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Posted to fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch> on 2003/01/23 11:56:42 UTC
Integration of Peter's work
Hi all (and especially Peter)
I'd like to ask if and when we can integrate Peter's work into the main
redesign. If nobody is against this move in general, I'd volunteer to
help Peter integrate it. I've got some time for this and I think this
could help focus our limited resources.
Peter, would you add a Wiki page describing what needs to be done for
the integration and what others could help you with?
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
On 02.02.2003 05:38:27 Peter B. West wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> > On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which
> >>find their way into the Wiki?
> >
> >
> > +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your
> > cvs.apache.org account.
>
> Even though I don't have any appropriate tools for such at the moment, I
> should like the diagrams to be editable to the same extent as the text.
> I don't comprehend design discussions without diagrams. In order to
> do this, we need somewhere accessible, not necessarily on the web-site,
> to drop these things. Can they be fitted within the Wiki structure?
I'm not a Wiki-specialist, but at least the current Wiki implementation
doesn't support uploading of images. A thing like that could be proposed
on the community mailing list.
Anyway, there's an easy way to upload files to your public_html
directory, for example with scp (or pscp if you use the putty package).
I can do:
pscp C:\Temp\mypic.png jeremias@cvs.apache.org:/x1/home/jeremias/public_html
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Peter B. West wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
>
>> On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams
>>> which find their way into the Wiki?
>>
>> +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your
>> cvs.apache.org account.
>
> Even though I don't have any appropriate tools for such at the moment, I
> should like the diagrams to be editable to the same extent as the text.
> I don't comprehend design discussions without diagrams. In order to do
> this, we need somewhere accessible, not necessarily on the web-site, to
> drop these things. Can they be fitted within the Wiki structure?
What about putting in the CVS svg files (Openoffice does them IIRC) and
have Forrest publish them as PNG on the website? You could reference
them from the forrestbot.cocoondev.org space and have them updated every
hour or so. Just another option.
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by "Peter B. West" <pb...@powerup.com.au>.
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote:
>
>
>>Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which
>>find their way into the Wiki?
>
>
> +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your
> cvs.apache.org account.
Even though I don't have any appropriate tools for such at the moment, I
should like the diagrams to be editable to the same extent as the text.
I don't comprehend design discussions without diagrams. In order to
do this, we need somewhere accessible, not necessarily on the web-site,
to drop these things. Can they be fitted within the Wiki structure?
Peter
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote:
> Sorry about the delay on this. I'll start some work on the Wiki now
> that I have something basic working with my documentation.
Great.
> Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which
> find their way into the Wiki?
+0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your
cvs.apache.org account.
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by "Peter B. West" <pb...@powerup.com.au>.
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> Hi all (and especially Peter)
>
> I'd like to ask if and when we can integrate Peter's work into the main
> redesign. If nobody is against this move in general, I'd volunteer to
> help Peter integrate it. I've got some time for this and I think this
> could help focus our limited resources.
>
> Peter, would you add a Wiki page describing what needs to be done for
> the integration and what others could help you with?
Jeremias and others,
Sorry about the delay on this. I'll start some work on the Wiki now
that I have something basic working with my documentation.
Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which
find their way into the Wiki?
Peter
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
Peter B. West wrote:
>. . .
> What will be interesting here is the possibility
> of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure
> renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions
> with Bertrand on this.
Looks promising, let me know where to look when the time is right.
-Bertrand
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by "Peter B. West" <pb...@powerup.com.au>.
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> On 23.01.2003 12:34:33 Peter B. West wrote:
...
>>There are a couple of issues in the design of the properties code that
>>will require decisions from the editors. I will detail these on the
>>Wiki, and formulate questions for the editors in hopes of a quick reply.
>
>
> I don't think that each and every issue has to be resolved prior to move
> your things in. We can sort that out later, right? Or are there any
> showstoppers?
Mess-makers. We will need to think about the sorts of changes that will
be required if the decision goes against me.
...
>
> I don't want to put pressure on you. Just know that I'm available if
> you're ready.
Much appreciated.
Peter
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
On 23.01.2003 12:34:33 Peter B. West wrote:
> Jeremias,
>
> I shall do that, although, never having had anything to do with Wikis
> before, I will be fumbling.
It's easy. You'll see. :-)
> As you may have noticed, I have been somewhat distracted since the New
> Year. Among the things that require attention are my attempts at a
> pseudo-code-walkthrough style of documentation for the properties code.
> I hope to post my initial efforts tomorrow. I have struggled to make
> the documentation acceptable to Forrest, but the end result is not
> satisfactory, and I am hoping for some detailed suggestions once I get
> the pages up.
>
> There are a couple of issues in the design of the properties code that
> will require decisions from the editors. I will detail these on the
> Wiki, and formulate questions for the editors in hopes of a quick reply.
I don't think that each and every issue has to be resolved prior to move
your things in. We can sort that out later, right? Or are there any
showstoppers?
> Those things aside, the integration can probably proceed along the same
> vector as the current FO Tree integration - via the completion of
> page-sequence events. What will be interesting here is the possibility
> of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure
> renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions
> with Bertrand on this.
>
> Warning: extensive style policing will be required.
:-)
> A bit to do over the next few days.
I don't want to put pressure on you. Just know that I'm available if
you're ready.
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by "Peter B. West" <pb...@powerup.com.au>.
Jeremias,
I shall do that, although, never having had anything to do with Wikis
before, I will be fumbling.
As you may have noticed, I have been somewhat distracted since the New
Year. Among the things that require attention are my attempts at a
pseudo-code-walkthrough style of documentation for the properties code.
I hope to post my initial efforts tomorrow. I have struggled to make
the documentation acceptable to Forrest, but the end result is not
satisfactory, and I am hoping for some detailed suggestions once I get
the pages up.
There are a couple of issues in the design of the properties code that
will require decisions from the editors. I will detail these on the
Wiki, and formulate questions for the editors in hopes of a quick reply.
Those things aside, the integration can probably proceed along the same
vector as the current FO Tree integration - via the completion of
page-sequence events. What will be interesting here is the possibility
of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure
renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions
with Bertrand on this.
Warning: extensive style policing will be required.
A bit to do over the next few days.
Peter
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> Hi all (and especially Peter)
>
> I'd like to ask if and when we can integrate Peter's work into the main
> redesign. If nobody is against this move in general, I'd volunteer to
> help Peter integrate it. I've got some time for this and I think this
> could help focus our limited resources.
>
> Peter, would you add a Wiki page describing what needs to be done for
> the integration and what others could help you with?
--
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"Lord, to whom shall we go?"
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
...and I don't use the built-in Ant support. Doesn't work on my machine.
Lots of error with out build.xml.
On 23.01.2003 18:32:01 Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> > BTW, does anyone here use Eclipse as their IDE? I use it, and getting
> > it to play nice with FOP's source hasn't been easy for me, so I thought
> > I might ask around.
>
> I use it. That's why I refactored the build in the redesign. There you
> can have two source directories (src and build/gensrc) and you'll have
> everything you need. For the branch this is not so simple as there is
> still PDFGraphics2D.java that doesn't compile so easily. I've changed
> this in the redesign to PDFGraphics2D.javat (t=template).
>
> To build the build/gensrc directory, just call "build codegen".
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
On 23.01.2003 16:07:24 Rhett Aultman wrote:
> "Doing anything" is why I have volunteered to help integrate Peter's
> work. It seems like the sort of thing I could do without excessive
> domain knowledge and like something I can do while I keep an eye on the
> layout system and while thinking about my other projects. ;)
That's fine. The leaves room for me to concentrate on Avalonization.
> BTW, does anyone here use Eclipse as their IDE? I use it, and getting
> it to play nice with FOP's source hasn't been easy for me, so I thought
> I might ask around.
I use it. That's why I refactored the build in the redesign. There you
can have two source directories (src and build/gensrc) and you'll have
everything you need. For the branch this is not so simple as there is
still PDFGraphics2D.java that doesn't compile so easily. I've changed
this in the redesign to PDFGraphics2D.javat (t=template).
To build the build/gensrc directory, just call "build codegen".
Does that help?
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
On 23.01.2003 15:18:14 Rhett Aultman wrote:
> It is part of a reason, though it's not a primary reason. The number
> one reason is that the area I have most understanding in is layout and
> it seems Keiron's setting the pace there, so I'm watching, waiting, and
> learning. Anomalous document resolution and overconstraint relaxing,
> which is an area I'd like to develop out, is something that's still
> working nebulously in my mind and on the Wiki, especially since I think
> it will have to be grafted on to the layout system at hand, and I'm
> watching where things go with that.
Don't watch too long. :-) Doing anything already helps us.
> So I guess I'm saying I don't *NEED* R/W access.
I'm sure we will get annoyed by your sending tons of patches and vote
you in as a committer in no time. :-)
> As for my mail client...pretty much, yes, I am. It's a standard at my
> company. The only other option is for me to switch to my private email
> account and start using a web-based client. If it's annoying people, I
> can.
It's a nice-to-have.
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Integration of Peter's work
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
Processing properly generated unified diffs is not much of a problem. It
would be cool if you could help, too. We can use all the help we can get.
Just curious: Is the missing R/W access to CVS a reason for you not to
contribute?
(another little thing: Are you forced to use that particular mail client
you currently use?)
On 23.01.2003 14:39:25 Rhett Aultman wrote:
> If clear documentation of what needs to be done can be produced, I'm
> willing to offer my time to it, too, though I don't know if my not
> having R/W access to the CVS would make me an unsuitable candidate.
Jeremias Maerki
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