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have anyone tried empire-DB?
So have you tried it with wicket?
http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
Hehe, yeah more simple..
But I find that with hibernate it's more than just sessions. If you are
using the query api, you'll soon find yourself in trouble if doing
advanced queries and pagination..
marco.behler wrote:
> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting. Besides
> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its infancy.
> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at stuff
> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did Hibernate/iBatis in
> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both have
> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather not
> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in Hibernate's
> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into an
> object database ;)
>
> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>
>
>
> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>
>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>>
>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>>
>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
>>>
>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
>>>
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by dtoffe <dt...@yahoo.com.ar>.
Wayne:
If you come from a stored procedure heavy usage background and still
need to use them, perhaps you can take a look at JPersist. We define two
classes for each SP, one is a pojo that reflects the resultset columns (of
course this assumes no SP will return different columns in different
invocations) and the other is a wrapper for the query or execute operation,
and we do this with a code generator which grabs all the metadata from the
database. No XML, no mappings, nothing !
Of course it all depends on your needs, we had a lot of legacy DBs and
the SP issue was an important one. If you are starting a new project,
perhaps the decision criteria would be different.
Feels free to contact me if you need some samples.
Hope this helps,
Daniel
Wayne Pope wrote:
>
>
> However my original quesiton still stands - any other db frameworks that
> anyone recommends?
>
>
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Wayne Pope <wa...@googlemail.com>.
>seems to me you just dont grasp how the mappings work.
lol yes, I am new to it so lots to grasp. To be fair I did sort out the
mappings to use List after a lot of messing about. I just find things take a
long time to behave correctly in Hibernate, and thus not very productive -
for me it one of the harder frameworks to get up to speed with , especially
as I'm using the annotations and most of the doc/knowledge base is around
the xml form. Perhaps I should switch.
However my original quesiton still stands - any other db frameworks that
anyone recommends?
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
> seems to me you just dont grasp how the mappings work. eg if you use a
> @OneToMany with mappedby and let the other side control the
> association then nothing is automatically inserted or deleted.
> further, even if you do not use mappedby then nothing is deleted
> unless you declare the delete orphan cascade.
>
> the problem here is that List is a specific type of collection where
> each element is uniquely identified by its index. that is just the
> nature of lists and has nothing to do with hibenrate. this generally
> does not map nicely to database collections unless you actually have
> an index column in your table, so lists are rarely used when dealing
> with databases...
>
> i will agree with you as far as hibernate's horrible error reporting,
> but other then that i find it a good tool and do not see many cases
> where the abstraction leaks into actual coding style. some concepts
> are very leaky, such as lazy loading, but that cant really be helped.
>
> -igor
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Wayne Pope
> <wa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > well I'm new to Hibernate, and it seems that you must be extremely
> consious
> > of how hibernate handles mapping etc. This may also be the same with
> other
> > object to relational frameworks. An example is the the behaviour of
> > OneToMany mappings using List as this uses "bag sematics". Hibernate's
> > handling of these relationships is somewhat brute force i.e. it deletes
> > existing entries and re-inserts to match the current collection and
> > therefore you need to use Set's or use collectionid to create an idbag.
> > Therefore straight away I can't use a List (which is all I need) in the
> > code.
> >
> > There seems (to me) many many gotchas with Hibernate that you need to be
> > aware of and the error messages don't tell you much compare to say
> Wicket.
> >
> > I come from a world where we used stored proceedures before and you
> simply
> > provided the straight mapping from the result columns to your pojos. This
> > was very flexible as you could change your pojos with no impact to the db
> > structure and vice-versa we could completly change the db schema (for
> > performance or any reason) with no impact on the code. This seems to work
> > well.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Igor Vaynberg <igor.vaynberg@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> im curious in what way does it influence java code...
> >>
> >> -igor
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Wayne Pope
> >> <wa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently
> >> using
> >> > Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to influence
> >> the
> >> > java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
> >> > carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
> <
> >> > nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> This is interesting:
> >> >>
> >> >> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be
> >> used
> >> >> as an extension of JPA).
> >> >>
> >> >> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> marco.behler wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting.
> >> Besides
> >> >>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
> >> >>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
> >> >>> infancy.
> >> >>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at
> >> stuff
> >> >>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did
> >> Hibernate/iBatis
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again.
> Both
> >> >>> have
> >> >>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would
> rather
> >> not
> >> >>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in
> >> Hibernate's
> >> >>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing
> into
> >> an
> >> >>> object database ;)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for
> simple
> >> >>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes
> very
> >> >>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I
> have
> >> >>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
> >> >>>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
> >> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
> >> >>>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> >> >>>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> -Wicket for love
> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> +45 2936 7684
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
seems to me you just dont grasp how the mappings work. eg if you use a
@OneToMany with mappedby and let the other side control the
association then nothing is automatically inserted or deleted.
further, even if you do not use mappedby then nothing is deleted
unless you declare the delete orphan cascade.
the problem here is that List is a specific type of collection where
each element is uniquely identified by its index. that is just the
nature of lists and has nothing to do with hibenrate. this generally
does not map nicely to database collections unless you actually have
an index column in your table, so lists are rarely used when dealing
with databases...
i will agree with you as far as hibernate's horrible error reporting,
but other then that i find it a good tool and do not see many cases
where the abstraction leaks into actual coding style. some concepts
are very leaky, such as lazy loading, but that cant really be helped.
-igor
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Wayne Pope
<wa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> well I'm new to Hibernate, and it seems that you must be extremely consious
> of how hibernate handles mapping etc. This may also be the same with other
> object to relational frameworks. An example is the the behaviour of
> OneToMany mappings using List as this uses "bag sematics". Hibernate's
> handling of these relationships is somewhat brute force i.e. it deletes
> existing entries and re-inserts to match the current collection and
> therefore you need to use Set's or use collectionid to create an idbag.
> Therefore straight away I can't use a List (which is all I need) in the
> code.
>
> There seems (to me) many many gotchas with Hibernate that you need to be
> aware of and the error messages don't tell you much compare to say Wicket.
>
> I come from a world where we used stored proceedures before and you simply
> provided the straight mapping from the result columns to your pojos. This
> was very flexible as you could change your pojos with no impact to the db
> structure and vice-versa we could completly change the db schema (for
> performance or any reason) with no impact on the code. This seems to work
> well.
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> im curious in what way does it influence java code...
>>
>> -igor
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Wayne Pope
>> <wa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently
>> using
>> > Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to influence
>> the
>> > java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
>> > carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <
>> > nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is interesting:
>> >>
>> >> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be
>> used
>> >> as an extension of JPA).
>> >>
>> >> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> marco.behler wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting.
>> Besides
>> >>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
>> >>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
>> >>> infancy.
>> >>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>> >>>
>> >>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at
>> stuff
>> >>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did
>> Hibernate/iBatis
>> >>> in
>> >>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both
>> >>> have
>> >>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather
>> not
>> >>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in
>> Hibernate's
>> >>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into
>> an
>> >>> object database ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
>> >>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
>> >>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>> >>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
>> >>>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
>> >>>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>> >>>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> -Wicket for love
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nino Martinez Wael
>> >>>>> Java Specialist @ Jayway DK
>> >>>>> http://www.jayway.dk
>> >>>>> +45 2936 7684
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Wayne Pope <wa...@googlemail.com>.
well I'm new to Hibernate, and it seems that you must be extremely consious
of how hibernate handles mapping etc. This may also be the same with other
object to relational frameworks. An example is the the behaviour of
OneToMany mappings using List as this uses "bag sematics". Hibernate's
handling of these relationships is somewhat brute force i.e. it deletes
existing entries and re-inserts to match the current collection and
therefore you need to use Set's or use collectionid to create an idbag.
Therefore straight away I can't use a List (which is all I need) in the
code.
There seems (to me) many many gotchas with Hibernate that you need to be
aware of and the error messages don't tell you much compare to say Wicket.
I come from a world where we used stored proceedures before and you simply
provided the straight mapping from the result columns to your pojos. This
was very flexible as you could change your pojos with no impact to the db
structure and vice-versa we could completly change the db schema (for
performance or any reason) with no impact on the code. This seems to work
well.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>wrote:
> im curious in what way does it influence java code...
>
> -igor
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Wayne Pope
> <wa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently
> using
> > Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to influence
> the
> > java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
> > carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <
> > nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> This is interesting:
> >>
> >> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be
> used
> >> as an extension of JPA).
> >>
> >> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
> >>
> >>
> >> marco.behler wrote:
> >>
> >>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting.
> Besides
> >>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
> >>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
> >>> infancy.
> >>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at
> stuff
> >>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did
> Hibernate/iBatis
> >>> in
> >>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both
> >>> have
> >>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather
> not
> >>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in
> Hibernate's
> >>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into
> an
> >>> object database ;)
> >>>
> >>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
> >>>>
> >>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
> >>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
> >>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
> >>>>
> >>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
> >>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
> >>>>>
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
im curious in what way does it influence java code...
-igor
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Wayne Pope
<wa...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently using
> Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to influence the
> java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
> carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <
> nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
>
>> This is interesting:
>>
>> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be used
>> as an extension of JPA).
>>
>> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
>>
>>
>> marco.behler wrote:
>>
>>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting. Besides
>>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
>>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
>>> infancy.
>>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at stuff
>>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did Hibernate/iBatis
>>> in
>>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both
>>> have
>>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather not
>>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in Hibernate's
>>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into an
>>> object database ;)
>>>
>>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>>>>
>>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
>>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
>>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>>>>
>>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
>>>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
>>>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
>>>>>
>>>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Wicket for love
>>>>>
>>>>> Nino Martinez Wael
>>>>> Java Specialist @ Jayway DK
>>>>> http://www.jayway.dk
>>>>> +45 2936 7684
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
On the otherhand if youre really familiar with SQL and know you will not
switch database, you could go with ibatis... But then again, I find it's
lacking the nice JPA annotations etc.. So you see im still not sure
whats the right way..:)(
Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael wrote:
> Hi Wayne
>
> Im still in reflection mode about Hibernate, Im still a little annoyed
> about some stuff but I believe its because I do not know enough. And
> yes hibernates error reporting is not good by a long shot. If i get
> stuck with hibernate I switch to OpenJPA and get a nicer error message
> fix it and switch back to hibernate...
>
> For now I would say stick with hibernate, and buy the book called
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Java-Persistence-Hibernate-Christian-Bauer/dp/1932394885
>
>
> I havent really looked enough into openjpa etc to say anything about
> these and performance etc...
>
> Wayne Pope wrote:
>> Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently
>> using
>> Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to
>> influence the
>> java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
>> carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <
>> nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This is interesting:
>>>
>>> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be
>>> used
>>> as an extension of JPA).
>>>
>>> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
>>>
>>>
>>> marco.behler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting.
>>>> Besides
>>>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
>>>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
>>>> infancy.
>>>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at
>>>> stuff
>>>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did
>>>> Hibernate/iBatis
>>>> in
>>>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both
>>>> have
>>>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would
>>>> rather not
>>>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in
>>>> Hibernate's
>>>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing
>>>> into an
>>>> object database ;)
>>>>
>>>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>>>>>
>>>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for
>>>>> simple
>>>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes
>>>>> very
>>>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
>>>>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
>>>>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -Wicket for love
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nino Martinez Wael
>>>>>> Java Specialist @ Jayway DK
>>>>>> http://www.jayway.dk
>>>>>> +45 2936 7684
>>>>>>
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
Hi Wayne
Im still in reflection mode about Hibernate, Im still a little annoyed
about some stuff but I believe its because I do not know enough. And yes
hibernates error reporting is not good by a long shot. If i get stuck
with hibernate I switch to OpenJPA and get a nicer error message fix it
and switch back to hibernate...
For now I would say stick with hibernate, and buy the book called
http://www.amazon.com/Java-Persistence-Hibernate-Christian-Bauer/dp/1932394885
I havent really looked enough into openjpa etc to say anything about
these and performance etc...
Wayne Pope wrote:
> Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently using
> Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to influence the
> java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
> carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <
> nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
>
>
>> This is interesting:
>>
>> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be used
>> as an extension of JPA).
>>
>> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
>>
>>
>> marco.behler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting. Besides
>>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
>>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
>>> infancy.
>>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at stuff
>>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did Hibernate/iBatis
>>> in
>>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both
>>> have
>>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather not
>>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in Hibernate's
>>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into an
>>> object database ;)
>>>
>>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>>>>
>>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
>>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
>>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>>>>
>>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
>>>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
>>>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
>>>>>
>>>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Wicket for love
>>>>>
>>>>> Nino Martinez Wael
>>>>> Java Specialist @ Jayway DK
>>>>> http://www.jayway.dk
>>>>> +45 2936 7684
>>>>>
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Wayne Pope <wa...@googlemail.com>.
Nino what do you recommend in terms orf DB framework. We're currently using
Hibernate and I'm personally finding it a pain - it seems to influence the
java code way too much and it create some horrible joins if we're not
carefull. Any suggestions that you've used in the real world?
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <
nino.martinez@jayway.dk> wrote:
> This is interesting:
>
> (JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be used
> as an extension of JPA).
>
> But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
>
>
> marco.behler wrote:
>
>> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting. Besides
>> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
>> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its
>> infancy.
>> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at stuff
>> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did Hibernate/iBatis
>> in
>> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both
>> have
>> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather not
>> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in Hibernate's
>> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into an
>> object database ;)
>>
>> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>>
>>
>>
>> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>>>
>>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
>>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
>>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>>>
>>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
>>>> [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
>>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>>>> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
>>>>
>>>> So have you tried it with wicket?
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/empire-db/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Wicket for love
>>>>
>>>> Nino Martinez Wael
>>>> Java Specialist @ Jayway DK
>>>> http://www.jayway.dk
>>>> +45 2936 7684
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
This is interesting:
(JaQu) Provide API level compatibility with JPA (so that JaQu can be
used as an extension of JPA).
But I think something similar are on its way for JPA 2.0..?
marco.behler wrote:
> I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting. Besides
> JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
> (http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its infancy.
> I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at stuff
> like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did Hibernate/iBatis in
> the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both have
> advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather not
> have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in Hibernate's
> case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into an
> object database ;)
>
> *hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
>
>
>
> Nino.Martinez wrote:
>
>> Yeah seems to be nice...
>>
>> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
>> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
>> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>>
>> Ames, Tim wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
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>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by "marco.behler" <be...@googlemail.com>.
I gave empireDB a quick look a while ago and it looks interesting. Besides
JPersist I also stumbled upon JaQu
(http://www.h2database.com/html/jaqu.html), which is still in its infancy.
I'm sure there's more LINQ-like clones out there.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd really like to have a thorough look at stuff
like db4o or couchDB, especially performance wise. I did Hibernate/iBatis in
the past and am currently working on a project with iBatis again. Both have
advantages and disadvantages and I don't "love" either. I would rather not
have to care about tables, objects,the mighty mismatch (and in Hibernate's
case the mighty session) anymore, but just shove that damn thing into an
object database ;)
*hides from enraged DBAs and their optimised queries*
Nino.Martinez wrote:
>
> Yeah seems to be nice...
>
> At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
> cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
> troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
>
> Ames, Tim wrote:
>> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have
>> been using. No XML, all POJO.
>>
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>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
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Re: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael <ni...@jayway.dk>.
Yeah seems to be nice...
At WUG DK we discussed. That if using stuff like hibernate, for simple
cruds it's nice but if you have a complex object graph it becomes very
troublesome to use (if you use cascade all etc.)..
Ames, Tim wrote:
> Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have been using. No XML, all POJO.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael [mailto:nino.martinez@jayway.dk]
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> Subject: have anyone tried empire-DB?
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RE: have anyone tried empire-DB?
Posted by "Ames, Tim" <Ti...@ProMedica.org>.
Looks like it has a lot in common with JPersist. That is what I have been using. No XML, all POJO.
-----Original Message-----
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