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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Pietro Moras <st...@hotmail.com> on 2011/10/29 00:52:31 UTC
RE: First Hands-on Subversion—Where/How?
>
more specific questions
My pleasure, dear
Geoff, Here you have some
very Specific Questions.
SQ1] How to get what I
presume is a nice Subversion prompt:
$
on one of my
standard Windows machines, so to test the wonderful Subversion
commands so eloquently described by the mentioned self-declared
Official Guide and Reference Manual, so practically useless at the
very beginning of a learning process; that is, exactly when you need
most practical and effective information and support?
SQ2] Why should I go
scrabbling and begging via Google for practical, operative info, I'd
reasonably expected to find right away at page 1 on the mentioned
book, or at the page 1 on the Subversion web site?
SQ3] Am I the first
Subversion potential user starting from scratch?
Everybody else
knowing how to set-up a Subversion environment even before beginning
to use it?
Of course thank you for
pointing me to the right direction. Of course.
All the best. Yours, - P.M.
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:20:54 -0700
Subject: Re: First Hands-on Subversion—Where/How?
From: ghoffman@cardinalpath.com
To: studio-pm@hotmail.com
CC: users@subversion.apache.org
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pietro Moras <st...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Subversion
cognoscenti,
Seriously
intentioned to explore what Subversion is all about, armed with good
will and a good reference book (“Version Control with Subversion”,
by Ben Collins-Sussman, Brian W. Fitzpatrick, C.
Michael Pilato),
I got immediately lost & stuck at the very first command:
$
svn help
?] That said, where/how on earth
could I get such Subversion grass-roots commands working? Is there any
practical way, any practical tool, any practical good soul/good
organisation where to find a test client-server setup where to
(seriously) “play” with Subversion VCS? I'd be happy to begin
even with a tiny a client-server set-up onto a machine of mine, would
such a tool available; even no idea whether such a naïve idea of
mine is feasible or not.
Gratefully yours,
-
P.M.
____________
Ref.:
dr. Pietro Moras
Email
Studio-PM@hotmail.com
Greetings Pietro,
Start here http://svnbook.red-bean.com/
Then I would recommend a Google search like install subversion {platform_or_distro_you_use} -- for example here's a good quick overview at Ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Subversion
Remember, `Subversion` is both a client software and a server software, so it doesn't do you much good to learn `svn ___` (client) unless you have already used svnadmin to create a repository... (server). You can do this all locally, or on a VM (I would recommend go this route, eg virtualbox, if you're on Windows).
Post back here with more specific questions as you go.
Re: First Hands-on Subversion—Where/How?
Posted by Alexey Neyman <st...@att.net>.
Dear Pietro,
I think you should start your learning Subversion from learning what a
"command line" is. Subversion manual is no substitute for knowing the OS.
Or alternatively, have someone install a repostory for you and go with a GUI
client, such as TortoiseSVN.
Regards,
Alexey.
On Friday, October 28, 2011 03:52:31 pm Pietro Moras wrote:
> more specific questions
>
>
>
> My pleasure, dear
> Geoff, Here you have some
> very Specific Questions.
>
> SQ1] How to get what I
> presume is a nice Subversion prompt:
>
> $
> on one of my
> standard Windows machines, so to test the wonderful Subversion
> commands so eloquently described by the mentioned self-declared
> Official Guide and Reference Manual, so practically useless at the
> very beginning of a learning process; that is, exactly when you need
> most practical and effective information and support?
>
>
> SQ2] Why should I go
> scrabbling and begging via Google for practical, operative info, I'd
> reasonably expected to find right away at page 1 on the mentioned
> book, or at the page 1 on the Subversion web site?
>
>
> SQ3] Am I the first
> Subversion potential user starting from scratch?
> Everybody else
> knowing how to set-up a Subversion environment even before beginning
> to use it?
>
> Of course thank you for
> pointing me to the right direction. Of course.
>
> All the best. Yours, - P.M.
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:20:54 -0700
> Subject: Re: First Hands-on Subversion—Where/How?
> From: ghoffman@cardinalpath.com
> To: studio-pm@hotmail.com
> CC: users@subversion.apache.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pietro Moras <st...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Subversion
> cognoscenti,
>
> Seriously
> intentioned to explore what Subversion is all about, armed with good
> will and a good reference book (“Version Control with Subversion”,
> by Ben Collins-Sussman, Brian W. Fitzpatrick, C.
> Michael Pilato),
> I got immediately lost & stuck at the very first command:
>
> $
> svn help
>
>
>
> ?] That said, where/how on earth
> could I get such Subversion grass-roots commands working? Is there any
> practical way, any practical tool, any practical good soul/good
> organisation where to find a test client-server setup where to
> (seriously) “play” with Subversion VCS? I'd be happy to begin
> even with a tiny a client-server set-up onto a machine of mine, would
> such a tool available; even no idea whether such a naïve idea of
> mine is feasible or not.
>
> Gratefully yours,
>
> -
> P.M.
> ____________
>
> Ref.:
> dr. Pietro Moras
> Email
> Studio-PM@hotmail.com
>
>
>
> Greetings Pietro,
> Start here http://svnbook.red-bean.com/
> Then I would recommend a Google search like install subversion
> {platform_or_distro_you_use} -- for example here's a good quick overview
> at Ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Subversion
>
> Remember, `Subversion` is both a client software and a server software, so
> it doesn't do you much good to learn `svn ___` (client) unless you have
> already used svnadmin to create a repository... (server). You can do this
> all locally, or on a VM (I would recommend go this route, eg virtualbox,
> if you're on Windows).
>
> Post back here with more specific questions as you go.
Re: First Hands-on Subversion—Where/How?
Posted by Dave Huang <kh...@azeotrope.org>.
On Oct 28, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Pietro Moras wrote:
> > more specific questions
>
> My pleasure, dear Geoff,
> Here you have some very Specific Questions.
>
> SQ1] How to get what I presume is a nice Subversion prompt:
>
> $
>
> on one of my standard Windows machines, so to test the wonderful Subversion commands so eloquently described by the mentioned self-declared Official Guide and Reference Manual, so practically useless at the very beginning of a learning process; that is, exactly when you need most practical and effective information and support?
I think the idea of the book is that it's a guide on how to *use* Subversion, not a guide on how to *get* it. As a parallel, books on how to use MS Word don't tell you on page 1 that the first step is to visit your favorite software retailer and purchase a copy of Word--they assume that you already have Word installed.
> SQ2] Why should I go scrabbling and begging via Google for practical, operative info, I'd reasonably expected to find right away at page 1 on the mentioned book, or at the page 1 on the Subversion web site?
It is one the figurative page 1 of the Subversion web site. The navigation menu on the left side of http://subversion.apache.org/ has a "Getting Subversion" section. Click the Binary Packages link, then the Windows link, then choose any of the packages that are listed.
>
> SQ3] Am I the first Subversion potential user starting from scratch?
> Everybody else knowing how to set-up a Subversion environment even before beginning to use it?
The documentation has instructions on how to set up a Subversion environment.
Re: First Hands-on Subversion—Where/How?
Posted by Geoff Hoffman <gh...@cardinalpath.com>.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Pietro Moras <st...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > more specific questions
>
> My pleasure, dear Geoff,
> Here you have some very Specific Questions.
>
> SQ1] How to get what I presume is a nice Subversion prompt:
>
> $
>
>
There is no prompt, other than terminal. Read the redbook please... or
#> svn --help
CollabNet ( http://www.collab.net/downloads/subversion/ ) makes the most
well known Windows ports of the software, with regular Windows installers
for the software. Look for Subversion Edge: A certified software stack
containing the latest versions of Subversion, Apache, and ViewVC:
That's the fastest way to get started on Windows, IMO. Used to be free,
don't know if it is anymore.
OR -- The other thing you might want to do is sign up for a free trial at
SpringLoops.com or Beanstalkapp.com -- there you can have the "Subversion
Server" part all figured out for you, so you can play with the client only.
Configuring the server is somewhat non-trivial for a beginner especially.
on one of my standard Windows machines, so to test the wonderful Subversion
> commands so eloquently described by the mentioned self-declared Official
> Guide and Reference Manual, so practically useless at the very beginning of
> a learning process; that is, exactly when you need most practical and
> effective information and support?
>
> SQ2] Why should I go scrabbling and begging via Google for practical,
> operative info, I'd reasonably expected to find right away at page 1 on the
> mentioned book, or at the page 1 on the Subversion web site?
>
>
Because lots of people have posted lots of info and tutorials on the topic.
> SQ3] Am I the first Subversion potential user starting from scratch?
> Everybody else knowing how to set-up a Subversion environment even
> before beginning to use it?
>
Nope, they all went to Google and the Redbean book.
> Of course thank you for pointing me to the right direction. Of course.
> All the best. Yours,
> - P.M.
>
>
You're welcome -