Re[2]: Is jsp designed for use by large websites

[Dima Retov <di...@axisway.com>]

How do you know that there are more PHP developers then Java?

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Thursday, November 30, 2006, 4:39:59 PM, you wrote:

HKN> I am a jsp developer ,too, but honestly not a j2ee guru.

HKN> I don't see any reason that jsp/j2ee will have a bad potential in the
HKN> future.
HKN> However, by the time jsf is mature, jsp users may be gradually transformed
HKN> to jsf/ajax developers  which is a modern trend in the future.
HKN> jsp/jsf has one great advantage in using JAVA as mid-tier or business logic
HKN> language. Consequently the combination of jsp/jsf/j2ee is best suited for
HKN> enterprise level, multi-tier webapps while PHP is versatile (but not the
HKN> best) and easy maintenance. It depends on the choice between convenience and
HKN> power. In addition, the "catch" for jsp/jsf/j2ee is "huge learning carve" to
HKN> get the most out of jsp/jsf. That's the main reason why PHP developers are
HKN> more common than j2ee developers.




HKN> On 11/30/06, Jack <vi...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
>>
>> > Good Morning Jack-
>> > As Tomcat is OpenSource (and not proprietary) and
>> > can be installed on any OS (vs just 1) I dont
>> > undertand
>> > What is causing the number of Tomcat users to
>> > attenuate over time?
>> > M
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My logic is:
>>
>> 1a. JSP is not supported by many web hosting companies
>> or is only supported in more expensive dedicated
>> server plans. In contrast, open source alternatives
>> such as php is well-supported by web hosting
>> companies.
>>   -> Result: most small and medium sized
>> websites/webapps that do not need a dedicated server
>> use php.
>> 1b. JSP has many great features. But php is also very
>> powerful and has some capabilities that jsp doesn't
>> have.
>>   -> Result: some heavy-traffic websites/webapps that
>> require dedicated servers use jsp. Some others use php
>> (eg. yahoo
>> [http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963937.html]).
>>     -> 2. There are more php users than jsp users.
>>       -> 3. More people get involved in the
>> development and support of php, while fewer people get
>> involved in the development and support of jsp/tomcat.
>>         -> Result 1: PHP evolves in a faster pace.
>> Some great features that only jsp supports originally
>> may start to be supported by php.
>>         -> Result 2: More (open source) tools/programs
>> are built on top of php. For example, open-source
>> software, phpbb, is used to run many heavy traffic
>> forums such as forums.mozillazine.org.
>>           -> 4. As php becomes more powerful and there
>> are more php tools/programs, more people switch to it.
>> So, we go back to point 2 and the circulation
>> continues.
>>             -> 5. The number of jsp users becomes
>> smaller.
>>               -> 6. Fewer people will get involved in
>> the development and support of jsp/tomcat and so the
>> future of jsp/tomcat will become less certain.
>>
>> I point this out because i like jsp and i am concerned
>> about its future. I am not sure if my logic is
>> correct. Correct me if you find any mistakes.
>>
>>
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