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Posted to dev@rya.apache.org by Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> on 2017/11/22 22:55:35 UTC
[DISCUSS] Graduation?
Hiya,
(Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity,
traffic, etc)
I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should
start thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready,
let's set concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get
the podling to graduation.
Thoughts/Opinions?
- Josh
[1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>.
/me gets out soapbox
Let's remember that incubation at the ASF is *not* about technical
quality of the software. Incubation is about understanding the way that
projects are operated at the ASF. This means that the key areas are:
* A diverse community of folks working on a project (not just one
company, group, etc) to prevent the project from immediately dying if
that group stops contributing.
* The ability to make valid Apache releases (licensing/copyright
concerns and ASF policies)
* Community members who embrace community development and the "Apache
Way": all work and decisions done in the public, merit given to those
deserving, etc.
The podlings handling of their last release (and licensing issues) gave
me confidence that they are very close. There will always be a "we
should fix $x", and that shouldn't be something that holds up graduation
(except in extreme situations around license incompatibility).
On 11/30/17 7:02 AM, Puja Valiyil wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> I think the graduation process would take several months. The rdf4j upgrade is likely to be merged in prior to that.
> What's the status of that pr? I know Eric white and a few other developers were helping the original author with it, but it fell off my radar over thanksgiving. Did we make a decision about how to support legacy users (maintaining a 3.x branch and pulling the rdf 4j upgrade as. 4.x change since it's a breaking change)?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:20 AM, Erik Bijsterbosch <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Shouldn't code for OpenRDF be refactored to RDF4J for graduation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erik
>>
>> 2017-11-22 23:55 GMT+01:00 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>:
>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity, traffic,
>>> etc)
>>>
>>> I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should start
>>> thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's set
>>> concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the podling
>>> to graduation.
>>>
>>> Thoughts/Opinions?
>>>
>>> - Josh
>>>
>>> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Puja Valiyil <pu...@gmail.com>.
Good to know! I assumed it was a long and involved process.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Billie Rinaldi <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:02 AM, Puja Valiyil <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>> I think the graduation process would take several months. The rdf4j
>> upgrade is likely to be merged in prior to that.
>>
>
> Graduation would take only a month or two, depending on the timing of the
> discussion / vote threads and the scheduled board meeting.
>
>
>> What's the status of that pr? I know Eric white and a few other
>> developers were helping the original author with it, but it fell off my
>> radar over thanksgiving. Did we make a decision about how to support
>> legacy users (maintaining a 3.x branch and pulling the rdf 4j upgrade as.
>> 4.x change since it's a breaking change)?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:20 AM, Erik Bijsterbosch <e....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Shouldn't code for OpenRDF be refactored to RDF4J for graduation?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> 2017-11-22 23:55 GMT+01:00 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>>> Hiya,
>>>>
>>>> (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity,
>> traffic,
>>>> etc)
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should
>> start
>>>> thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's
>> set
>>>> concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the
>> podling
>>>> to graduation.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts/Opinions?
>>>>
>>>> - Josh
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Billie Rinaldi <bi...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:02 AM, Puja Valiyil <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> I think the graduation process would take several months. The rdf4j
> upgrade is likely to be merged in prior to that.
>
Graduation would take only a month or two, depending on the timing of the
discussion / vote threads and the scheduled board meeting.
> What's the status of that pr? I know Eric white and a few other
> developers were helping the original author with it, but it fell off my
> radar over thanksgiving. Did we make a decision about how to support
> legacy users (maintaining a 3.x branch and pulling the rdf 4j upgrade as.
> 4.x change since it's a breaking change)?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:20 AM, Erik Bijsterbosch <e....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Shouldn't code for OpenRDF be refactored to RDF4J for graduation?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Erik
> >
> > 2017-11-22 23:55 GMT+01:00 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>:
> >
> >> Hiya,
> >>
> >> (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity,
> traffic,
> >> etc)
> >>
> >> I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should
> start
> >> thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's
> set
> >> concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the
> podling
> >> to graduation.
> >>
> >> Thoughts/Opinions?
> >>
> >> - Josh
> >>
> >> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Puja Valiyil <pu...@gmail.com>.
Hi Eric,
I think the graduation process would take several months. The rdf4j upgrade is likely to be merged in prior to that.
What's the status of that pr? I know Eric white and a few other developers were helping the original author with it, but it fell off my radar over thanksgiving. Did we make a decision about how to support legacy users (maintaining a 3.x branch and pulling the rdf 4j upgrade as. 4.x change since it's a breaking change)?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:20 AM, Erik Bijsterbosch <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Shouldn't code for OpenRDF be refactored to RDF4J for graduation?
>
> Regards,
> Erik
>
> 2017-11-22 23:55 GMT+01:00 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>:
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity, traffic,
>> etc)
>>
>> I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should start
>> thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's set
>> concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the podling
>> to graduation.
>>
>> Thoughts/Opinions?
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Erik Bijsterbosch <e....@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
Shouldn't code for OpenRDF be refactored to RDF4J for graduation?
Regards,
Erik
2017-11-22 23:55 GMT+01:00 Josh Elser <el...@apache.org>:
> Hiya,
>
> (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity, traffic,
> etc)
>
> I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should start
> thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's set
> concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the podling
> to graduation.
>
> Thoughts/Opinions?
>
> - Josh
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Billie Rinaldi <bi...@apache.org>.
Yes, the status page at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/rya.html
definitely needs to be updated. This is not giving an accurate
representation of Rya's current state. The News section should contain
information about releases and new committers (see other podling status
pages for examples) and dates should be filled in for items completed under
Incubation work items. The status reports section also is not up to date.
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu> wrote:
> Thank you Josh for starting the discussion and Keith for agreeing :)
>
> Rya had 2 releases as Apache incubator project and we are working on the
> third one, each with a different release manager. We added two committers
> and PPMC memebers so we are now familiar with the process. I'm not aware of
> any IP issues.
>
> I'll look at the graduation guide Josh pointed out and let's see what we
> need to do. Updating the status file is on top of that list.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Keith Turner <ke...@deenlo.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Josh that its good to start thinking of graduation and
> > try to figure out what if anything is impeding that.
> >
> > Are there any outstanding intellectual property issues w/ copyright,
> > trademark, patents, or dependency licenses? How is these release
> > process, is it documented and repeatable by multiple members of the
> > project? Has the Rya PPMC gone through the process of adding a
> > committer?
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hiya,
> > >
> > > (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity,
> > traffic,
> > > etc)
> > >
> > > I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should
> > start
> > > thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's
> > set
> > > concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the
> > podling
> > > to graduation.
> > >
> > > Thoughts/Opinions?
> > >
> > > - Josh
> > >
> > > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
> Associate Professor
> Computer Science Department
> United States Naval Academy
> 410-293-6822
> adina@usna.edu
> http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Adina Crainiceanu <ad...@usna.edu>.
Thank you Josh for starting the discussion and Keith for agreeing :)
Rya had 2 releases as Apache incubator project and we are working on the
third one, each with a different release manager. We added two committers
and PPMC memebers so we are now familiar with the process. I'm not aware of
any IP issues.
I'll look at the graduation guide Josh pointed out and let's see what we
need to do. Updating the status file is on top of that list.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Keith Turner <ke...@deenlo.com> wrote:
> I agree with Josh that its good to start thinking of graduation and
> try to figure out what if anything is impeding that.
>
> Are there any outstanding intellectual property issues w/ copyright,
> trademark, patents, or dependency licenses? How is these release
> process, is it documented and repeatable by multiple members of the
> project? Has the Rya PPMC gone through the process of adding a
> committer?
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hiya,
> >
> > (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity,
> traffic,
> > etc)
> >
> > I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should
> start
> > thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's
> set
> > concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the
> podling
> > to graduation.
> >
> > Thoughts/Opinions?
> >
> > - Josh
> >
> > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
--
Dr. Adina Crainiceanu
Associate Professor
Computer Science Department
United States Naval Academy
410-293-6822
adina@usna.edu
http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/adina/
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation?
Posted by Keith Turner <ke...@deenlo.com>.
I agree with Josh that its good to start thinking of graduation and
try to figure out what if anything is impeding that.
Are there any outstanding intellectual property issues w/ copyright,
trademark, patents, or dependency licenses? How is these release
process, is it documented and repeatable by multiple members of the
project? Has the Rya PPMC gone through the process of adding a
committer?
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Josh Elser <el...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hiya,
>
> (Disclaimer, I have not crunched any numbers yet about diversity, traffic,
> etc)
>
> I was thinking the other day that Rya is "old" enough that we should start
> thinking about graduation[1], and, if we don't think it's ready, let's set
> concrete/actionable goals which people can push towards to get the podling
> to graduation.
>
> Thoughts/Opinions?
>
> - Josh
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html