's worth, I use NetBeans 8.2 for C/C++ development out of
> > habit, sometimes daily, but have installed the 8.2 C/C++ module into NB12
> > with success. It is my go-to C/C++ IDE; however, I don't need all the
> > latest language features. I've used Eclipse and other free IDE's, but
> > NetBeans is (was) hands-down the best IDE to support many tool chains and
> > project configurations. I build or cross-compile for Linux x86 and x64,
> > Linux ARM 32 & 64 bit, Cygwin, QNX and do remote debugging. I have never
> > liked cmake, but while I'm not crazy about all of the Makefiles that
> > NetBeans creates it's pretty amazing on the whole. I'll use it for as
> long
> > as I can.
> >
> > A colleague has been doing the same but a few weeks ago reported that 8.2
> was getting too difficult to work with.
> (I forget what the final straw was but I could ask.) So I'm now moving them
> onto VS Code and they are not happy.
> I also work with Harry Fairhead on his C books for the Raspberry Pi and
> Pico and he used
> to include how to set up and use NetBeans but the current editions use VS
> Code - he isn't happy either and would
> really like to go back to NetBeans in the next edition.
> mikej
>
>
>
> > Peter
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 7:33 AM
> > Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Python Donation
> >
> > And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
> > C/C++ support.
> >
> > But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
> > JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
> > or Ruby, or Go you name it.
> >
> > I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
> > supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how
> to
> > do that.
> >
> > John.
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
> > <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire
> exchange
> > is
> > > sad.
> > > NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> > > other languages
> > > was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> > > Studio Code (yuk)
> > > simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> > > always
> > > first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because
> of
> > > lack of support.
> > >
> > > I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't
> > waste
> > > my time trying
> > > to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> > > NetBeans structure.
> > > mikej
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hallo all,
> > > >
> > > > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find
> it
> > > very
> > > > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> > > because
> > > > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> > > >
> > > > This wiki page
> > > > <
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > > > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past.
> It
> > > is
> > > > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > > > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How
> > do
> > > we
> > > > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> > > >
> > > > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands
> the
> > > > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > > > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> > > >
> > > > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning
> > other
> > > > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself,
> sooner
> > > than
> > > > expected.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> > > >
> > > > John.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> > > mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Eric,
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that
> work
> > on
> > > > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> > > happens
> > > > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ),
> > the
> > > > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > > >
> http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a
> > ,
> > > > the
> > > > > > mavenized version
> > > > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > > > ? Or something else?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My branch
> > > > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a
> cluster,
> > > > > updated
> > > > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once
> > the
> > > > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the
> status).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that what is meant?
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I
> > don't
> > > > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows
> > into
> > > > > NetBeans.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said
> > that
> > > > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done
> elsewhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > > > implementation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some
> > other
> > > > > Python
> > > > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this
> > > > intended
> > > > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that
> he
> > > > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > > > knowledge about this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > > Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by mike james <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.INVALID>.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:04 PM Peter Blemel <pb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I use NetBeans 8.2 for C/C++ development out of
> habit, sometimes daily, but have installed the 8.2 C/C++ module into NB12
> with success. It is my go-to C/C++ IDE; however, I don't need all the
> latest language features. I've used Eclipse and other free IDE's, but
> NetBeans is (was) hands-down the best IDE to support many tool chains and
> project configurations. I build or cross-compile for Linux x86 and x64,
> Linux ARM 32 & 64 bit, Cygwin, QNX and do remote debugging. I have never
> liked cmake, but while I'm not crazy about all of the Makefiles that
> NetBeans creates it's pretty amazing on the whole. I'll use it for as long
> as I can.
>
> A colleague has been doing the same but a few weeks ago reported that 8.2
was getting too difficult to work with.
(I forget what the final straw was but I could ask.) So I'm now moving them
onto VS Code and they are not happy.
I also work with Harry Fairhead on his C books for the Raspberry Pi and
Pico and he used
to include how to set up and use NetBeans but the current editions use VS
Code - he isn't happy either and would
really like to go back to NetBeans in the next edition.
mikej
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 7:33 AM
> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Python Donation
>
> And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
> C/C++ support.
>
> But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
> JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
> or Ruby, or Go you name it.
>
> I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
> supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how to
> do that.
>
> John.
>
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
> <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> > As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire exchange
> is
> > sad.
> > NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> > other languages
> > was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> > Studio Code (yuk)
> > simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> > always
> > first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because of
> > lack of support.
> >
> > I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't
> waste
> > my time trying
> > to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> > NetBeans structure.
> > mikej
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hallo all,
> > >
> > > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it
> > very
> > > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> > because
> > > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> > >
> > > This wiki page
> > > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It
> > is
> > > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How
> do
> > we
> > > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> > >
> > > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
> > > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> > >
> > > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning
> other
> > > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner
> > than
> > > expected.
> > >
> > > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> > >
> > > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> > >
> > > John.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> > mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Eric,
> > > >
> > > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work
> on
> > > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> > happens
> > > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ),
> the
> > > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a
> ,
> > > the
> > > > > mavenized version
> > > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > > ? Or something else?
> > > > >
> > > > > My branch
> > > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > > >
> > > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> > > > updated
> > > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once
> the
> > > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that what is meant?
> > > >
> > > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I
> don't
> > > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows
> into
> > > > NetBeans.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said
> that
> > > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > > implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some
> other
> > > > Python
> > > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this
> > > intended
> > > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> > > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > > knowledge about this.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Peter Blemel <pb...@hotmail.com>.
For what it's worth, I use NetBeans 8.2 for C/C++ development out of habit, sometimes daily, but have installed the 8.2 C/C++ module into NB12 with success. It is my go-to C/C++ IDE; however, I don't need all the latest language features. I've used Eclipse and other free IDE's, but NetBeans is (was) hands-down the best IDE to support many tool chains and project configurations. I build or cross-compile for Linux x86 and x64, Linux ARM 32 & 64 bit, Cygwin, QNX and do remote debugging. I have never liked cmake, but while I'm not crazy about all of the Makefiles that NetBeans creates it's pretty amazing on the whole. I'll use it for as long as I can.
I use NetBeans 12 for J2EE development, using MariaDB and deploying to Payara. The HTML and JavaScript support is pretty good and since I use NetBeans so much for C/C++ I use it for as much as I can - although, I usually debug HTML/JavaScript in the Browser. The workflow is pretty easy.
I am currently using PyCharm for all of my Python development. The Community version has so much functionality that's hard to beat for the price. I haven't tried CLion or other JetBrains C/C++ tools, mostly because NetBeans has all the functionality that I need for free.
Peter
________________________________
From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 7:33 AM
Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Python Donation
And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
C/C++ support.
But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
or Ruby, or Go you name it.
I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how to
do that.
John.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
<mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire exchange is
> sad.
> NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> other languages
> was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> Studio Code (yuk)
> simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> always
> first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because of
> lack of support.
>
> I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't waste
> my time trying
> to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> NetBeans structure.
> mikej
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hallo all,
> >
> > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it
> very
> > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> because
> > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> >
> > This wiki page
> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It
> is
> > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How do
> we
> > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> >
> > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
> > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> >
> > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning other
> > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner
> than
> > expected.
> >
> > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> >
> > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Eric,
> > >
> > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > >
> > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
> > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> happens
> > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ), the
> > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a ,
> > the
> > > > mavenized version
> > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > ? Or something else?
> > > >
> > > > My branch
> > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > >
> > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> > > updated
> > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > >
> > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once the
> > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> > > >
> > > > Is that what is meant?
> > >
> > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I don't
> > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows into
> > > NetBeans.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
> > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > >
> > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > implementation.
> > > >
> > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some other
> > > Python
> > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > >
> > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this
> > intended
> > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > knowledge about this.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > >
> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
C/C++ support.
But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
or Ruby, or Go you name it.
I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how to
do that.
John.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
<mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire exchange is
> sad.
> NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> other languages
> was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> Studio Code (yuk)
> simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> always
> first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because of
> lack of support.
>
> I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't waste
> my time trying
> to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> NetBeans structure.
> mikej
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hallo all,
> >
> > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it
> very
> > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> because
> > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> >
> > This wiki page
> > <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It
> is
> > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How do
> we
> > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> >
> > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
> > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> >
> > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning other
> > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner
> than
> > expected.
> >
> > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> >
> > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Eric,
> > >
> > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > >
> > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
> > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> happens
> > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ), the
> > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a ,
> > the
> > > > mavenized version
> > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > ? Or something else?
> > > >
> > > > My branch
> > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > >
> > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> > > updated
> > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > >
> > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once the
> > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> > > >
> > > > Is that what is meant?
> > >
> > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I don't
> > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows into
> > > NetBeans.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
> > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > >
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > >
> > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > implementation.
> > > >
> > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some other
> > > Python
> > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > >
> > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this
> > intended
> > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > knowledge about this.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > >
> > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by mike james <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.INVALID>.
As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire exchange is
sad.
NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
other languages
was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
Studio Code (yuk)
simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
always
first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because of
lack of support.
I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't waste
my time trying
to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
NetBeans structure.
mikej
On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hallo all,
>
> NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it very
> sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it because
> it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
>
> This wiki page
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It is
> true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How do we
> integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
>
> The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
> code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
>
> I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning other
> programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner than
> expected.
>
> Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
>
> Kind regards and happy New Year,
>
> John.
>
>
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > So then what’s next?
> > > >
> > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
> > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation happens
> > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > >
> > >
> > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ), the
> > > mirrored hg code
> > > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a ,
> the
> > > mavenized version
> > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > ? Or something else?
> > >
> > > My branch
> > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > >
> > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> > updated
> > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > >
> > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once the
> > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> > >
> > > Is that what is meant?
> >
> > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I don't
> > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows into
> > NetBeans.
> >
> > >
> > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
> > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > >
> > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> > >
> > >
> > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > implementation.
> > >
> > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some other
> > Python
> > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > >
> > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this
> intended
> > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > >
> >
> > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > knowledge about this.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> >
> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>.
Hallo all,
NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it very
sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it because
it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
This wiki page
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It is
true that they have been developed with different technologies and
versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How do we
integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning other
programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner than
expected.
Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
Kind regards and happy New Year,
John.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>
wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > So then what’s next?
> > >
> > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
> > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation happens
> > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> >
> >
> > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ), the
> > mirrored hg code
> > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a , the
> > mavenized version
> > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > ? Or something else?
> >
> > My branch
> > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> >
> > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> updated
> > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> >
> > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once the
> > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> >
> > Is that what is meant?
>
> Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I don't
> have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows into
> NetBeans.
>
> >
> > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
> > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > >
> > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> implementation.
> >
> > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some other
> Python
> > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> >
> > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this intended
> > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> >
>
> Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> knowledge about this.
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
>
> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>
>
>
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi Eric,
Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > So then what’s next?
> >
> > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
> > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation happens
> > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
>
>
> From the nbpython code (I.e.
> https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ), the
> mirrored hg code
> http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a , the
> mavenized version
> https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> ? Or something else?
>
> My branch
> https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
>
> had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster, updated
> headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
>
> I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once the
> donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
>
> Is that what is meant?
Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I don't
have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows into
NetBeans.
>
> Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
> > the LSP approach might work and given that
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> >
> > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
>
>
> I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python implementation.
>
> For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some other Python
> LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
>
> Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this intended
> to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
>
Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
knowledge about this.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: Python Donation
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 1:16 PM Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 18:58 +0000 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > And there is still no completed donation.
>
> Yes, from my POV this is a good example, that the CLA model of
> development does not work. The only argument for the CLA is, that a
> single party is able to handle copyright and licenses in a sane way,
> that only worked partially and took a really long time. At least that
> is a result of this demonstration.
>
> You should keep in mind, that the first donations were driven by
> Geertjan, who put a lot of effort into it and we don't know how much
> more effort it took behind the scenes. I would not bet on any more
> donations.
>
Do want to say I appreciated the hard work Geertjan did previously and was
sad when he was no longer still there to spearhead these sorts of things…
> So then what’s next?
>
> Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
> Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation happens
> the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
From the nbpython code (I.e.
https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ), the
mirrored hg code
http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a , the
mavenized version
https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
? Or something else?
My branch
https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster, updated
headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once the
donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
Is that what is meant?
Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
> the LSP approach might work and given that
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
>
> is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python implementation.
For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some other Python
LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change? Or was this intended
to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
Thanks for the input
Eric
--
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 18:58 +0000 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> And there is still no completed donation.
Yes, from my POV this is a good example, that the CLA model of
development does not work. The only argument for the CLA is, that a
single party is able to handle copyright and licenses in a sane way,
that only worked partially and took a really long time. At least that
is a result of this demonstration.
You should keep in mind, that the first donations were driven by
Geertjan, who put a lot of effort into it and we don't know how much
more effort it took behind the scenes. I would not bet on any more
donations.
> So then what’s next?
Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work on
Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation happens
the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said that
the LSP approach might work and given that
https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: Python Donation
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Attempts to gain knowledge count a lot. How many people have shown up so
far to help you in those attempts? Do you believe that there are people out
there saying to themselves: "No! I will not help that guy with all my
knowledge of Python in NetBeans. I will NOT help that guy. My head is
filled with knowledge that could help him, but I will keep it all to
myself."
Gj
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 7:59 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I think whats being said is no one having the knowledge or can help is
> present on the mailing list and all calls to do so are going nowhere.
>
> Attempts to gain knowledge (I.e. like trying to learn it and getting it to
> build) don’t apparently count…
>
> And there is still no completed donation.
>
> So then what’s next?
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:36:53 PM
> To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Python Donation
>
> Nothing to do with being welcoming to new developers. Everything to do with
> people knowledgeable about the codebase in question, i.e., the Python
> modules were written by people who are not on this mailing list and who are
> not involved in Apache NetBeans.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 7:23 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Your right I’m not someone that knows all the inner workings of all
> things
> > Netbeans or Python, which is why I’ve been asking to those on the list to
> > get guidance. I’m doing this in my free time without support elsewhere.
> >
> > Over the course of the last few years, I’ve waited for donation updates
> > without much luck. I got it compiling, I updated licenses assuming it was
> > eventually going to come through, and found problems that will need to be
> > resolved eventually (i.e. GitHub CI builds failure due to api depreciated
> > api check).
> >
> > This is what I’ve done so far (see screenshots of working code on my
> notes
> > here
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ua48Uu6OTKNkcG_9sQOOicl5JpjrBtMgSy4SSjumAuU
> >
> > So if that isn’t enough then maybe I should move on to a community more
> > welcome to new developers.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 12:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry but trying to is not enough -- what percentage of that code
> do
> > > you actually really understand? How sure are you that you want that
> code
> > to
> > > be released as part of Apache NetBeans? Are you going to be the one who
> > > will fix all the issues that are in that code?
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:55 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is none of this [1] [2] considered actively [trying to] work on it?
> > > >
> > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > Ref:
> > > > (1)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=4y:&header_subject=python
> > > > (2) https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to
> have
> > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the
> > > real
> > > > > > world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to
> take
> > > on
> > > > > some
> > > > > > of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the
> > > status
> > > > of
> > > > > > which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython"
> > team
> > > > > > donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the
> past
> > so
> > > > > this
> > > > > > was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS
> Code,
> > > > > > Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since
> > > around
> > > > > 2015
> > > > > > from what I can tell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but
> > > > beyond
> > > > > > that not much
> > > > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> > > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant
> > authors
> > > > to
> > > > > > approve of this...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed
> > > > > independently.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <ebresie@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the
> > > > following
> > > > > > > > comment
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > > > > > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its
> > > non-Oracle
> > > > > > > authors
> > > > > > > > rather than Oracle?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors"
> > and
> > > > is
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (1)
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > --
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
So I think whats being said is no one having the knowledge or can help is present on the mailing list and all calls to do so are going nowhere.
Attempts to gain knowledge (I.e. like trying to learn it and getting it to build) don’t apparently count…
And there is still no completed donation.
So then what’s next?
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________________________________
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:36:53 PM
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Python Donation
Nothing to do with being welcoming to new developers. Everything to do with
people knowledgeable about the codebase in question, i.e., the Python
modules were written by people who are not on this mailing list and who are
not involved in Apache NetBeans.
Gj
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 7:23 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your right I’m not someone that knows all the inner workings of all things
> Netbeans or Python, which is why I’ve been asking to those on the list to
> get guidance. I’m doing this in my free time without support elsewhere.
>
> Over the course of the last few years, I’ve waited for donation updates
> without much luck. I got it compiling, I updated licenses assuming it was
> eventually going to come through, and found problems that will need to be
> resolved eventually (i.e. GitHub CI builds failure due to api depreciated
> api check).
>
> This is what I’ve done so far (see screenshots of working code on my notes
> here
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ua48Uu6OTKNkcG_9sQOOicl5JpjrBtMgSy4SSjumAuU
>
> So if that isn’t enough then maybe I should move on to a community more
> welcome to new developers.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 12:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry but trying to is not enough -- what percentage of that code do
> > you actually really understand? How sure are you that you want that code
> to
> > be released as part of Apache NetBeans? Are you going to be the one who
> > will fix all the issues that are in that code?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:55 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Is none of this [1] [2] considered actively [trying to] work on it?
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> > > Ref:
> > > (1)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=4y:&header_subject=python
> > > (2) https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to have
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the
> > real
> > > > > world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take
> > on
> > > > some
> > > > > of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the
> > status
> > > of
> > > > > which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
> > > > >
> > > > > This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython"
> team
> > > > > donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past
> so
> > > > this
> > > > > was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> > > > > Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
> > > > >
> > > > > The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since
> > around
> > > > 2015
> > > > > from what I can tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but
> > > beyond
> > > > > that not much
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
> > > > >
> > > > > There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
> > > > >
> > > > > But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant
> authors
> > > to
> > > > > approve of this...
> > > > >
> > > > > And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed
> > > > independently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the
> > > following
> > > > > > > comment
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > > > > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its
> > non-Oracle
> > > > > > authors
> > > > > > > rather than Oracle?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors"
> and
> > > is
> > > > it
> > > > > > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (1)
> > > > > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Nothing to do with being welcoming to new developers. Everything to do with
people knowledgeable about the codebase in question, i.e., the Python
modules were written by people who are not on this mailing list and who are
not involved in Apache NetBeans.
Gj
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 7:23 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your right I’m not someone that knows all the inner workings of all things
> Netbeans or Python, which is why I’ve been asking to those on the list to
> get guidance. I’m doing this in my free time without support elsewhere.
>
> Over the course of the last few years, I’ve waited for donation updates
> without much luck. I got it compiling, I updated licenses assuming it was
> eventually going to come through, and found problems that will need to be
> resolved eventually (i.e. GitHub CI builds failure due to api depreciated
> api check).
>
> This is what I’ve done so far (see screenshots of working code on my notes
> here
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ua48Uu6OTKNkcG_9sQOOicl5JpjrBtMgSy4SSjumAuU
>
> So if that isn’t enough then maybe I should move on to a community more
> welcome to new developers.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 12:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry but trying to is not enough -- what percentage of that code do
> > you actually really understand? How sure are you that you want that code
> to
> > be released as part of Apache NetBeans? Are you going to be the one who
> > will fix all the issues that are in that code?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:55 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Is none of this [1] [2] considered actively [trying to] work on it?
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> > > Ref:
> > > (1)
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=4y:&header_subject=python
> > > (2) https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to have
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the
> > real
> > > > > world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take
> > on
> > > > some
> > > > > of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the
> > status
> > > of
> > > > > which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
> > > > >
> > > > > This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython"
> team
> > > > > donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past
> so
> > > > this
> > > > > was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> > > > > Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
> > > > >
> > > > > The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since
> > around
> > > > 2015
> > > > > from what I can tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but
> > > beyond
> > > > > that not much
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
> > > > >
> > > > > There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
> > > > >
> > > > > But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant
> authors
> > > to
> > > > > approve of this...
> > > > >
> > > > > And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed
> > > > independently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the
> > > following
> > > > > > > comment
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > > > > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its
> > non-Oracle
> > > > > > authors
> > > > > > > rather than Oracle?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors"
> and
> > > is
> > > > it
> > > > > > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (1)
> > > > > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Your right I’m not someone that knows all the inner workings of all things
Netbeans or Python, which is why I’ve been asking to those on the list to
get guidance. I’m doing this in my free time without support elsewhere.
Over the course of the last few years, I’ve waited for donation updates
without much luck. I got it compiling, I updated licenses assuming it was
eventually going to come through, and found problems that will need to be
resolved eventually (i.e. GitHub CI builds failure due to api depreciated
api check).
This is what I’ve done so far (see screenshots of working code on my notes
here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ua48Uu6OTKNkcG_9sQOOicl5JpjrBtMgSy4SSjumAuU
So if that isn’t enough then maybe I should move on to a community more
welcome to new developers.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 12:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I'm sorry but trying to is not enough -- what percentage of that code do
> you actually really understand? How sure are you that you want that code to
> be released as part of Apache NetBeans? Are you going to be the one who
> will fix all the issues that are in that code?
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:55 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is none of this [1] [2] considered actively [trying to] work on it?
> >
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
> > Ref:
> > (1)
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=4y:&header_subject=python
> > (2) https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to have
> it.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the
> real
> > > > world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
> > > >
> > > > I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take
> on
> > > some
> > > > of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the
> status
> > of
> > > > which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
> > > >
> > > > This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython" team
> > > > donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past so
> > > this
> > > > was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> > > > Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
> > > >
> > > > The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since
> around
> > > 2015
> > > > from what I can tell.
> > > >
> > > > There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but
> > beyond
> > > > that not much
> > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
> > > >
> > > > There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
> > > >
> > > > But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant authors
> > to
> > > > approve of this...
> > > >
> > > > And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed
> > > independently.
> > > >
> > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the
> > following
> > > > > > comment
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > > > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its
> non-Oracle
> > > > > authors
> > > > > > rather than Oracle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and
> > is
> > > it
> > > > > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (1)
> > > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
I'm sorry but trying to is not enough -- what percentage of that code do
you actually really understand? How sure are you that you want that code to
be released as part of Apache NetBeans? Are you going to be the one who
will fix all the issues that are in that code?
Gj
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:55 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is none of this [1] [2] considered actively [trying to] work on it?
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
> Ref:
> (1)
>
> https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=4y:&header_subject=python
> (2) https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to have it.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the real
> > > world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
> > >
> > > I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take on
> > some
> > > of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the status
> of
> > > which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
> > >
> > > This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython" team
> > > donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past so
> > this
> > > was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> > > Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
> > >
> > > The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since around
> > 2015
> > > from what I can tell.
> > >
> > > There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but
> beyond
> > > that not much
> > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
> > >
> > > There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
> > >
> > > But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant authors
> to
> > > approve of this...
> > >
> > > And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed
> > independently.
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the
> following
> > > > > comment
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle
> > > > authors
> > > > > rather than Oracle?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and
> is
> > it
> > > > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > > > >
> > > > > (1)
> > > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Is none of this [1] [2] considered actively [trying to] work on it?
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
Ref:
(1)
https://lists.apache.org/list?dev@netbeans.apache.org:lte=4y:&header_subject=python
(2) https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to have it.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the real
> > world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
> >
> > I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take on
> some
> > of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the status of
> > which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
> >
> > This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython" team
> > donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past so
> this
> > was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> > Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
> >
> > The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since around
> 2015
> > from what I can tell.
> >
> > There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but beyond
> > that not much
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
> >
> > There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
> >
> > But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant authors to
> > approve of this...
> >
> > And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed
> independently.
> >
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the following
> > > > comment
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle
> > > authors
> > > > rather than Oracle?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and is
> it
> > > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > > >
> > > > (1)
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > > >
> > > > Eric Bresie
> > > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
If no one is going to actively work on it, we shouldn't want to have it.
Gj
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the real
> world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
>
> I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take on some
> of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the status of
> which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
>
> This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython" team
> donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past so this
> was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
> Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
>
> The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since around 2015
> from what I can tell.
>
> There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but beyond
> that not much
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
>
> There may be a snapshot of code still available here
> https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
>
> But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant authors to
> approve of this...
>
> And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed independently.
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the following
> > > comment
> > >
> > >
> > > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle
> > authors
> > > rather than Oracle?
> > >
> > >
> > > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and is it
> > > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> > >
> > > (1)
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebresie@gmail.com
> > >
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Given python is one of the most prominent languages in use in the real
world, I would assume there would be a demand for it.
I've tried many times over the course of the last few years to take on some
of this, but it's always ended up ("wait for donation 6" - the status of
which is listed below) or start over [with LSP].
This email thread was coming from the prospect of the "NBPython" team
donating things....but I've not heard much from anyone in the past so this
was a last attempt (before doing any future python work on VS Code,
Eclipse, or IntelliJ)
The http://nbpython.org/ site has not seen much movement since around 2015
from what I can tell.
There seemed to be some activity at some point on sourceforge but beyond
that not much
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/
There may be a snapshot of code still available here
https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/
But once again it comes to approval / licensing from relevant authors to
approve of this...
And should it be integrated into Netbeans proper or managed independently.
Eric Bresie
ebresie@gmail.com
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:04 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the following
> > comment
> >
> >
> > - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> > o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle
> authors
> > rather than Oracle?
> >
> >
> > Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and is it
> > possible to help expedite the Python donation?
> >
> > (1)
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> >
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebresie@gmail.com
> >
>
Re: Python Donation
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Is anyone going to be actively developing that code?
Gj
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While reviewing "Apache Transition" page (1) I noticed the following
> comment
>
>
> - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
> o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle authors
> rather than Oracle?
>
>
> Is anyone on the mailing list one of the "non-Oracle authors" and is it
> possible to help expedite the Python donation?
>
> (1) https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebresie@gmail.com
>