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Posted to fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch> on 2003/01/23 15:59:24 UTC
Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To" and/or "References"
header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the
thread.
On 23.01.2003 15:54:04 Victor Mote wrote:
> If you're using Outlook, there is a checkbox on the "Name" tab of the
> Address Book Properties screen that says "Send E-Mail using plain text only"
> which may help with the text/html issue. The "Mail Options" tab of the Tools
> / Options menu has a more global setting that does the same thing. If there
> are other things about Outlook that are problems, I don't know what they
> are.
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
Yours are ok. You can check yourself for the In-Reply-To header.
On 23.01.2003 19:17:48 Victor Mote wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
>
> > It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To"
> > and/or "References"
> > header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
> > having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the
> > thread.
>
> Hmmm. I use Outlook & it does this for me. Are my emails coming through
> messed up?
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
Jörg and I started a list of good and bad clients near the bottom of the
Wiki page below:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FOPDevelopersStyleGuide
On 23.01.2003 16:02:40 Rhett Aultman wrote:
> Well, I suppose that I can look into changing this up, then...can you
> recommend a client that sends those headers? I don't think the
> web-based client I use does, either, so switching to that one solves
> nothing.
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
I can't remember any. Do you know about gmane (http://www.gmane.org)?
You could try to have the FOP lists registrated there. Other Apache
projects have done the same.
On 23.01.2003 16:42:09 Patrick Dean Rusk wrote:
> For my part, I've never understood why people seem to prefer mailing lists
> to NTTP newsgroups. Has there ever been a discussion about moving to a
> newsgroup?
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Clay Leeds <cl...@medata.com>.
I use Mozilla 1.2.1 and your msgs come through fine for me.
:-)
Victor Mote wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
>
>
>>It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To"
>>and/or "References"
>>header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
>>having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the
>>thread.
>
>
> Hmmm. I use Outlook & it does this for me. Are my emails coming through
> messed up?
>
> Victor Mote
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by "J.Pietschmann" <j3...@yahoo.de>.
Victor Mote wrote:
>>It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To"
>>and/or "References"
>>header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
>>having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the
>>thread.
>
>
> Hmmm. I use Outlook & it does this for me. Are my emails coming through
> messed up?
Some "view source" in Moz reveals a few things.
There is no In-Reply-To nor a References header in Rhett's mail,
but there is
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0
content-class: urn:content-classes:message
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Integration of Peter's work
Thread-Index: AcLC5w8EfopAYM1NRWmF6Xg3Xcc/PQAAvEbg
From Jeremias Mail
In-Reply-To: <04...@carrier.fcciresearch.com>
References: <20...@greenmail.ch> \
<04...@carrier.fcciresearch.com>
X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.06
Peter's mail headers
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030115
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
References: <20...@greenmail.ch>
In-Reply-To: <20...@greenmail.ch>
From Victor:
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
In-Reply-To: <04...@carrier.fcciresearch.com>
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
I guess MS Exchange wants to impose it's own method for threading
on the unsuspecting rest of the world.
Another MUA (or MTA?) which provides only the most basic mail
headers identifies itself as
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
and is rather often seen, unfortunately some prolific posters
on XML-DEV use it. Somehow, however, Mozilla often threads these
messages to the start message of the thread rather than starting
a wholly new one.
Additional mailers which seems to be ok
Both In-Reply-To and References:
X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.6
X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4)
X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572
X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1; nmh 1.0.4+dev; Emacs 21.2
X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8)
X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.6; i586-pc-linux-gnu)
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54/10) Personal
X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.1.1
X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5
User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1
User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 BETA2 build 2577
In-Reply-To but but no References
X-Mailer: <IMail v7.13>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551)
X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0
X-Mailer: EdMax Ver2.32.8F
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6]
X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5
X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V60_M14_08012002NP Release Candidate ...
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002
X-Mailer: MailCity Service
X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.4 (Blindsider)
X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404)
X-Mailer: Opera 6.05 build 1140
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02)
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9
User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106
User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309
User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 BETA2 build 2577
References but no In-Reply-To
X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U)
X-Mailer: SKYRiXgreen_3.1 NGMime_4.2.18
X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange)
User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4
User-Agent: KNode/0.7.1
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
User-Agent: Pan/0.9.7 (Unix)
User-Agent: Xnews/05.08.12
Not ok:
X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28
X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10500
X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.2 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc
X-Mailer: freemail 0.9.8
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.x (up to 5.0.11)
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module
X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.0
X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.41
X-Mailer: Postman 1.12
X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.2.0-3_sol28
Unknown status
X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0
X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32)
X-Mailer: PHP
X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster
User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.61
User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs
User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82
(actually, that's the same as the Yahoo mailer above
Not a real MUA
X-Mailer: org.apache.tools.mail.MailMessage (jakarta.apache.org)
(that's Nicola Ken's patch queue script)
I left out newer versions of working programs.
The cluster of "big names" in the "not ok" section is a bit
dissapointing, isn't it? At least, IMB has finally seen the
light now (Notes 6), and MS already a bit earlier.
J.Pietschmann
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RE: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Victor Mote <vi...@outfitr.com>.
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To"
> and/or "References"
> header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
> having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the
> thread.
Hmmm. I use Outlook & it does this for me. Are my emails coming through
messed up?
Victor Mote
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Martin Stricker <sh...@gmx.de>.
Patrick Dean Rusk wrote:
>
> For my part, I've never understood why people seem to prefer mailing
> lists to NTTP newsgroups. Has there ever been a discussion about
> moving to a newsgroup?
Security and spam are bad with newsgroups. Furthermore, there are no
archives for newsgroups (well, you could see
http://www.groups.google.com/ as such, but I prefer to download a mbox
file and use my favoured mailer (mutt) instead of meddling with a web
interface).
Best regards,
Martin Stricker
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Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Oleg Tkachenko <ol...@multiconn.com>.
Patrick Dean Rusk wrote:
> For my part, I've never understood why people seem to prefer mailing lists
> to NTTP newsgroups. Has there ever been a discussion about moving to a
> newsgroup?
Probably security stuff, old practice and archiving. But anyway, what's wrong
with mail list? Please, no more revolutions :)
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eXperanto team
Multiconn Technologies, Israel
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RE: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
Posted by Patrick Dean Rusk <Pa...@attbi.com>.
For my part, I've never understood why people seem to prefer mailing lists
to NTTP newsgroups. Has there ever been a discussion about moving to a
newsgroup?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:dev.jeremias@greenmail.ch]
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:59 AM
To: fop-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: mail clients (was: Integration of Peter's work)
It's not only about the HTML. It's also about the "In-Reply-To" and/or
"References"
header entry. Some mail clients have a thread view (as a tree) and not
having these header entries involves attaching mails manually to the
thread.
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