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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com> on 2012/01/18 15:34:09 UTC
logo contest closed
I think the deadline for the logo submissions has passed - what will we do
with anything that still comes in? Maybe remove the instructions from the
site and make a final decision on the voting procedure, put out a call for
a community wide vote and where the PPMC members get involved.
- Peter
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
Sorry, I mean can we see the id's? Like 1 - Erik, 2 - Samuel etc.
d
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 15:48 heeft Dany Dhondt het volgende geschreven:
> Mike,
>
> Is it possible to give each an id?
>
> Dany
>
>
> Op 18-jan.-2012, om 15:44 heeft Michael Schmalle het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Quoting Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> A few suggestions:
>>>
>>> - let's make an official list with all the logos and their creators. This could be as simple as an html page. We could then 'id' them, so reference is clear.
>>
>> There is already an official list [1], on the websites logo page. The logos are already have ids.
>>
>>> - the community should be well informed where to view this final list
>>
>> It's the website [1];
>>
>>> - is there a voting system available?
>>> - who can vote? Are non community members allowed to vote? This might trigger family, and family of family members voting... we should avoid that
>>
>> To be decided sooner than later.
>>
>>> Dany
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/logo-contest.html
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Michael Schmalle <mi...@teotigraphix.com>.
Quoting Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>:
> Mike,
>
> Is it possible to give each an id?
>
Well they already have ids in the preview link. If you mean that same
id next to the name I guess that would be a good idea out of clarity
sake.
I'll do that right now.
Mike
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
Mike,
Is it possible to give each an id?
Dany
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 15:44 heeft Michael Schmalle het volgende geschreven:
> Quoting Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> A few suggestions:
>>
>> - let's make an official list with all the logos and their creators. This could be as simple as an html page. We could then 'id' them, so reference is clear.
>
> There is already an official list [1], on the websites logo page. The logos are already have ids.
>
>> - the community should be well informed where to view this final list
>
> It's the website [1];
>
>> - is there a voting system available?
>> - who can vote? Are non community members allowed to vote? This might trigger family, and family of family members voting... we should avoid that
>
> To be decided sooner than later.
>
>> Dany
>
> Mike
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/logo-contest.html
>
>
>
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Michael Schmalle <mi...@teotigraphix.com> wrote:
> Quoting Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>:
>>... - who can vote? Are non community members allowed to vote? This might
>> trigger family, and family of family members voting... we should avoid that
>
> To be decided sooner than later.
Michael, would you volunteer to take the lead and drive this voting process?
The decisions about who can vote and how belong to this PPMC - as
usual suggestions are welcome but someone has to make the choices.
-Bertrand (with my mentor hat on in case it matters)
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Michael Schmalle <mi...@teotigraphix.com>.
Quoting Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>:
> Hi,
>
> A few suggestions:
>
> - let's make an official list with all the logos and their creators.
> This could be as simple as an html page. We could then 'id' them, so
> reference is clear.
There is already an official list [1], on the websites logo page. The
logos are already have ids.
> - the community should be well informed where to view this final list
It's the website [1];
> - is there a voting system available?
> - who can vote? Are non community members allowed to vote? This
> might trigger family, and family of family members voting... we
> should avoid that
To be decided sooner than later.
> Dany
Mike
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/flex/logo-contest.html
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Jonathan Campos <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Doug McCune <do...@dougmccune.com> wrote:
> . People aren't swayed by who created the logo (as much). People certainly
> wouldn't be swayed by seeing votes come in for a certain person's logo. All
> you'd see are votes for entry numbers.
>
I like the idea. It also removes the possible emotions from the choice. We
aren't saying +1/-1 to a person, just to a logo. We still like the
person... sometimes :)
--
Jonathan Campos
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
+1
-Dany
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 17:47 heeft Doug McCune het volgende geschreven:
> One additional thought... what about removing the authors names and even
> randomizing the list of entries now that the contest is closed? This has
> two effects:
>
> 1. People aren't swayed by who created the logo (as much). People certainly
> wouldn't be swayed by seeing votes come in for a certain person's logo. All
> you'd see are votes for entry numbers.
>
> 2. People are forced to look at every logo again. Since the rules of
> submission were that you were supposed to submit and then update the same
> preview URL with any updates, there may have been updates to various logos.
> Lazy voters might look at a submission entry in the list and already know
> how they are going to vote, but the logo might have been changed since they
> originally looked at it. If we anonymize and randomize the entries then we
> force people to look at each one during the voting process. It will take
> longer, since voters can't just skip over ones they know they don't like,
> but given the fact that logos can change since they were submitted I think
> that might be more a pro than a con.
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Doug McCune <do...@dougmccune.com>.
One additional thought... what about removing the authors names and even
randomizing the list of entries now that the contest is closed? This has
two effects:
1. People aren't swayed by who created the logo (as much). People certainly
wouldn't be swayed by seeing votes come in for a certain person's logo. All
you'd see are votes for entry numbers.
2. People are forced to look at every logo again. Since the rules of
submission were that you were supposed to submit and then update the same
preview URL with any updates, there may have been updates to various logos.
Lazy voters might look at a submission entry in the list and already know
how they are going to vote, but the logo might have been changed since they
originally looked at it. If we anonymize and randomize the entries then we
force people to look at each one during the voting process. It will take
longer, since voters can't just skip over ones they know they don't like,
but given the fact that logos can change since they were submitted I think
that might be more a pro than a con.
Re: [LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
That would be nice!
Dany
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:38 heeft Peter Elst het volgende geschreven:
>> It will be through the mailing list.
>
>
> I think it might have been discussed but trying to make our life easier -
> its possible to set up a Google form linked to a read-only Google
> spreadsheet and have submissions through the form automatically mailed to
> the list.
>
>
> - Peter
Re: [LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Michael Schmalle <mi...@teotigraphix.com>.
Quoting Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com>:
>> It will be through the mailing list.
>
>
> I think it might have been discussed but trying to make our life easier -
> its possible to set up a Google form linked to a read-only Google
> spreadsheet and have submissions through the form automatically mailed to
> the list.
>
>
> - Peter
>
Peter, this is where it got muddy. I don't really want or need to get
involved in this mess. I given my all up to this point to have a nice
and clean work area(IE logo entries), I really think it's time that I
respectfully pass the baton. :)
I have no experience with what you are talking about.
Mike
Re: [LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Marcus Fritze <ma...@googlemail.com>.
I know / understand what you mean. I already try to create this form (I don't know if this is possible in Google Docs).
Marcus
Am 18.01.2012 um 16:38 schrieb Peter Elst:
>> It will be through the mailing list.
>
>
> I think it might have been discussed but trying to make our life easier -
> its possible to set up a Google form linked to a read-only Google
> spreadsheet and have submissions through the form automatically mailed to
> the list.
>
>
> - Peter
Re: [LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com>.
> It will be through the mailing list.
I think it might have been discussed but trying to make our life easier -
its possible to set up a Google form linked to a read-only Google
spreadsheet and have submissions through the form automatically mailed to
the list.
- Peter
Re: [LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Michael Schmalle <mi...@teotigraphix.com>.
Quoting Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>:
> Two choices:
> Anonymous voting (mail sent directly to one person)
This is NOT an option, everything we do in Apache is public
> Non-anonymous voting (mail sent to the list)
It will be through the mailing list.
Mike
Re: [LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com>.
>
>
> Anonymous voting (mail sent directly to one person)
> Non-anonymous voting (mail sent to the list)
I'd say absolutely non-anonymous - if it doesn't happen on the mailinglist
it doesn't happen :)
Please lets keep votes to a single thread.
- Peter
[LOGO] Voting: anonymous or not?
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
Two choices:
Anonymous voting (mail sent directly to one person)
Non-anonymous voting (mail sent to the list)
Dany
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:29 heeft Dany Dhondt het volgende geschreven:
> I suggest we follow Marcus' idea. Let's wait for a 'start voting email' and then just reply to it.
>
> If Michael volunteers to take the lead, then let him round up the procedure in the start voting mail.
>
> Dany
>
> Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:23 heeft Carlos Zaragoza het volgende geschreven:
>
>> But how is the process to vote it?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Marcus Fritze het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> Maybe we send a "start voting mail" and they only have to reply this
>>> mail.
>>> +1 on this
>>>
>>>> EXAMPLE:
>>>>
>>>> 1st: ID 12
>>>> 2nd: ID 19
>>>> 3rd: ID 3
>>>> 4th: ID 6
>>>> 5th: ID 9
>>>> 6th: ID 17
>>> and on this
>>>
>>> We could even simplify it:
>>>
>>> 1: 12
>>> 2: 19
>>> 3: 03
>>> 4: 06
>>> 5: 09
>>> 6: 17
>>>
>>>
>>> Dany
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Saludos,
>> * Carlos Zaragoza*
>> @carast www.carast.com* *
>
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
I suggest we follow Marcus' idea. Let's wait for a 'start voting email' and then just reply to it.
If Michael volunteers to take the lead, then let him round up the procedure in the start voting mail.
Dany
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:23 heeft Carlos Zaragoza het volgende geschreven:
> But how is the process to vote it?
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Marcus Fritze het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Maybe we send a "start voting mail" and they only have to reply this
>> mail.
>> +1 on this
>>
>>> EXAMPLE:
>>>
>>> 1st: ID 12
>>> 2nd: ID 19
>>> 3rd: ID 3
>>> 4th: ID 6
>>> 5th: ID 9
>>> 6th: ID 17
>> and on this
>>
>> We could even simplify it:
>>
>> 1: 12
>> 2: 19
>> 3: 03
>> 4: 06
>> 5: 09
>> 6: 17
>>
>>
>> Dany
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Saludos,
> * Carlos Zaragoza*
> @carast www.carast.com* *
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Carlos Zaragoza <ca...@gmail.com>.
But how is the process to vote it?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Marcus Fritze het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Maybe we send a "start voting mail" and they only have to reply this
> mail.
> +1 on this
>
> > EXAMPLE:
> >
> > 1st: ID 12
> > 2nd: ID 19
> > 3rd: ID 3
> > 4th: ID 6
> > 5th: ID 9
> > 6th: ID 17
> and on this
>
> We could even simplify it:
>
> 1: 12
> 2: 19
> 3: 03
> 4: 06
> 5: 09
> 6: 17
>
>
> Dany
>
--
Saludos,
* Carlos Zaragoza*
@carast www.carast.com* *
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Marcus Fritze het volgende geschreven:
> Maybe we send a "start voting mail" and they only have to reply this mail.
+1 on this
> EXAMPLE:
>
> 1st: ID 12
> 2nd: ID 19
> 3rd: ID 3
> 4th: ID 6
> 5th: ID 9
> 6th: ID 17
and on this
We could even simplify it:
1: 12
2: 19
3: 03
4: 06
5: 09
6: 17
Dany
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Marcus Fritze <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Am 18.01.2012 um 15:39 schrieb Dany Dhondt:
> Hi,
>
> A few suggestions:
>
> - let's make an official list with all the logos and their creators. This could be as simple as an html page. We could then 'id' them, so reference is clear.
> - the community should be well informed where to view this final list
already exists here http://incubator.apache.org/flex/logo-contest.html
> - is there a voting system available?
> - who can vote? Are non community members allowed to vote? This might trigger family, and family of family members voting... we should avoid that
>
Everybody, who subscribed to this mailing list should be able to vote (not only the registered committers - maybe announce the voting procedure via this mailing list).
Maybe we send a "start voting mail" and they only have to reply this mail.
As I suggested in my "[Logo] Voting" mail:
> Because of the amount of logos we can maybe award places from 1st to 6th and use the following "championship" table ;-)
>
> 1st: 10 points
> 2nd: 6 points
> 3rd: 4 points
> 4th: 3 points
> 5th: 2 points
> 6th: 1 point
>
> How to vote?
>
> Copy the following text and complete the table with your IDs:
>
> 1st: ID or short apache link
> 2nd: ID or short apache link
> 3rd: ID or short apache link
> 4th: ID or short apache link
> 5th: ID or short apache link
> 6th: ID or short apache link
>
> And email this to the flex-dev@incubator.apache.org. Every e-mail address can only vote once, if someone votes multiple times, the previous voting of this user is invalid. Only the last voting of a user counts.
>
>
> EXAMPLE:
>
> 1st: ID 12
> 2nd: ID 19
> 3rd: ID 3
> 4th: ID 6
> 5th: ID 9
> 6th: ID 17
>
> And I would make a little Excel table for counting the points.
Marcus
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
Hi,
A few suggestions:
- let's make an official list with all the logos and their creators. This could be as simple as an html page. We could then 'id' them, so reference is clear.
- the community should be well informed where to view this final list
- is there a voting system available?
- who can vote? Are non community members allowed to vote? This might trigger family, and family of family members voting... we should avoid that
Dany
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 15:34 heeft Peter Elst het volgende geschreven:
> I think the deadline for the logo submissions has passed - what will we do
> with anything that still comes in? Maybe remove the instructions from the
> site and make a final decision on the voting procedure, put out a call for
> a community wide vote and where the PPMC members get involved.
>
> - Peter
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Dany Dhondt <ar...@mac.com>.
I agree!
d
Op 18-jan.-2012, om 15:38 heeft Michael Schmalle het volgende geschreven:
> Quoting Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I think the deadline for the logo submissions has passed - what will we do
>> with anything that still comes in?
>
> Not accept it.
>
> Maybe remove the instructions from the
>> site and make a final decision on the voting procedure, put out a call for
>> a community wide vote and where the PPMC members get involved.
>>
>> - Peter
>>
>
> I'll remove the instructions from the logo page.
>
> Mike
>
Re: logo contest closed
Posted by Michael Schmalle <mi...@teotigraphix.com>.
Quoting Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com>:
> I think the deadline for the logo submissions has passed - what will we do
> with anything that still comes in?
Not accept it.
Maybe remove the instructions from the
> site and make a final decision on the voting procedure, put out a call for
> a community wide vote and where the PPMC members get involved.
>
> - Peter
>
I'll remove the instructions from the logo page.
Mike