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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> on 2018/11/14 09:45:42 UTC
Amazon Corretto
Hi all,
Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
- Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
- No-cost long-term support.
- At least quarterly releases.
- Drop-in replacement.
- Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and probably
the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon Corretto.
Gj
Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
GraalVM EE is "Free for evaluation and other non-production uses".
--emi
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:43 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> An interesting point: in addition to bundling the newest version of
> VisualVM as part of GraalVM, OracleLabs also provides a branded version of
> NetBeans called IGV, which is customized for the needs of GraalVM language
> developers and power users. IGV is as part of the GraalVM EE download.
>
> Take a look at graalvm.org, especially graalvm.org/downloads.
>
> The IGV workflow is more analysis oriented, than development oriented, but
> the editing features are there. IGV benefits from NetBeans support of Java
> and dynamic languages. NetBeans benefits from OracleLabs interest in
> bringing the dynamic language compilation and tooling to unprecedented
> levels.
>
> In short: GraalVM EE already bundles Apache NetBeans tailored for the needs
> of OracleLabs.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > It's a tough situation -- and ideally Apache NetBeans would be bundled
> > with one or more of the OpenJDK distributions, though maybe that's not
> > something for us to decide, but it should be a need that one or more
> > OpenJDK distributions should feel -- the need to provide free and open
> > source tools together with free and open source JDK distributions.
> >
> > In any case, when any of them come knocking, there should not be a problem
> > for us to be available, i.e., so long as their distribution of Apache
> > NetBeans is not named Apache NetBeans, i.e., AdoptNetBeans, a distribution
> > of Apache NetBeans bundled with AdoptOpenJDK, CorrettoNetBeans, a
> > distribution of Apache NetBeans bundled with Amazon Corretto. Etc. Each
> > would come with a couple of plugins providing features specific to the JDK
> > that it is bundled with, etc.
> >
> > I think that's a logical consequence, if we continue to get our act
> > together, with thanks to the many individual contributors (Laszlo. Chris,
> > Neil, Antonio, Emilian, Junichi, Matthias, Sven, Thilina, Eric -- to name
> > the tip of the iceberg/layered cake).
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:24 PM Christian Bourque <
> > christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 15:08 Kodewerk <kirk@kodewerk.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > London Java Community
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Christian Bourque <
> >> > christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > LJC?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> The LJC is distributing using different formats.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> — Kirk
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <
> >> lbruunhansen@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi,
> >> > .rpm,
> >> > >>> etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it
> >> doesn't
> >> > >>> actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even
> >> > set
> >> > >>> PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it
> >> used
> >> > >> to
> >> > >>> be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be
> >> exposed
> >> > >> in
> >> > >>> such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm
> >> without
> >> > >>> requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish
> >> > JDK
> >> > >>> into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can
> >> finally
> >> > be
> >> > >>> realized without hazzle.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform
> >> > >> applications
> >> > >>> would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in
> >> this
> >> > >>> respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is
> >> for
> >> > >>> sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Lars
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> >> > >>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Gj
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> > >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> Hi all,
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
> >> > >>>>> - No-cost long-term support.
> >> > >>>>> - At least quarterly releases.
> >> > >>>>> - Drop-in replacement.
> >> > >>>>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
> >> > >>>>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> >> > >>>> Corretto.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Gj
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
An interesting point: in addition to bundling the newest version of
VisualVM as part of GraalVM, OracleLabs also provides a branded version of
NetBeans called IGV, which is customized for the needs of GraalVM language
developers and power users. IGV is as part of the GraalVM EE download.
Take a look at graalvm.org, especially graalvm.org/downloads.
The IGV workflow is more analysis oriented, than development oriented, but
the editing features are there. IGV benefits from NetBeans support of Java
and dynamic languages. NetBeans benefits from OracleLabs interest in
bringing the dynamic language compilation and tooling to unprecedented
levels.
In short: GraalVM EE already bundles Apache NetBeans tailored for the needs
of OracleLabs.
Gj
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> It's a tough situation -- and ideally Apache NetBeans would be bundled
> with one or more of the OpenJDK distributions, though maybe that's not
> something for us to decide, but it should be a need that one or more
> OpenJDK distributions should feel -- the need to provide free and open
> source tools together with free and open source JDK distributions.
>
> In any case, when any of them come knocking, there should not be a problem
> for us to be available, i.e., so long as their distribution of Apache
> NetBeans is not named Apache NetBeans, i.e., AdoptNetBeans, a distribution
> of Apache NetBeans bundled with AdoptOpenJDK, CorrettoNetBeans, a
> distribution of Apache NetBeans bundled with Amazon Corretto. Etc. Each
> would come with a couple of plugins providing features specific to the JDK
> that it is bundled with, etc.
>
> I think that's a logical consequence, if we continue to get our act
> together, with thanks to the many individual contributors (Laszlo. Chris,
> Neil, Antonio, Emilian, Junichi, Matthias, Sven, Thilina, Eric -- to name
> the tip of the iceberg/layered cake).
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:24 PM Christian Bourque <
> christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 15:08 Kodewerk <kirk@kodewerk.com wrote:
>>
>> > London Java Community
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Christian Bourque <
>> > christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > LJC?
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> The LJC is distributing using different formats.
>> > >>
>> > >> — Kirk
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <
>> lbruunhansen@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi,
>> > .rpm,
>> > >>> etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it
>> doesn't
>> > >>> actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even
>> > set
>> > >>> PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it
>> used
>> > >> to
>> > >>> be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be
>> exposed
>> > >> in
>> > >>> such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm
>> without
>> > >>> requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish
>> > JDK
>> > >>> into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can
>> finally
>> > be
>> > >>> realized without hazzle.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform
>> > >> applications
>> > >>> would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in
>> this
>> > >>> respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is
>> for
>> > >>> sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Lars
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
>> > >>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Gj
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
>> > >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi all,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
>> > >>>>> - No-cost long-term support.
>> > >>>>> - At least quarterly releases.
>> > >>>>> - Drop-in replacement.
>> > >>>>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
>> > >>>>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
>> > >>>> Corretto.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Gj
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
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>> > >>
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>> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
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>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
It's a tough situation -- and ideally Apache NetBeans would be bundled with
one or more of the OpenJDK distributions, though maybe that's not something
for us to decide, but it should be a need that one or more OpenJDK
distributions should feel -- the need to provide free and open source tools
together with free and open source JDK distributions.
In any case, when any of them come knocking, there should not be a problem
for us to be available, i.e., so long as their distribution of Apache
NetBeans is not named Apache NetBeans, i.e., AdoptNetBeans, a distribution
of Apache NetBeans bundled with AdoptOpenJDK, CorrettoNetBeans, a
distribution of Apache NetBeans bundled with Amazon Corretto. Etc. Each
would come with a couple of plugins providing features specific to the JDK
that it is bundled with, etc.
I think that's a logical consequence, if we continue to get our act
together, with thanks to the many individual contributors (Laszlo. Chris,
Neil, Antonio, Emilian, Junichi, Matthias, Sven, Thilina, Eric -- to name
the tip of the iceberg/layered cake).
Gj
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:24 PM Christian Bourque <
christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 15:08 Kodewerk <kirk@kodewerk.com wrote:
>
> > London Java Community
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Christian Bourque <
> > christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > LJC?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The LJC is distributing using different formats.
> > >>
> > >> — Kirk
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <
> lbruunhansen@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi,
> > .rpm,
> > >>> etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it doesn't
> > >>> actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even
> > set
> > >>> PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it
> used
> > >> to
> > >>> be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be
> exposed
> > >> in
> > >>> such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm without
> > >>> requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish
> > JDK
> > >>> into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can
> finally
> > be
> > >>> realized without hazzle.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform
> > >> applications
> > >>> would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in
> this
> > >>> respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is
> for
> > >>> sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lars
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > >>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gj
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> > >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi all,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
> > >>>>> - No-cost long-term support.
> > >>>>> - At least quarterly releases.
> > >>>>> - Drop-in replacement.
> > >>>>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
> > >>>>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> > >>>> Corretto.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gj
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Christian Bourque <ch...@gmail.com>.
Thanks!
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 15:08 Kodewerk <kirk@kodewerk.com wrote:
> London Java Community
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Christian Bourque <
> christian.bourque@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > LJC?
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The LJC is distributing using different formats.
> >>
> >> — Kirk
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <lbruunhansen@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi,
> .rpm,
> >>> etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it doesn't
> >>> actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even
> set
> >>> PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
> >>>
> >>> I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it used
> >> to
> >>> be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be exposed
> >> in
> >>> such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm without
> >>> requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish
> JDK
> >>> into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can finally
> be
> >>> realized without hazzle.
> >>>
> >>> I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform
> >> applications
> >>> would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in this
> >>> respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is for
> >>> sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
> >>>
> >>> Lars
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> >>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
> >>>>
> >>>> Gj
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
> >>>>> - No-cost long-term support.
> >>>>> - At least quarterly releases.
> >>>>> - Drop-in replacement.
> >>>>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
> >>>>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> >>>> Corretto.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gj
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com>.
London Java Community
> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Christian Bourque <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> LJC?
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> wrote:
>
>> The LJC is distributing using different formats.
>>
>> — Kirk
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi, .rpm,
>>> etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it doesn't
>>> actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even set
>>> PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
>>>
>>> I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it used
>> to
>>> be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be exposed
>> in
>>> such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm without
>>> requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish JDK
>>> into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can finally be
>>> realized without hazzle.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform
>> applications
>>> would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in this
>>> respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is for
>>> sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
>>>>>
>>>>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
>>>>> - No-cost long-term support.
>>>>> - At least quarterly releases.
>>>>> - Drop-in replacement.
>>>>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
>>>>>
>>>>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
>>>>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
>>>> Corretto.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Christian Bourque <ch...@gmail.com>.
LJC?
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> wrote:
> The LJC is distributing using different formats.
>
> — Kirk
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi, .rpm,
> > etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it doesn't
> > actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even set
> > PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
> >
> > I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it used
> to
> > be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be exposed
> in
> > such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm without
> > requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish JDK
> > into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can finally be
> > realized without hazzle.
> >
> > I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform
> applications
> > would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in this
> > respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is for
> > sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
> >
> > Lars
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> >> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
> >>>
> >>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
> >>> - No-cost long-term support.
> >>> - At least quarterly releases.
> >>> - Drop-in replacement.
> >>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
> >>>
> >>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
> >>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
> >>>
> >>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> >> Corretto.
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com>.
The LJC is distributing using different formats.
— Kirk
> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi, .rpm,
> etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it doesn't
> actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even set
> PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
>
> I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it used to
> be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be exposed in
> such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm without
> requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish JDK
> into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can finally be
> realized without hazzle.
>
> I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform applications
> would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in this
> respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is for
> sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
>
> Lars
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
>>>
>>> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
>>> - No-cost long-term support.
>>> - At least quarterly releases.
>>> - Drop-in replacement.
>>> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
>>>
>>> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
>>> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
>>>
>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
>> Corretto.
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>.
Not too impressed by Amazon Correto. So far they only provide .msi, .rpm,
etc, with no .zip/.tgz in sight. If you look at their .msi it doesn't
actually seem to be doing anything else than unpacking. Doesn't even set
PATH. Then why distribute as an .msi ?
I'm waiting for someone to provide JDK as a .tgz/.zip bundle as it used to
be the case (AdoptOpenJDK has got this right), preferably to be exposed in
such a way so it can be fetched automatically by a build farm without
requiring popup accept of license. Heck, I hope someone will publish JDK
into a Maven repo some day so that the whole bundling idea can finally be
realized without hazzle.
I'm hoping that distributing self-contained NetBeans Platform applications
would become easier in the future. Amazon Corretto doesn't help in this
respect. But yes, great to see diversity and Amazon's initiative is for
sure a testament to the JDK's omnipresence.
Lars
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:47 AM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
> >
> > - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
> > - No-cost long-term support.
> > - At least quarterly releases.
> > - Drop-in replacement.
> > - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
> >
> > And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
> > probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
> >
> > I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> Corretto.
> >
> > Gj
> >
>
Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/amazon-corretto-no-cost-distribution-openjdk-long-term-support/
Gj
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just announced at Devoxx in Belgium:
>
> https://twitter.com/search?q=amazon+corretto
>
> - Downstream distribution of the Open JDK.
> - No-cost long-term support.
> - At least quarterly releases.
> - Drop-in replacement.
> - Multiplatform - Linux, Windows, Mac, Docker
>
> And it appears to be driven by James Gosling, founder of Java, and
> probably the most famous NetBeans enthusiast.
>
> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon Corretto.
>
> Gj
>
Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Sven Reimers <sv...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
the major points from my perspective
- only Java 8
+ it contains JavaFX
Sven
Am Mi., 14. Nov. 2018, 21:35 hat Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com> geschrieben:
> Hi,
>
> Since NetBeans is a community based project I would argue that if you’re
> going to center around any build of OpenJDK that it be the London Java
> Communities build, AdoptOpenJDK. It is the only truly community supported
> build.
>
> Amazon’s support is superficial at best. It is driven by Amazon’s
> commercial needs, nothing wrong with that.. it’s just lets try to
> understand what they are doing.
> 1) Amazon built an internal JVM team to; be responsive to Amazon’s needs
> and to avoid Oracle support licenses…
> 2) Once built, it’s no real expense to make their internal builds public
> and in the process, interfere with Oracles plans to sell more support
> contracts for Java.
>
> So I don’t believe that Amazon’s motives are altruistic here… Adopt is an
> community run project so…..
>
> Kind regards,
> Kirk
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2018, at 2:48 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> > That’s fair enough and true too
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 09:46 Geertjan Wielenga
> >> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> >> Corretto.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What would that actually mean? Why would we orient to any particular
> >> OpenJDK?
> >>
> >> Personally far more interested in AdoptOpenJDK, offering all this and
> not
> >> being led by any one company!
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Kodewerk <ki...@kodewerk.com>.
Hi,
Since NetBeans is a community based project I would argue that if you’re going to center around any build of OpenJDK that it be the London Java Communities build, AdoptOpenJDK. It is the only truly community supported build.
Amazon’s support is superficial at best. It is driven by Amazon’s commercial needs, nothing wrong with that.. it’s just lets try to understand what they are doing.
1) Amazon built an internal JVM team to; be responsive to Amazon’s needs and to avoid Oracle support licenses…
2) Once built, it’s no real expense to make their internal builds public and in the process, interfere with Oracles plans to sell more support contracts for Java.
So I don’t believe that Amazon’s motives are altruistic here… Adopt is an community run project so…..
Kind regards,
Kirk
> On Nov 14, 2018, at 2:48 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> That’s fair enough and true too
>
> Gj
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 09:46 Geertjan Wielenga
>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
>> Corretto.
>>>
>>
>> What would that actually mean? Why would we orient to any particular
>> OpenJDK?
>>
>> Personally far more interested in AdoptOpenJDK, offering all this and not
>> being led by any one company!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 12:55, ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well an openjdk distribution can include NetBeans as ASL 2.0 doesn't forbid
> this.
> The other way around is not possible though.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion? In both cases, at
minimum the terms of both licenses apply?!
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by ehsavoie <em...@gmail.com>.
Well an openjdk distribution can include NetBeans as ASL 2.0 doesn't forbid
this.
The other way around is not possible though.
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http://www.ehsavoie.com
http://twitter.com/ehsavoie
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 12:53 PM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 11:10, Matthias Bläsing
> <mb...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
> > To make this possible, I think Oracle legal (as the holder of the
> > copyright of openjdk) and Apache legal need to agree on what is an "ok"
> > combination of GPLv2-CPE (GPL with Classpath Exception) and the ALv2.
> >
> > Most people agree, that a license/artifact under GPLv2-CPE used as a
> > part of a larger does not affect the license of the whole artifact. The
> > problem is, that Apache legal sees this more critical.
>
> I still think you're misinterpreting this issue. It don't believe it
> has anything to do with Oracle legal, or in what circumstances code
> under those two licenses can be bundled together, but specifically
> Apache foundation policies on what can and can't be distributed by the
> foundation - eg. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#criteria.
> I would hope that policy around "platform dependencies" (eg.
> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#platform ) will evolve or
> things are going to get more complicated for us.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 11:10, Matthias Bläsing
<mb...@doppel-helix.eu> wrote:
> To make this possible, I think Oracle legal (as the holder of the
> copyright of openjdk) and Apache legal need to agree on what is an "ok"
> combination of GPLv2-CPE (GPL with Classpath Exception) and the ALv2.
>
> Most people agree, that a license/artifact under GPLv2-CPE used as a
> part of a larger does not affect the license of the whole artifact. The
> problem is, that Apache legal sees this more critical.
I still think you're misinterpreting this issue. It don't believe it
has anything to do with Oracle legal, or in what circumstances code
under those two licenses can be bundled together, but specifically
Apache foundation policies on what can and can't be distributed by the
foundation - eg. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#criteria.
I would hope that policy around "platform dependencies" (eg.
https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#platform ) will evolve or
things are going to get more complicated for us.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>.
Hi Zoran,
Am Mittwoch, den 14.11.2018, 11:59 +0100 schrieb Zoran Sevarac:
> Would it be possible to provide Net Beans binary distribution together as
> Corretto, as it was before with Oracle JDK?
> With Gosling there , he is probably using NetBeans and he may be willing to
> support that.
at this time it is not possible for the Apache Netbeans project. For an
apache project this needed to be resolved:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-336
To make this possible, I think Oracle legal (as the holder of the
copyright of openjdk) and Apache legal need to agree on what is an "ok"
combination of GPLv2-CPE (GPL with Classpath Exception) and the ALv2.
Most people agree, that a license/artifact under GPLv2-CPE used as a
part of a larger does not affect the license of the whole artifact. The
problem is, that Apache legal sees this more critical.
Greetings
Matthias
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
Would it be possible to provide Net Beans binary distribution together as
Corretto, as it was before with Oracle JDK?
With Gosling there , he is probably using NetBeans and he may be willing to
support that.
Best
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:55 AM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 10:48 Geertjan Wielenga
> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
>
> > That’s fair enough and true too.
> >
>
> That wasn't meant as a downer on this actual announcement by the way! It's
> exciting to see all the various distributions of OpenJDK getting underway.
> Interesting times! :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> >
>
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Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 10:48 Geertjan Wielenga
<geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
> That’s fair enough and true too.
>
That wasn't meant as a downer on this actual announcement by the way! It's
exciting to see all the various distributions of OpenJDK getting underway.
Interesting times! :-)
Best wishes,
Neil
>
Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
That’s fair enough and true too.
Gj
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 09:46 Geertjan Wielenga
> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
>
> >
> > I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon
> Corretto.
> >
>
> What would that actually mean? Why would we orient to any particular
> OpenJDK?
>
> Personally far more interested in AdoptOpenJDK, offering all this and not
> being led by any one company!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> >
>
Re: Amazon Corretto
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, 09:46 Geertjan Wielenga
<geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
>
> I believe we should consider orientating ourselves around Amazon Corretto.
>
What would that actually mean? Why would we orient to any particular
OpenJDK?
Personally far more interested in AdoptOpenJDK, offering all this and not
being led by any one company!
Best wishes,
Neil
>