Re: [DISCUSS] Move ServiceMix Kernel into Felix as a subproject

["Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>]

On 3/31/09 7:29 AM, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
> +1 for the name, and +1 for bringing together the felix and SMX 
> kernels communities.
>
> One question though: will Karaf be intimately tied to the Felix OSGi 
> implementation? I think that Karaf would be stronger if we can show 
> that it works over any OSGi compliant core. Thoughts, anyone?

Are there any Felix subprojects dependent upon the Felix framework 
implementation (besides Main, which is the framework launcher) ?

-> richard
>
> /Ade
>
> On 31 Mar 2009, at 12:42, James Strachan wrote:
>
>> 2009/3/30 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 19:49, Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I agree, this sounds like a win-win for all involved (as per James /
>>>> Guillaume's post).
>>>>
>>>> As a name submission I'd like Carafe (pronounced "karaf"). A carafe is
>>>> a small container used for serving wine and other drinks
>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carafe). In similarity to the name the
>>>> Kernel allows applications to be more easily handled, and improves
>>>> their characteristics (much like a bottle of wine left to breath in a
>>>> decanter) :)
>>>
>>> What about Karaf to lower the google hit counts and still preserve the
>>> nice semantic ...
>>>  ... and eventually fill the "K" hole of the Apache TLP names list (in
>>> case it ever becomes a TLP later).
>>
>> And K == Kernel etc :)
>>
>> +1 am liking it.
>>
>> Easy to remember, spell and google search. Unless anyone can think of
>> a better idea. (My ideas were all terrible :)
>>
>> -- 
>> James
>> -------
>> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Open Source Integration
>> http://fusesource.com/
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Re: [DISCUSS] Move ServiceMix Kernel into Felix as a subproject

["Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>]

On 4/1/09 2:03 AM, Stuart McCulloch wrote:
> 2009/4/1 Richard S. Hall<he...@ungoverned.org>
>
>    
>> On 3/31/09 7:29 AM, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> +1 for the name, and +1 for bringing together the felix and SMX kernels
>>> communities.
>>>
>>> One question though: will Karaf be intimately tied to the Felix OSGi
>>> implementation? I think that Karaf would be stronger if we can show that it
>>> works over any OSGi compliant core. Thoughts, anyone?
>>>
>>>        
>> Are there any Felix subprojects dependent upon the Felix framework
>> implementation (besides Main, which is the framework launcher) ?
>>
>>      
>
> not AFAIK, but this comes back to people's subconscious view that bundles
> hosted at a
> particular framework site are somehow tied to that framework - which is
> hardly ever true.
>
> I guess we need to do more to advertise our bundles can be used on any
> framework...
> such as the idea of having a table showing where they had been successfully
> tested?
>
>    

Yes, this has been discussed before and we actually have an issue for it:

     http://felix.apache.org/site/contributing.html

I think this is also related to the other issue I re-posted about 
re-arranging the web site around subprojects.

More and more evidence that this is the right direction to take.

-> richard

>    
>> ->  richard
>>
>>
>>      
>>> /Ade
>>>
>>> On 31 Mar 2009, at 12:42, James Strachan wrote:
>>>
>>>   2009/3/30 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>        
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 19:49, Jamie G.<ja...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> I agree, this sounds like a win-win for all involved (as per James /
>>>>>> Guillaume's post).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a name submission I'd like Carafe (pronounced "karaf"). A carafe is
>>>>>> a small container used for serving wine and other drinks
>>>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carafe). In similarity to the name the
>>>>>> Kernel allows applications to be more easily handled, and improves
>>>>>> their characteristics (much like a bottle of wine left to breath in a
>>>>>> decanter) :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>> What about Karaf to lower the google hit counts and still preserve the
>>>>> nice semantic ...
>>>>>   ... and eventually fill the "K" hole of the Apache TLP names list (in
>>>>> case it ever becomes a TLP later).
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> And K == Kernel etc :)
>>>>
>>>> +1 am liking it.
>>>>
>>>> Easy to remember, spell and google search. Unless anyone can think of
>>>> a better idea. (My ideas were all terrible :)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James
>>>> -------
>>>> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Open Source Integration
>>>> http://fusesource.com/
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> ---
>>> Adrian Trenaman, Consultant Fellow, PS - Opensource Center of Competence
>>> Progress Software Corp
>>> Shelbourne Road, Dublin 4, Ireland
>>> ---
>>> +353-1-637-2659 (Office)
>>> +353-1-637-2882 (Fax)
>>> +353-86-6051026 (Mobile)
>>>   adrian.trenaman (Skype)
>>> ----
>>> Blog: http://trenaman.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>
>
>    

Re: [DISCUSS] Move ServiceMix Kernel into Felix as a subproject

[Stuart McCulloch <mc...@gmail.com>]

2009/4/1 Richard S. Hall <he...@ungoverned.org>

> On 3/31/09 7:29 AM, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
>
>> +1 for the name, and +1 for bringing together the felix and SMX kernels
>> communities.
>>
>> One question though: will Karaf be intimately tied to the Felix OSGi
>> implementation? I think that Karaf would be stronger if we can show that it
>> works over any OSGi compliant core. Thoughts, anyone?
>>
>
> Are there any Felix subprojects dependent upon the Felix framework
> implementation (besides Main, which is the framework launcher) ?
>

not AFAIK, but this comes back to people's subconscious view that bundles
hosted at a
particular framework site are somehow tied to that framework - which is
hardly ever true.

I guess we need to do more to advertise our bundles can be used on any
framework...
such as the idea of having a table showing where they had been successfully
tested?


> -> richard
>
>
>> /Ade
>>
>> On 31 Mar 2009, at 12:42, James Strachan wrote:
>>
>>  2009/3/30 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 19:49, Jamie G. <ja...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree, this sounds like a win-win for all involved (as per James /
>>>>> Guillaume's post).
>>>>>
>>>>> As a name submission I'd like Carafe (pronounced "karaf"). A carafe is
>>>>> a small container used for serving wine and other drinks
>>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carafe). In similarity to the name the
>>>>> Kernel allows applications to be more easily handled, and improves
>>>>> their characteristics (much like a bottle of wine left to breath in a
>>>>> decanter) :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about Karaf to lower the google hit counts and still preserve the
>>>> nice semantic ...
>>>>  ... and eventually fill the "K" hole of the Apache TLP names list (in
>>>> case it ever becomes a TLP later).
>>>>
>>>
>>> And K == Kernel etc :)
>>>
>>> +1 am liking it.
>>>
>>> Easy to remember, spell and google search. Unless anyone can think of
>>> a better idea. (My ideas were all terrible :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> James
>>> -------
>>> http://macstrac.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Open Source Integration
>>> http://fusesource.com/
>>>
>>
>> ---
>> Adrian Trenaman, Consultant Fellow, PS - Opensource Center of Competence
>> Progress Software Corp
>> Shelbourne Road, Dublin 4, Ireland
>> ---
>> +353-1-637-2659 (Office)
>> +353-1-637-2882 (Fax)
>> +353-86-6051026 (Mobile)
>>  adrian.trenaman (Skype)
>> ----
>> Blog: http://trenaman.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
Cheers, Stuart