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Posted to dev@stratos.apache.org by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> on 2014/04/08 12:19:07 UTC
Incubator board report not circulated
Devs,
I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
anything on the list.
I just checked the wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
mentors that there is something to review.
Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
cannot find anything.
Thanks,
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Now, and once we graduate, I prefer it if reports are circulated to
> the whole community. If you don't do that, it's just one person's
> perspective.
>
+1. Will keep that in mind.
>
> At CouchDB, we even blog them, so the wider community can read about
> our progress.
>
This is something that we also should adopt. Thanks for these inputs Noah.
>
> On 8 April 2014 14:42, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Devs,
> >>
> >> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> >> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> >> anything on the list.
> >>
> >> I just checked the wiki:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >>
> >> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> >> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >
> >
> > I am the one who filled this board report as Lakmal indicated on the
> other
> > mail. I didn't know that we had to send a notification to this list and
> was
> > under the impression that all mentors listed under the podling generally
> > review that report wiki page on a regular basis. Sorry about that. I will
> > make it a point to send the notification mail from next time onwards.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> >> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> >> mentors that there is something to review.
> >>
> >> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> cannot find anything.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Afkham Azeez
> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> >
> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> >
> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
*Afkham Azeez*
Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
*Member; Apache Software Foundation;
**http://www.apache.org/*<http://www.apache.org/>
*email: **azeez@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>
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<http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>*
*Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Now, and once we graduate, I prefer it if reports are circulated to
the whole community. If you don't do that, it's just one person's
perspective.
At CouchDB, we even blog them, so the wider community can read about
our progress.
On 8 April 2014 14:42, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Devs,
>>
>> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
>> anything on the list.
>>
>> I just checked the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>>
>> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
>> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>
>
> I am the one who filled this board report as Lakmal indicated on the other
> mail. I didn't know that we had to send a notification to this list and was
> under the impression that all mentors listed under the podling generally
> review that report wiki page on a regular basis. Sorry about that. I will
> make it a point to send the notification mail from next time onwards.
>
>>
>>
>> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
>> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
>> mentors that there is something to review.
>>
>> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>> cannot find anything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
>
> --
> Afkham Azeez
> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>
> email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Devs,
>
> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> anything on the list.
>
> I just checked the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>
> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>
I am the one who filled this board report as Lakmal indicated on the other
mail. I didn't know that we had to send a notification to this list and was
under the impression that all mentors listed under the podling generally
review that report wiki page on a regular basis. Sorry about that. I will
make it a point to send the notification mail from next time onwards.
>
> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> mentors that there is something to review.
>
> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> cannot find anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
*Afkham Azeez*
Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
*Member; Apache Software Foundation;
**http://www.apache.org/*<http://www.apache.org/>
*email: **azeez@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>
* cell: +94 77 3320919 blog: **http://blog.afkham.org*<http://blog.afkham.org>
*twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez>
* linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
<http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>*
*Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
>
> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
> completely empty. Error?)
>
Added it as item #2
>
> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
> members."
>
Changed the wording. Please review.
>
> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
> addressed.
>
> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
>
> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
> should be reflected in the report.
>
> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
> >
> >
> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > Devs,
> >> >
> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> >> > anything on the list.
> >> >
> >> > I just checked the wiki:
> >> >
> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >> >
> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >> >
> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
> >> >
> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> > cannot find anything.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Noah Slater
> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Afkham Azeez
> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> >
> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> >
> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
*Afkham Azeez*
Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
*Member; Apache Software Foundation;
**http://www.apache.org/*<http://www.apache.org/>
*email: **azeez@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>
* cell: +94 77 3320919 blog: **http://blog.afkham.org*<http://blog.afkham.org>
*twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez>
* linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
<http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>*
*Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Thank you both for your replies. That is, indeed, very encouraging.
I have no doubt that WSO2 has a lot of experience in this area, and is
a model of how to operate within an Apache community.
It is still important to be circumspect and consider all the major
questions as we prepare for graduation (because not everyone in the
community has the same experience as we do). But I am happy that we've
done that now.
On 11 April 2014 10:32, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your comments Noah. You raise some very valid concerns, and you
> can rest assured that the PMC & WSO2 are genuinely interested & are working
> towards attracting more diversity.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> People are allowed to do whatever they please. And it's certainly not
>> wrong for WSO2 to hire people from the community. I don't disagree
>> with that at all. I'm making an altogether different point (which I
>> will clarify below).
>>
>> I must also make it very clear that I do not believe Stratos is having
>> issues operating in the open, nor have I ever implied that I think
>> this.
>>
>> My concern is that that Stratos PMC is still heavily skewed with WSO2
>> employees. This is a problem because what if WSO2 suddenly loses
>> interest in the project? Will all of those PMC members continue to
>> contribute the same amount?
>>
>> I'm not imputing anything about WSO2 here either. This is a *general
>> problem*, and one which the foundation hopes to address with *every*
>> podling and every TLP.
>>
>> We want to attract a broad base of diverse contributors so that we
>> insulate ourselves and our projects from the whims, caprice, and
>> changing life circumstances of our contributors, and the organisations
>> that pay them to work on our projects.
>>
>> Another project I am involved with at Apache lost its progenitor, and
>> one of the dominant companies employing people in the PMC "went
>> rogue". We survived, thankfully.
>
>
> I can assure you that WSO2 will not go rogue. Most of us senior folks at
> WSO2 have our roots in Apache & FOSS, and value the core values of the ASF
> as well as the Apache way. Even within WSO2, we follow the Apache way as
> much as possible. Even strategic design discussions & day to day development
> discussions happen on architecture@wso2.org & dev@wso2.org community mailing
> lists. We have private mailing lists only for sensitive customer related
> discussions, internal company related matters. This is one of the reasons
> that I still enjoy working for WSO2. We are genuinely interested in getting
> as much diversity as possible. In addition to this project being donated by
> WSO2, the committers from WSO2 have a personal attachment towards the
> project since they have seen the project grow up from its infancy. If you
> look at the Axis & Synapse projects where WSO2 employees are major
> contributors, you can see that many of the people who have left WSO2 for
> higher studies (grad school) as well as some who have joined other
> companies, are still active on those lists due to this personal attachment
> towards those projects.
>
>>
>> But it was a close call. And it
>> probably wouldn't've happened unless the project had been as diverse
>> as it was.
>>
>> So again: yes, I find it concerning that the makeup of the PMC isn't
>> more diverse. I hope that this will be a priority for us until we're
>> satisfied that we've diversified enough. Because again: doing so
>> ensures the health of the project!
>>
>> I'll be honest: I feel a little perturbed by the reaction I've got in
>> the last few weeks bringing this up. My attempts at productive
>> conversation about this appear to have been met with defensiveness,
>> which is not what I expect.
>>
>> The question I've brought up have been ignored or side-stepped, and my
>> position has been mischaracterised several times. So I don't know if
>> I'm doing a poor job of communicating or what here.
>>
>> And while I'm happy to go along with the other mentors, this makes me
>> feel like the graduation is being rushed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 April 2014 06:55, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wso2.com> wrote:
>> > Noah totally +1 for diversity.
>> >
>> > However, are people allowed to switch employment? Is it wrong for WSO2
>> > (for
>> > example) to hire someone else?
>> >
>> > *That's* the point of Roy's mail.
>> >
>> > Clearly your views are a bit different .. to me the MOST important thing
>> > is
>> > that we make decisions and execute in a purely open, Apache Way way. So
>> > far
>> > its very clear this poddling has done that and I believe all mentors but
>> > you
>> > believe that. I don't think you disagree but I didn't want to attempt to
>> > state your position.
>> >
>> > So, this group has done what it needs to do. The job NEVER finishes of
>> > course - every email, every discussion, every event will either further
>> > or
>> > damage the environment. That's what we need to be constantly vigilant
>> > about
>> > and get right. Some of your suggestions ref board reports are awesome.
>> > Thank
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Sanjiva.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the
>> >> others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation
>> >> hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed
>> >> organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird.
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for
>> >> graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the
>> >> PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time?
>> >> Are people working on it?
>> >>
>> >> In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :)
>> >>
>> >> On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important
>> >> > issue
>> >> > now
>> >> > could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that
>> >> > there
>> >> > is
>> >> > no diversity requirement, eg -
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >> >
>> >> > ...ant
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
>> >> >> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
>> >> >> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
>> >> >> completely empty. Error?)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
>> >> >> members."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
>> >> >> addressed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
>> >> >> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
>> >> >> should be reflected in the report.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something
>> >> >> >> like:
>> >> >> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
>> >> >> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards
>> >> >> > further
>> >> >> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Devs,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was
>> >> >> >> > being
>> >> >> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > see
>> >> >> >> > anything on the list.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I just checked the wiki:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any
>> >> >> >> > mention
>> >> >> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the
>> >> >> >> > community,
>> >> >> >> > so
>> >> >> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert
>> >> >> >> > your
>> >> >> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > cannot find anything.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> > Noah Slater
>> >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Noah Slater
>> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Afkham Azeez
>> >> >> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
>> >> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
>> >> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
>> >> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
>> >> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Noah Slater
>> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noah Slater
>> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
>> > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/
>> > email: sanjiva@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345)
>> > x5700;
>> > cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311
>> > blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva
>> >
>> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
>
> --
> Afkham Azeez
> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>
> email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for your comments Noah. You raise some very valid concerns, and you
can rest assured that the PMC & WSO2 are genuinely interested & are working
towards attracting more diversity.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> People are allowed to do whatever they please. And it's certainly not
> wrong for WSO2 to hire people from the community. I don't disagree
> with that at all. I'm making an altogether different point (which I
> will clarify below).
>
> I must also make it very clear that I do not believe Stratos is having
> issues operating in the open, nor have I ever implied that I think
> this.
>
> My concern is that that Stratos PMC is still heavily skewed with WSO2
> employees. This is a problem because what if WSO2 suddenly loses
> interest in the project? Will all of those PMC members continue to
> contribute the same amount?
>
> I'm not imputing anything about WSO2 here either. This is a *general
> problem*, and one which the foundation hopes to address with *every*
> podling and every TLP.
>
> We want to attract a broad base of diverse contributors so that we
> insulate ourselves and our projects from the whims, caprice, and
> changing life circumstances of our contributors, and the organisations
> that pay them to work on our projects.
>
> Another project I am involved with at Apache lost its progenitor, and
> one of the dominant companies employing people in the PMC "went
> rogue". We survived, thankfully.
I can assure you that WSO2 will not go rogue. Most of us senior folks at
WSO2 have our roots in Apache & FOSS, and value the core values of the ASF
as well as the Apache way. Even within WSO2, we follow the Apache way as
much as possible. Even strategic design discussions & day to day
development discussions happen on architecture@wso2.org &
dev@wso2.orgcommunity mailing lists. We have private mailing lists
only for sensitive
customer related discussions, internal company related matters. This is one
of the reasons that I still enjoy working for WSO2. We are genuinely
interested in getting as much diversity as possible. In addition to this
project being donated by WSO2, the committers from WSO2 have a personal
attachment towards the project since they have seen the project grow up
from its infancy. If you look at the Axis & Synapse projects where WSO2
employees are major contributors, you can see that many of the people who
have left WSO2 for higher studies (grad school) as well as some who have
joined other companies, are still active on those lists due to this
personal attachment towards those projects.
> But it was a close call. And it
> probably wouldn't've happened unless the project had been as diverse
> as it was.
>
> So again: yes, I find it concerning that the makeup of the PMC isn't
> more diverse. I hope that this will be a priority for us until we're
> satisfied that we've diversified enough. Because again: doing so
> ensures the health of the project!
>
> I'll be honest: I feel a little perturbed by the reaction I've got in
> the last few weeks bringing this up. My attempts at productive
> conversation about this appear to have been met with defensiveness,
> which is not what I expect.
>
> The question I've brought up have been ignored or side-stepped, and my
> position has been mischaracterised several times. So I don't know if
> I'm doing a poor job of communicating or what here.
>
> And while I'm happy to go along with the other mentors, this makes me
> feel like the graduation is being rushed.
>
>
>
> On 10 April 2014 06:55, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wso2.com> wrote:
> > Noah totally +1 for diversity.
> >
> > However, are people allowed to switch employment? Is it wrong for WSO2
> (for
> > example) to hire someone else?
> >
> > *That's* the point of Roy's mail.
> >
> > Clearly your views are a bit different .. to me the MOST important thing
> is
> > that we make decisions and execute in a purely open, Apache Way way. So
> far
> > its very clear this poddling has done that and I believe all mentors but
> you
> > believe that. I don't think you disagree but I didn't want to attempt to
> > state your position.
> >
> > So, this group has done what it needs to do. The job NEVER finishes of
> > course - every email, every discussion, every event will either further
> or
> > damage the environment. That's what we need to be constantly vigilant
> about
> > and get right. Some of your suggestions ref board reports are awesome.
> Thank
> > you.
> >
> > Sanjiva.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the
> >> others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation
> >> hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed
> >> organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird.
> >>
> >> I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for
> >> graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the
> >> PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time?
> >> Are people working on it?
> >>
> >> In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :)
> >>
> >> On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important
> issue
> >> > now
> >> > could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that
> there
> >> > is
> >> > no diversity requirement, eg -
> >> >
> >> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >
> >> > ...ant
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
> >> >> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
> >> >> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
> >> >> completely empty. Error?)
> >> >>
> >> >> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
> >> >> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
> >> >> members."
> >> >>
> >> >> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
> >> >> addressed.
> >> >>
> >> >> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
> >> >> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
> >> >>
> >> >> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
> >> >> should be reflected in the report.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something
> like:
> >> >> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> >> >> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
> >> >> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Devs,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was
> being
> >> >> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I
> >> >> >> > see
> >> >> >> > anything on the list.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I just checked the wiki:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any
> >> >> >> > mention
> >> >> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the
> community,
> >> >> >> > so
> >> >> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> >> >> > cannot find anything.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Noah Slater
> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Afkham Azeez
> >> >> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> >> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> >> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> >> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> >> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noah Slater
> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/
> > email: sanjiva@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345)
> x5700;
> > cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311
> > blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva
> >
> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
*Afkham Azeez*
Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
*Member; Apache Software Foundation;
**http://www.apache.org/*<http://www.apache.org/>
*email: **azeez@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>
* cell: +94 77 3320919 blog: **http://blog.afkham.org*<http://blog.afkham.org>
*twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez>
* linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
<http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>*
*Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wso2.com>.
Hi Noah,
Thanks for the clarification - I understand and appreciate the concern
you're raising.
I know this is not a reason to stop being concerned, but I can assure you
that WSO2 has no intention of stopping or slowing down our efforts on this
project in the foreseeable future. I can't project beyond that!
In any case, I apologize for appearing defensive .. that was not my intent
at all. I have no objection to having the clarified wording you wanted to
report to the board (for future reports at this point I guess).
We (WSO2) plan to very actively recruit others to join this project - even
more after graduation as people are a bit reluctant to commit to this stuff
otherwise. If you have suggestions on what to do I'm, and we're, all ears.
When you have a chance please do listen to Samisa's ApacheCon keynote talk
- that'll show you what we plan to do as a company for this stuff.
Cheers,
Sanjiva.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> People are allowed to do whatever they please. And it's certainly not
> wrong for WSO2 to hire people from the community. I don't disagree
> with that at all. I'm making an altogether different point (which I
> will clarify below).
>
> I must also make it very clear that I do not believe Stratos is having
> issues operating in the open, nor have I ever implied that I think
> this.
>
> My concern is that that Stratos PMC is still heavily skewed with WSO2
> employees. This is a problem because what if WSO2 suddenly loses
> interest in the project? Will all of those PMC members continue to
> contribute the same amount?
>
> I'm not imputing anything about WSO2 here either. This is a *general
> problem*, and one which the foundation hopes to address with *every*
> podling and every TLP.
>
> We want to attract a broad base of diverse contributors so that we
> insulate ourselves and our projects from the whims, caprice, and
> changing life circumstances of our contributors, and the organisations
> that pay them to work on our projects.
>
> Another project I am involved with at Apache lost its progenitor, and
> one of the dominant companies employing people in the PMC "went
> rogue". We survived, thankfully. But it was a close call. And it
> probably wouldn't've happened unless the project had been as diverse
> as it was.
>
> So again: yes, I find it concerning that the makeup of the PMC isn't
> more diverse. I hope that this will be a priority for us until we're
> satisfied that we've diversified enough. Because again: doing so
> ensures the health of the project!
>
> I'll be honest: I feel a little perturbed by the reaction I've got in
> the last few weeks bringing this up. My attempts at productive
> conversation about this appear to have been met with defensiveness,
> which is not what I expect.
>
> The question I've brought up have been ignored or side-stepped, and my
> position has been mischaracterised several times. So I don't know if
> I'm doing a poor job of communicating or what here.
>
> And while I'm happy to go along with the other mentors, this makes me
> feel like the graduation is being rushed.
>
>
>
> On 10 April 2014 06:55, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wso2.com> wrote:
> > Noah totally +1 for diversity.
> >
> > However, are people allowed to switch employment? Is it wrong for WSO2
> (for
> > example) to hire someone else?
> >
> > *That's* the point of Roy's mail.
> >
> > Clearly your views are a bit different .. to me the MOST important thing
> is
> > that we make decisions and execute in a purely open, Apache Way way. So
> far
> > its very clear this poddling has done that and I believe all mentors but
> you
> > believe that. I don't think you disagree but I didn't want to attempt to
> > state your position.
> >
> > So, this group has done what it needs to do. The job NEVER finishes of
> > course - every email, every discussion, every event will either further
> or
> > damage the environment. That's what we need to be constantly vigilant
> about
> > and get right. Some of your suggestions ref board reports are awesome.
> Thank
> > you.
> >
> > Sanjiva.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the
> >> others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation
> >> hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed
> >> organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird.
> >>
> >> I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for
> >> graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the
> >> PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time?
> >> Are people working on it?
> >>
> >> In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :)
> >>
> >> On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important
> issue
> >> > now
> >> > could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that
> there
> >> > is
> >> > no diversity requirement, eg -
> >> >
> >> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >> >
> >> > ...ant
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
> >> >> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
> >> >> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
> >> >> completely empty. Error?)
> >> >>
> >> >> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
> >> >> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
> >> >> members."
> >> >>
> >> >> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
> >> >> addressed.
> >> >>
> >> >> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
> >> >> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
> >> >>
> >> >> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
> >> >> should be reflected in the report.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something
> like:
> >> >> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> >> >> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
> >> >> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Devs,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was
> being
> >> >> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I
> >> >> >> > see
> >> >> >> > anything on the list.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I just checked the wiki:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any
> >> >> >> > mention
> >> >> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the
> community,
> >> >> >> > so
> >> >> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> >> >> > cannot find anything.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Noah Slater
> >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Noah Slater
> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Afkham Azeez
> >> >> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> >> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> >> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> >> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> >> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noah Slater
> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/
> > email: sanjiva@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345)
> x5700;
> > cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311
> > blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva
> >
> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/
email: sanjiva@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345)
x5700; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311
blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva
Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
People are allowed to do whatever they please. And it's certainly not
wrong for WSO2 to hire people from the community. I don't disagree
with that at all. I'm making an altogether different point (which I
will clarify below).
I must also make it very clear that I do not believe Stratos is having
issues operating in the open, nor have I ever implied that I think
this.
My concern is that that Stratos PMC is still heavily skewed with WSO2
employees. This is a problem because what if WSO2 suddenly loses
interest in the project? Will all of those PMC members continue to
contribute the same amount?
I'm not imputing anything about WSO2 here either. This is a *general
problem*, and one which the foundation hopes to address with *every*
podling and every TLP.
We want to attract a broad base of diverse contributors so that we
insulate ourselves and our projects from the whims, caprice, and
changing life circumstances of our contributors, and the organisations
that pay them to work on our projects.
Another project I am involved with at Apache lost its progenitor, and
one of the dominant companies employing people in the PMC "went
rogue". We survived, thankfully. But it was a close call. And it
probably wouldn't've happened unless the project had been as diverse
as it was.
So again: yes, I find it concerning that the makeup of the PMC isn't
more diverse. I hope that this will be a priority for us until we're
satisfied that we've diversified enough. Because again: doing so
ensures the health of the project!
I'll be honest: I feel a little perturbed by the reaction I've got in
the last few weeks bringing this up. My attempts at productive
conversation about this appear to have been met with defensiveness,
which is not what I expect.
The question I've brought up have been ignored or side-stepped, and my
position has been mischaracterised several times. So I don't know if
I'm doing a poor job of communicating or what here.
And while I'm happy to go along with the other mentors, this makes me
feel like the graduation is being rushed.
On 10 April 2014 06:55, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wso2.com> wrote:
> Noah totally +1 for diversity.
>
> However, are people allowed to switch employment? Is it wrong for WSO2 (for
> example) to hire someone else?
>
> *That's* the point of Roy's mail.
>
> Clearly your views are a bit different .. to me the MOST important thing is
> that we make decisions and execute in a purely open, Apache Way way. So far
> its very clear this poddling has done that and I believe all mentors but you
> believe that. I don't think you disagree but I didn't want to attempt to
> state your position.
>
> So, this group has done what it needs to do. The job NEVER finishes of
> course - every email, every discussion, every event will either further or
> damage the environment. That's what we need to be constantly vigilant about
> and get right. Some of your suggestions ref board reports are awesome. Thank
> you.
>
> Sanjiva.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks.
>>
>> Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the
>> others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation
>> hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed
>> organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird.
>>
>> I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for
>> graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the
>> PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time?
>> Are people working on it?
>>
>> In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :)
>>
>> On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important issue
>> > now
>> > could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that there
>> > is
>> > no diversity requirement, eg -
>> >
>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >
>> > ...ant
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
>> >> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
>> >>
>> >> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
>> >> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
>> >> completely empty. Error?)
>> >>
>> >> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
>> >> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
>> >> members."
>> >>
>> >> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
>> >> addressed.
>> >>
>> >> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
>> >> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
>> >>
>> >> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
>> >> should be reflected in the report.
>> >>
>> >> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
>> >> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
>> >> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
>> >> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > Devs,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>> >> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I
>> >> >> > see
>> >> >> > anything on the list.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I just checked the wiki:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any
>> >> >> > mention
>> >> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community,
>> >> >> > so
>> >> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>> >> >> > cannot find anything.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Noah Slater
>> >> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Noah Slater
>> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Afkham Azeez
>> >> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
>> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>> >> >
>> >> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
>> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
>> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>> >> >
>> >> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noah Slater
>> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/
> email: sanjiva@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345) x5700;
> cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311
> blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wso2.com>.
Noah totally +1 for diversity.
However, are people allowed to switch employment? Is it wrong for WSO2 (for
example) to hire someone else?
*That's* the point of Roy's mail.
Clearly your views are a bit different .. to me the MOST important thing is
that we make decisions and execute in a purely open, Apache Way way. So far
its very clear this poddling has done that and I believe all mentors but
you believe that. I don't think you disagree but I didn't want to attempt
to state your position.
So, this group has done what it needs to do. The job NEVER finishes of
course - every email, every discussion, every event will either further or
damage the environment. That's what we need to be constantly vigilant about
and get right. Some of your suggestions ref board reports are awesome.
Thank you.
Sanjiva.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks.
>
> Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the
> others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation
> hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed
> organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird.
>
> I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for
> graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the
> PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time?
> Are people working on it?
>
> In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :)
>
> On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important issue
> now
> > could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that there
> is
> > no diversity requirement, eg -
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > ...ant
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
> >> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
> >>
> >> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
> >> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
> >> completely empty. Error?)
> >>
> >> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
> >> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
> >> members."
> >>
> >> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
> >> addressed.
> >>
> >> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
> >> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
> >>
> >> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
> >> should be reflected in the report.
> >>
> >> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
> >> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> >> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
> >> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> > Devs,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> >> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I
> see
> >> >> > anything on the list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I just checked the wiki:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any
> mention
> >> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community,
> so
> >> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert
> your
> >> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> >> > cannot find anything.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Noah Slater
> >> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Noah Slater
> >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Afkham Azeez
> >> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> >> >
> >> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> >> >
> >> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
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Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/
email: sanjiva@wso2.com; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345)
x5700; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311
blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva
Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks.
Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the
others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation
hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed
organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird.
I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for
graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the
PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time?
Are people working on it?
In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :)
On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important issue now
> could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that there is
> no diversity requirement, eg -
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> ...ant
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
>> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
>>
>> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
>> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
>> completely empty. Error?)
>>
>> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
>> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
>> members."
>>
>> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
>> addressed.
>>
>> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
>> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
>>
>> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
>> should be reflected in the report.
>>
>> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
>> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
>> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>> >
>> >
>> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
>> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > Devs,
>> >> >
>> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
>> >> > anything on the list.
>> >> >
>> >> > I just checked the wiki:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>> >> >
>> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
>> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>> >> >
>> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
>> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
>> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
>> >> >
>> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>> >> > cannot find anything.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Noah Slater
>> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noah Slater
>> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Afkham Azeez
>> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
>> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>> >
>> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
>> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
>> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>> >
>> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important issue
now could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that
there is no diversity requirement, eg -
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
...ant
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
>
> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
> completely empty. Error?)
>
> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
> members."
>
> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been
> addressed.
>
> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
>
> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
> should be reflected in the report.
>
> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
> >
> >
> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > Devs,
> >> >
> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> >> > anything on the list.
> >> >
> >> > I just checked the wiki:
> >> >
> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >> >
> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >> >
> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> >> > mentors that there is something to review.
> >> >
> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> > cannot find anything.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Noah Slater
> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Afkham Azeez
> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
> >
> > email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> >
> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was
flagged in November, and it was flagged last month.
It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in
January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is
completely empty. Error?)
"Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has
been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC
members."
This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been addressed.
There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that
other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues.
But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP,
should be reflected in the report.
On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
>> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
>> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>
>
> I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
> diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
>>
>>
>> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Devs,
>> >
>> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
>> > anything on the list.
>> >
>> > I just checked the wiki:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>> >
>> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
>> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>> >
>> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
>> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
>> > mentors that there is something to review.
>> >
>> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>> > cannot find anything.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --
>> > Noah Slater
>> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
>
> --
> Afkham Azeez
> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>
> email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>
I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further
diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors"
>
> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Devs,
> >
> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> > anything on the list.
> >
> > I just checked the wiki:
> >
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >
> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >
> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> > mentors that there is something to review.
> >
> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> > cannot find anything.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
--
*Afkham Azeez*
Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
*Member; Apache Software Foundation;
**http://www.apache.org/*<http://www.apache.org/>
*email: **azeez@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>
* cell: +94 77 3320919 blog: **http://blog.afkham.org*<http://blog.afkham.org>
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* linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
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*Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Charter implies something different to me. Resolution is more accurate.
On 8 April 2014 14:05, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> One more thing.
>>>
>>> "A charter has been prepared."
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I was talking about the "Initial draft of Resolution" towards
>> graduation that was drafted by Paul Fremantle.
>
>
> Should I change the wording, or will there be concerns if it is changed now?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where is this?
>>>
>>> On 8 April 2014 12:23, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
>>> > the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
>>> > actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>>> >
>>> > On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> Devs,
>>> >>
>>> >> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>>> >> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
>>> >> anything on the list.
>>> >>
>>> >> I just checked the wiki:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>>> >>
>>> >> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
>>> >> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>>> >>
>>> >> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
>>> >> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
>>> >> mentors that there is something to review.
>>> >>
>>> >> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>>> >> cannot find anything.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Noah Slater
>>> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Noah Slater
>>> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Noah Slater
>>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Afkham Azeez
>> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>>
>> email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
>> blog: http://blog.afkham.org
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
>> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>>
>> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Afkham Azeez
> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
>
> email: azeez@wso2.com cell: +94 77 3320919
> blog: http://blog.afkham.org
> twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez
> linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
>
> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
>
--
Noah Slater
https://twitter.com/nslater
Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> One more thing.
>>
>> "A charter has been prepared."
>>
>
> Sorry, I was talking about the "Initial draft of Resolution" towards
> graduation that was drafted by Paul Fremantle.
>
Should I change the wording, or will there be concerns if it is changed
now?
>
>
>>
>> Where is this?
>>
>> On 8 April 2014 12:23, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
>> > the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
>> > actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>> >
>> > On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Devs,
>> >>
>> >> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>> >> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
>> >> anything on the list.
>> >>
>> >> I just checked the wiki:
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>> >>
>> >> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
>> >> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>> >>
>> >> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
>> >> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
>> >> mentors that there is something to review.
>> >>
>> >> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>> >> cannot find anything.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Noah Slater
>> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Noah Slater
>> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Afkham Azeez*
> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com,
> *Member; Apache Software Foundation; **http://www.apache.org/*<http://www.apache.org/>
>
> *email: **azeez@wso2.com* <az...@wso2.com>
> * cell: +94 77 3320919 <%2B94%2077%203320919> blog: *
> *http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org>
> *twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez>
> * linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez
> <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>*
>
> *Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
>
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Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Afkham Azeez <af...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> One more thing.
>
> "A charter has been prepared."
>
Sorry, I was talking about the "Initial draft of Resolution" towards
graduation that was drafted by Paul Fremantle.
>
> Where is this?
>
> On 8 April 2014 12:23, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
> > the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> > actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
> >
> > On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Devs,
> >>
> >> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> >> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> >> anything on the list.
> >>
> >> I just checked the wiki:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
> >>
> >> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> >> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
> >>
> >> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> >> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> >> mentors that there is something to review.
> >>
> >> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> >> cannot find anything.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Noah Slater
> >> https://twitter.com/nslater
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Noah Slater
> > https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
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Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
One more thing.
"A charter has been prepared."
Where is this?
On 8 April 2014 12:23, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
>
> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Devs,
>>
>> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
>> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
>> anything on the list.
>>
>> I just checked the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>>
>> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
>> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>>
>> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
>> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
>> mentors that there is something to review.
>>
>> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
>> cannot find anything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Noah Slater
>> https://twitter.com/nslater
>
>
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
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Re: Incubator board report not circulated
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like:
the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is
actively working to attract new and diverse contributors.
On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Devs,
>
> I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being
> prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I see
> anything on the list.
>
> I just checked the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014
>
> We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any mention
> of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done?
>
> In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, so
> that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert your
> mentors that there is something to review.
>
> Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and
> cannot find anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Noah Slater
> https://twitter.com/nslater
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