Re: Problems with podlings pages

[sebb <se...@gmail.com>]

On 29 February 2016 at 22:27, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> Feel free to add a link on the main whimsy page, re-order columns,
> capitalize headings, etc.

OK

> I also forgot to mention that it is my intent to make the roster tool
> fully read/write over time... people with the appropriate permissions
> should be able to make updates from these pages.  The ability to edit
> the SpamAssassin score, and to add/remove committers are just an
> examples of what possibilities are there.
>
> So there may be other read-only views out there.  The phone book is an
> example.  I'm personally skeptical of it's functionality to do
> cross-checks.  Not that it duplicates functionality that has been

Not? Did you mean Note?

> present for a long time in the roster tool (that's fine with me, after
> all, it has a different target audience).  But that it tells the wrong
> audience (the general public) this information, and does not provide
> the means to correct it.

AFAIK, the phone book was aimed at committers, not the general public,
though it is public.
It is now usable as a replacement for most of people.a.o.

Whimsy is not as easy to use as it requires auth for most of the
information that has traditionally been publicly available from
people.a.o.

> - Sam Ruby
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:13 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29 February 2016 at 21:56, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:40 PM, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29 February 2016 at 21:37, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Main page lists a link for:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/podlings/by-age
>>>>>
>>>>> This lists 50 PPMCs
>>>>>
>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster lists
>>>
>>> How did you get to this page?
>>
>> I typed it in, because it's not linked from the main page.
>> Perhaps it should be added above the list of its sub-pages?
>>
>>> It should have a trailing slash.  Do we
>>> need to add the following to
>>> infrastructure-puppet/data/nodes/whimsy-vm2.apache.org.yaml
>>>
>>>         RedirectMatch ^/roster$ /roster/
>>
>> Probably not.
>>
>>>>> 51    Podlings    Active podlings at the ASF =>
>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/podlings => 404
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure where the link is supposed to go
>>>>
>>>> Found it at
>>>>
>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/podlings
>>>>
>>>> However this repeats the information in, and indeed links to,
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/#current
>>>
>>> Apparently not.  One has 50 and one has 51.  :-)
>>>
>>>> Not sure why there is a need for this duplication.
>>>> Why not just link to the incubator site?
>>>
>>> I do link to the incubator site when you click on an individual podling.
>>>
>>> The index pages has counts, and can sort in various ways by clicking
>>> on the headings.
>>
>> Did not realise that; it's not immediately obvious.
>> I think the Status column should be between the Name and Description
>> (and IMO they would be more obvious if they were capitalised).
>>
>>> I'm not sure what cross-checks may be useful, but an
>>> example where cross-checks find authorizations associated with retired
>>> podlings can be found on the groups page.
>>
>> Current podlings may have a non-LDAP group (for SVN auth); this should
>> disappear when the podling graduates (it's replaced by an LDAP
>> committee group) or retires (it should be removed).
>>
>>>>> or why the pages disagree on
>>>>> the number of podlings
>>>
>>> Nope.  I would have thought that the two pages were derived from the
>>> same data source.
>>
>> They should both be derived from podlings.xml, but maybe they
>> interpret it differently.
>> Or maybe they are using different copies - there's the original SVN,
>> then maybe a staging copy and the deployed copy.
>> If a change has not been fully pushed there could be discrepancies.
>>
>>> - Sam Ruby