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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com> on 2014/09/16 11:08:01 UTC

[DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Hi everyone,

Some of us are in Amsterdam and discussing various things we want to do for the project. I’ve aggregated some of them on a Trello board here: https://trello.com/b/nj8dDBWl/apache-cloudstack-future

Please share your ideas, publicly or private to me; I’ll add them on the board. Our main focus right now is testing, release quality and aligning efforts.

We’re now able to run simulator tests on TravisCI for 4.4 and master branches:
https://travis-ci.org/apache/cloudstack/builds

Some of us are also experimenting with Github pull requests and we already see that it’s encouraging to get TravisCI verify them.

Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +41 779015219 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab

Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services

IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>

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Re: [DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Posted by Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com>.

Nice going guys.  One of the reasons we're using CS at moment is the ease
of deployment (at least with a basic zone).  On the other hand we note that
we need an addon to do things like service catalogs, metering and
charging.  Though the APIs make it possible to develop such portals would
like to see a module in the UI allowing for creation of catalogs and
display of metering output.

Osay

On 18 September 2014 01:02, Fernandez, H.J. <he...@vu.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’ll personally improve monitoring and autoscalability, I believe both
> systems can be adapted to today’s requirements bringing more accurate
> results and user-experience. Inline with this proposal, I’d also address
> the same issues taking into account a new virtualization layer, the LXC
> containers (explicitly with support for Docker or not).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Hector
> Software Engineer
> Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/hector2fernandez<
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/hector2fernandez>
> Twitter:  twitter.com/hectorj2f<http://twitter.com/hectorj2f>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:02 AM, John Kinsella <jlk@stratosec.co<mailto:
> jlk@stratosec.co>> wrote:
>
> I love seeing thoughts/actions around organizing.
>
> but… (Rohit, you keep doing good stuff and I keep popping up to be
> negative, sorry :) )
>
> Can we do this within the ASF infrastructure? Trello is cool (I’ve used it
> internally in the past) but can’t we do this on a Confluence page? This
> allows folks to use existing ASF credentials to be part of the party.  If
> there’s major reasons (usability or otherwise) that we can’t, let us know
> them. I know at least Rohit likes the cool new toys (not meant in a bad
> way) and that ASF usually won’t have the cool new toys (also not meant in a
> bad way) but I think we’ll benefit from building our sand castles within
> the existing sandbox…
>
> That said…
>
> ACS demo appliance - let’s chat on this one, I’ve got the basics in place
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql8eAO9rvQE I’ve been slowly gearing to
> push that to https://github.com/jlk/LiveCloud
>
> “Aim for stable master” gives me a really big :( but I get it.
>
> Under Development column, what’s “ET” ?
>
> VM importer shouldn’t be in development - this needs to be in production
> releases.
>
> Would like to see an expansion on “developer dogfooding” - e.g. develop
> within ACS VMs, or??
>
> Keep running with this - I’d just rather see it happening on existing
> "old-school" technology that Rohit doesn’t like ;)
>
> John
>
> Also, I believe we have a Jira Aglie license, so if we really want to go
> down this path we can create agile/kanban stories/epics and do that whole
> thing.
>
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com<mailto:
> outbackdingo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Some of us would love to contribute, yet don't feel the requirement to
> sign-up for "sites" to simply post their feelings.
> That being said... heres mine.... in public...... remove the "dependency"
> on NFS as primary/secondary.... allow
> for more configurable storage options. Its one of the reasons why we
> dropped cloudstack. That and certain networking
> configuration requirements didn't fit our network topology.
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Mike Tutkowski <
> mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com<ma...@solidfire.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> First: Thanks to Rohit and Daan for working on this.
>
> Next: Definitely feel free to e-mail ideas privately; however, I'd like to
> especially encourage people to make their ideas known publicly, if you feel
> comfortable doing this. Doing it publicly might make it easier for us as a
> community to brainstorm the ideas and play around with taking them in
> different directions.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <ma...@shapeblue.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Some of us are in Amsterdam and discussing various things we want to do
> for the project. I’ve aggregated some of them on a Trello board here:
> https://trello.com/b/nj8dDBWl/apache-cloudstack-future
>
> Please share your ideas, publicly or private to me; I’ll add them on the
> board. Our main focus right now is testing, release quality and aligning
> efforts.
>
> We’re now able to run simulator tests on TravisCI for 4.4 and master
> branches:
> https://travis-ci.org/apache/cloudstack/builds
>
> Some of us are also experimenting with Github pull requests and we
> already
> see that it’s encouraging to get TravisCI verify them.
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +41 779015219 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<mailto:
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com>
> Blog: bhaisaab.org<http://bhaisaab.org> | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
> or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not
> the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the
> sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is
> a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape
> Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
> Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd
> is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
>
>
>
> --
> *Mike Tutkowski*
> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com<ma...@solidfire.com>
> o: 303.746.7302
> Advancing the way the world uses the cloud
> <http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™*
>
>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Posted by Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com>.

Nice going guys.  One of the reasons we're using CS at moment is the ease
of deployment (at least with a basic zone).  On the other hand we note that
we need an addon to do things like service catalogs, metering and
charging.  Though the APIs make it possible to develop such portals would
like to see a module in the UI allowing for creation of catalogs and
display of metering output.

Osay

On 18 September 2014 01:02, Fernandez, H.J. <he...@vu.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’ll personally improve monitoring and autoscalability, I believe both
> systems can be adapted to today’s requirements bringing more accurate
> results and user-experience. Inline with this proposal, I’d also address
> the same issues taking into account a new virtualization layer, the LXC
> containers (explicitly with support for Docker or not).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Hector
> Software Engineer
> Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/hector2fernandez<
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/hector2fernandez>
> Twitter:  twitter.com/hectorj2f<http://twitter.com/hectorj2f>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:02 AM, John Kinsella <jlk@stratosec.co<mailto:
> jlk@stratosec.co>> wrote:
>
> I love seeing thoughts/actions around organizing.
>
> but… (Rohit, you keep doing good stuff and I keep popping up to be
> negative, sorry :) )
>
> Can we do this within the ASF infrastructure? Trello is cool (I’ve used it
> internally in the past) but can’t we do this on a Confluence page? This
> allows folks to use existing ASF credentials to be part of the party.  If
> there’s major reasons (usability or otherwise) that we can’t, let us know
> them. I know at least Rohit likes the cool new toys (not meant in a bad
> way) and that ASF usually won’t have the cool new toys (also not meant in a
> bad way) but I think we’ll benefit from building our sand castles within
> the existing sandbox…
>
> That said…
>
> ACS demo appliance - let’s chat on this one, I’ve got the basics in place
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql8eAO9rvQE I’ve been slowly gearing to
> push that to https://github.com/jlk/LiveCloud
>
> “Aim for stable master” gives me a really big :( but I get it.
>
> Under Development column, what’s “ET” ?
>
> VM importer shouldn’t be in development - this needs to be in production
> releases.
>
> Would like to see an expansion on “developer dogfooding” - e.g. develop
> within ACS VMs, or??
>
> Keep running with this - I’d just rather see it happening on existing
> "old-school" technology that Rohit doesn’t like ;)
>
> John
>
> Also, I believe we have a Jira Aglie license, so if we really want to go
> down this path we can create agile/kanban stories/epics and do that whole
> thing.
>
> On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Outback Dingo <outbackdingo@gmail.com<mailto:
> outbackdingo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Some of us would love to contribute, yet don't feel the requirement to
> sign-up for "sites" to simply post their feelings.
> That being said... heres mine.... in public...... remove the "dependency"
> on NFS as primary/secondary.... allow
> for more configurable storage options. Its one of the reasons why we
> dropped cloudstack. That and certain networking
> configuration requirements didn't fit our network topology.
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Mike Tutkowski <
> mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com<ma...@solidfire.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> First: Thanks to Rohit and Daan for working on this.
>
> Next: Definitely feel free to e-mail ideas privately; however, I'd like to
> especially encourage people to make their ideas known publicly, if you feel
> comfortable doing this. Doing it publicly might make it easier for us as a
> community to brainstorm the ideas and play around with taking them in
> different directions.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Rohit Yadav <rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
> <ma...@shapeblue.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Some of us are in Amsterdam and discussing various things we want to do
> for the project. I’ve aggregated some of them on a Trello board here:
> https://trello.com/b/nj8dDBWl/apache-cloudstack-future
>
> Please share your ideas, publicly or private to me; I’ll add them on the
> board. Our main focus right now is testing, release quality and aligning
> efforts.
>
> We’re now able to run simulator tests on TravisCI for 4.4 and master
> branches:
> https://travis-ci.org/apache/cloudstack/builds
>
> Some of us are also experimenting with Github pull requests and we
> already
> see that it’s encouraging to get TravisCI verify them.
>
> Regards,
> Rohit Yadav
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> M. +41 779015219 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<mailto:
> rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com>
> Blog: bhaisaab.org<http://bhaisaab.org> | Twitter: @_bhaisaab
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
> or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not
> the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the
> sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is
> a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape
> Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
> Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd
> is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
>
>
>
> --
> *Mike Tutkowski*
> *Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
> e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com<ma...@solidfire.com>
> o: 303.746.7302
> Advancing the way the world uses the cloud
> <http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™*
>
>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Posted by "Fernandez, H.J." <he...@vu.nl>.

Hi all,

I’ll personally improve monitoring and autoscalability, I believe both systems can be adapted to today’s requirements bringing more accurate results and user-experience. Inline with this proposal, I’d also address the same issues taking into account a new virtualization layer, the LXC containers (explicitly with support for Docker or not).

Thanks.

Hector
Software Engineer
Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/hector2fernandez<https://www.linkedin.com/in/hector2fernandez>
Twitter: twitter.com/hectorj2f<http://twitter.com/hectorj2f>

On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:02 AM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>> wrote:

I love seeing thoughts/actions around organizing.

but… (Rohit, you keep doing good stuff and I keep popping up to be negative, sorry :) )

Can we do this within the ASF infrastructure? Trello is cool (I’ve used it internally in the past) but can’t we do this on a Confluence page? This allows folks to use existing ASF credentials to be part of the party. If there’s major reasons (usability or otherwise) that we can’t, let us know them. I know at least Rohit likes the cool new toys (not meant in a bad way) and that ASF usually won’t have the cool new toys (also not meant in a bad way) but I think we’ll benefit from building our sand castles within the existing sandbox…

That said…

ACS demo appliance - let’s chat on this one, I’ve got the basics in place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql8eAO9rvQE I’ve been slowly gearing to push that to https://github.com/jlk/LiveCloud

“Aim for stable master” gives me a really big :( but I get it.

Under Development column, what’s “ET” ?

VM importer shouldn’t be in development - this needs to be in production releases.

Would like to see an expansion on “developer dogfooding” - e.g. develop within ACS VMs, or??

Keep running with this - I’d just rather see it happening on existing "old-school" technology that Rohit doesn’t like ;)

John

Also, I believe we have a Jira Aglie license, so if we really want to go down this path we can create agile/kanban stories/epics and do that whole thing.

On Sep 16, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Outback Dingo <ou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Some of us would love to contribute, yet don't feel the requirement to
sign-up for "sites" to simply post their feelings.
That being said... heres mine.... in public...... remove the "dependency"
on NFS as primary/secondary.... allow
for more configurable storage options. Its one of the reasons why we
dropped cloudstack. That and certain networking
configuration requirements didn't fit our network topology.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Mike Tutkowski <
mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com<ma...@solidfire.com>> wrote:

Hi everyone,

First: Thanks to Rohit and Daan for working on this.

Next: Definitely feel free to e-mail ideas privately; however, I'd like to
especially encourage people to make their ideas known publicly, if you feel
comfortable doing this. Doing it publicly might make it easier for us as a
community to brainstorm the ideas and play around with taking them in
different directions.

Thanks!
Mike

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

Some of us are in Amsterdam and discussing various things we want to do
for the project. I’ve aggregated some of them on a Trello board here:
https://trello.com/b/nj8dDBWl/apache-cloudstack-future

Please share your ideas, publicly or private to me; I’ll add them on the
board. Our main focus right now is testing, release quality and aligning
efforts.

We’re now able to run simulator tests on TravisCI for 4.4 and master
branches:
https://travis-ci.org/apache/cloudstack/builds

Some of us are also experimenting with Github pull requests and we
already
see that it’s encouraging to get TravisCI verify them.

Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +41 779015219 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com>
Blog: bhaisaab.org<http://bhaisaab.org> | Twitter: @_bhaisaab

Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
services

IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>

This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views
or
opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not
the
intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the
sender
if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is
a
company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape
Blue
Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in
Brasil
and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd
is
a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.

--
*Mike Tutkowski*
*Senior CloudStack Developer, SolidFire Inc.*
e: mike.tutkowski@solidfire.com<ma...@solidfire.com>
o: 303.746.7302
Advancing the way the world uses the cloud
<http://solidfire.com/solution/overview/?video=play>*™*

Re: [DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Posted by John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>.

Ah, from that POV. Gotchya. I think also making it easier to develop the UI would help. Feels like a big black box to me, and probably to others…


On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

So, most of the developers of CloudStack don’t use it as a user. If we dogfood, we make try to make it more user friendly and improve its UX over time.

Re: [DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Posted by John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>.

Ah, from that POV. Gotchya. I think also making it easier to develop the UI would help. Feels like a big black box to me, and probably to others…


On Sep 16, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

So, most of the developers of CloudStack don’t use it as a user. If we dogfood, we make try to make it more user friendly and improve its UX over time.

Re: [DISCUSS] CloudStack Future

Posted by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>.

On 17-Sep-2014, at 7:02 am, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
> I love seeing thoughts/actions around organizing.
>
> but… (Rohit, you keep doing good stuff and I keep popping up to be negative, sorry :) )
>
> Can we do this within the ASF infrastructure? Trello is cool (I’ve used it internally in the past) but can’t we do this on a Confluence page? This allows folks to use existing ASF credentials to be part of the party.  If there’s major reasons (usability or otherwise) that we can’t, let us know them. I know at least Rohit likes the cool new toys (not meant in a bad way) and that ASF usually won’t have the cool new toys (also not meant in a bad way) but I think we’ll benefit from building our sand castles within the existing sandbox…

You’re funny John :) This is my personal board that is just public with list of things that I *personally* want in CloudStack.

> “Aim for stable master” gives me a really big :( but I get it.
>
> Under Development column, what’s “ET” ?

Emerging technologies.

> VM importer shouldn’t be in development - this needs to be in production releases.

Development -> things we should be developing.

> Would like to see an expansion on “developer dogfooding” - e.g. develop within ACS VMs, or??

So, most of the developers of CloudStack don’t use it as a user. If we dogfood, we make try to make it more user friendly and improve its UX over time.

Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
M. +41 779015219 | rohit.yadav@shapeblue.com
Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab

Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services

IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>

This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.