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Posted to dev@directory.apache.org by Sebastian Stranieri <se...@doorconsulting.com.ar> on 2007/08/27 04:42:37 UTC
What about languages?
Hey! Hi from Argentina,
Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that its a
great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this can
help to software distribution.
I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
Regards,
Sebastián Stranieri, CISSP
Door consulting
http://www.doorconsulting.com.ar <http://www.shellcode.com.ar>
Paraná 264, Piso 4to, Of.46 - C1017AAF
Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires - Argentina
Phone/FAX: +54 (11) 57.11.52.63
Mobile: +54 (911) 64.84.73.22
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
We already have a copule of JIRA for that :
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DIRSERVER-914
and
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DIRSERVER-441
but we need a new one for I18n error messages, for sure !
On 8/27/07, Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey there's also the idea of having internationalized error messages in
> the server which can be returned based on the default locale of the user ;).
>
> Internationalization with resource bundles for server error messages is yet
> another domain for this effort.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On 8/27/07, Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Stefan,
> >
> > I think the best solution would be to add a tag to each part of
> > documentation which can be translated. May be a national flag coul dbe
> > the sign that the piece is ready to be translated.
> >
> > The good point about confluence is that if the doco is being changed
> > in the original english version, all the subscibed documenters will
> > receive a notification, thus making it easy for the person responsible
> > of the translation to know which part has been changed (as we have a
> > colored diff available too).
> >
> > The main issue right now is to find out how we can have a langage
> > dependent confluence (I mean, having the same page selected in each
> > language depending on the reader selection/preference). Any Confluence
> > guru out there ?
> >
> >
> > On 8/27/07, Stefan Zoerner < stefan@labeo.de> wrote:
> > > Hi Sebastián!
> > >
> > > I like the idea of providing information in other languages, although I
> > > would not recommend to translate the whole thing. Our documentation
> > > lacks completeness and will hopefully get a rework in the next months.
> > > In any case, it is a somewhat moving target for translation.
> > >
> > > Advanced users should be able to communicate in English anyway -- our
> > > list, our source code documentation, all these things are in this
> language.
> > >
> > > But it would be nice to have a sufficient amount of documentation
> > > translated into several languages in order to get started. We have
> > > native speakers for English, French and German available, you are a
> > > perfect fit to add yet another (and more important) language.
> > >
> > > I would recommend to extract those portions of the Basic User's Guide,
> > > which are really relevant in order to get started, try to make them
> > > stable, and translate this portion into several languages.
> > >
> > > As a first step for this, you might scan the Basic Users's Guide here:
> > >
> http://directory.apache.org/apacheds/1.0/apacheds-v10-basic-users-guide.html
> > >
> > > What portions do you think are relevant? What is missing?
> > >
> > > Perhaps you are interested not only to translate existing documentation,
> > > but also to create new content. This will likely depend on your skills
> > > and interests -- let us know!
> > >
> > > Greetings from Hamburg,
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sebastian Stranieri wrote:
> > > > Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> > > > propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it's
> a
> > > > great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and
> this
> > > > can help to software distribution.
> > > >
> > > > I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Cordialement,
> > Emmanuel Lécharny
> > www.iktek.com
> >
>
>
--
Regards,
Cordialement,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
Hey there's also the idea of having internationalized error messages in
the server which can be returned based on the default locale of the user ;).
Internationalization with resource bundles for server error messages is yet
another domain for this effort.
Alex
On 8/27/07, Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> I think the best solution would be to add a tag to each part of
> documentation which can be translated. May be a national flag coul dbe
> the sign that the piece is ready to be translated.
>
> The good point about confluence is that if the doco is being changed
> in the original english version, all the subscibed documenters will
> receive a notification, thus making it easy for the person responsible
> of the translation to know which part has been changed (as we have a
> colored diff available too).
>
> The main issue right now is to find out how we can have a langage
> dependent confluence (I mean, having the same page selected in each
> language depending on the reader selection/preference). Any Confluence
> guru out there ?
>
>
> On 8/27/07, Stefan Zoerner <st...@labeo.de> wrote:
> > Hi Sebastián!
> >
> > I like the idea of providing information in other languages, although I
> > would not recommend to translate the whole thing. Our documentation
> > lacks completeness and will hopefully get a rework in the next months.
> > In any case, it is a somewhat moving target for translation.
> >
> > Advanced users should be able to communicate in English anyway -- our
> > list, our source code documentation, all these things are in this
> language.
> >
> > But it would be nice to have a sufficient amount of documentation
> > translated into several languages in order to get started. We have
> > native speakers for English, French and German available, you are a
> > perfect fit to add yet another (and more important) language.
> >
> > I would recommend to extract those portions of the Basic User's Guide,
> > which are really relevant in order to get started, try to make them
> > stable, and translate this portion into several languages.
> >
> > As a first step for this, you might scan the Basic Users's Guide here:
> >
> http://directory.apache.org/apacheds/1.0/apacheds-v10-basic-users-guide.html
> >
> > What portions do you think are relevant? What is missing?
> >
> > Perhaps you are interested not only to translate existing documentation,
> > but also to create new content. This will likely depend on your skills
> > and interests -- let us know!
> >
> > Greetings from Hamburg,
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> > Sebastian Stranieri wrote:
> > > Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> > > propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it's
> a
> > > great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and
> this
> > > can help to software distribution.
> > >
> > > I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Cordialement,
> Emmanuel Lécharny
> www.iktek.com
>
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Hi Stefan,
I think the best solution would be to add a tag to each part of
documentation which can be translated. May be a national flag coul dbe
the sign that the piece is ready to be translated.
The good point about confluence is that if the doco is being changed
in the original english version, all the subscibed documenters will
receive a notification, thus making it easy for the person responsible
of the translation to know which part has been changed (as we have a
colored diff available too).
The main issue right now is to find out how we can have a langage
dependent confluence (I mean, having the same page selected in each
language depending on the reader selection/preference). Any Confluence
guru out there ?
On 8/27/07, Stefan Zoerner <st...@labeo.de> wrote:
> Hi Sebastián!
>
> I like the idea of providing information in other languages, although I
> would not recommend to translate the whole thing. Our documentation
> lacks completeness and will hopefully get a rework in the next months.
> In any case, it is a somewhat moving target for translation.
>
> Advanced users should be able to communicate in English anyway -- our
> list, our source code documentation, all these things are in this language.
>
> But it would be nice to have a sufficient amount of documentation
> translated into several languages in order to get started. We have
> native speakers for English, French and German available, you are a
> perfect fit to add yet another (and more important) language.
>
> I would recommend to extract those portions of the Basic User's Guide,
> which are really relevant in order to get started, try to make them
> stable, and translate this portion into several languages.
>
> As a first step for this, you might scan the Basic Users's Guide here:
> http://directory.apache.org/apacheds/1.0/apacheds-v10-basic-users-guide.html
>
> What portions do you think are relevant? What is missing?
>
> Perhaps you are interested not only to translate existing documentation,
> but also to create new content. This will likely depend on your skills
> and interests -- let us know!
>
> Greetings from Hamburg,
> Stefan
>
>
>
> Sebastian Stranieri wrote:
> > Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> > propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it's a
> > great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this
> > can help to software distribution.
> >
> > I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
>
>
>
--
Regards,
Cordialement,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Stefan Zoerner <st...@labeo.de>.
Hi Sebastián!
I like the idea of providing information in other languages, although I
would not recommend to translate the whole thing. Our documentation
lacks completeness and will hopefully get a rework in the next months.
In any case, it is a somewhat moving target for translation.
Advanced users should be able to communicate in English anyway -- our
list, our source code documentation, all these things are in this language.
But it would be nice to have a sufficient amount of documentation
translated into several languages in order to get started. We have
native speakers for English, French and German available, you are a
perfect fit to add yet another (and more important) language.
I would recommend to extract those portions of the Basic User's Guide,
which are really relevant in order to get started, try to make them
stable, and translate this portion into several languages.
As a first step for this, you might scan the Basic Users's Guide here:
http://directory.apache.org/apacheds/1.0/apacheds-v10-basic-users-guide.html
What portions do you think are relevant? What is missing?
Perhaps you are interested not only to translate existing documentation,
but also to create new content. This will likely depend on your skills
and interests -- let us know!
Greetings from Hamburg,
Stefan
Sebastian Stranieri wrote:
> Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it’s a
> great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this
> can help to software distribution.
>
> I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
Yeah Stefan I think Studio is the most important since it is more front
facing.
More people will be using Studio than developers reading messages from ADS.
Good idea!
Alex
On 8/27/07, Stefan Seelmann <se...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> One more cool thing could be translated messages for Apache Directory
> Studio. Some messages are already externalized as resource bundles and
> are ready to be translated. But most of the messages are still hardwired
> in the code :-(. I'll create a Jira to externalize these messages.
> Afterwards we could start with translating the resource bundles.
>
> Thanks Sebastian, for volunteering :-)
>
> Regards,
> Stefan Seelmann
>
>
> Sebastian Stranieri schrieb:
> > Hey! Hi from Argentina,
> >
> > Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> > propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it's a
> > great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this
> > can help to software distribution.
> >
> > I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sebastián Stranieri, CISSP
> >
> > Door consulting
> >
> > _____http://www.doorconsulting.com.ar_ <http://www.shellcode.com.ar>
> >
> > Paraná 264, Piso 4to, Of.46 - C1017AAF
> >
> > Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires - Argentina
> >
> > Phone/FAX: +54 (11) 57.11.52.63
> >
> > Mobile: +54 (911) 64.84.73.22
> >
>
>
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Not to mention Studio Help !!!
On 8/27/07, Stefan Seelmann <se...@apache.org> wrote:
> One more cool thing could be translated messages for Apache Directory
> Studio. Some messages are already externalized as resource bundles and
> are ready to be translated. But most of the messages are still hardwired
> in the code :-(. I'll create a Jira to externalize these messages.
> Afterwards we could start with translating the resource bundles.
>
> Thanks Sebastian, for volunteering :-)
>
> Regards,
> Stefan Seelmann
>
>
> Sebastian Stranieri schrieb:
> > Hey! Hi from Argentina,
> >
> > Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> > propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it's a
> > great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this
> > can help to software distribution.
> >
> > I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sebastián Stranieri, CISSP
> >
> > Door consulting
> >
> > _____http://www.doorconsulting.com.ar_ <http://www.shellcode.com.ar>
> >
> > Paraná 264, Piso 4to, Of.46 - C1017AAF
> >
> > Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires - Argentina
> >
> > Phone/FAX: +54 (11) 57.11.52.63
> >
> > Mobile: +54 (911) 64.84.73.22
> >
>
>
--
Regards,
Cordialement,
Emmanuel Lécharny
www.iktek.com
RE: What about languages?
Posted by Sebastian Stranieri <se...@doorconsulting.com.ar>.
Hey no problem to translate the bible to spanish :P and have confidence that
I have sufficient technical skills to identify errors, not developing erros
but yes technical errors. I think that we need to establish a clear process,
assign a repository with all of the EN doco, and a ES destination, Tell me
what you think about this, (and give me the !"#$!#4 english papers :P)
Sebas
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Seelmann [mailto:seelmann@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Apache Directory Developers List
Subject: Re: What about languages?
One more cool thing could be translated messages for Apache Directory
Studio. Some messages are already externalized as resource bundles and
are ready to be translated. But most of the messages are still hardwired
in the code :-(. I'll create a Jira to externalize these messages.
Afterwards we could start with translating the resource bundles.
Thanks Sebastian, for volunteering :-)
Regards,
Stefan Seelmann
Sebastian Stranieri schrieb:
> Hey! Hi from Argentina,
>
> Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that its a
> great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this
> can help to software distribution.
>
> I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sebastián Stranieri, CISSP
>
> Door consulting
>
> _____http://www.doorconsulting.com.ar_ <http://www.shellcode.com.ar>
>
> Paraná 264, Piso 4to, Of.46 - C1017AAF
>
> Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires - Argentina
>
> Phone/FAX: +54 (11) 57.11.52.63
>
> Mobile: +54 (911) 64.84.73.22
>
Re: What about languages?
Posted by Stefan Seelmann <se...@apache.org>.
One more cool thing could be translated messages for Apache Directory
Studio. Some messages are already externalized as resource bundles and
are ready to be translated. But most of the messages are still hardwired
in the code :-(. I'll create a Jira to externalize these messages.
Afterwards we could start with translating the resource bundles.
Thanks Sebastian, for volunteering :-)
Regards,
Stefan Seelmann
Sebastian Stranieri schrieb:
> Hey! Hi from Argentina,
>
> Im was thinking about give some help with this projects, So I want to
> propose me to do the English to Spanish Translations, I hope that it’s a
> great idea because 1/4 of the world write and talk in spanish, and this
> can help to software distribution.
>
> I am looking forward to hearing from the list soon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sebastián Stranieri, CISSP
>
> Door consulting
>
> _____http://www.doorconsulting.com.ar_ <http://www.shellcode.com.ar>
>
> Paraná 264, Piso 4to, Of.46 - C1017AAF
>
> Ciudad Autónoma de Buenos Aires - Argentina
>
> Phone/FAX: +54 (11) 57.11.52.63
>
> Mobile: +54 (911) 64.84.73.22
>