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[Math] Technical objection (Was: [math] [POLL] new TLP name)
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:06:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
> Please select your top choice among the following suggested names
> for the new [math]-based TLP. All are welcome and encouraged to
> respond. This POLL will be open for 72 hours, at which time two
> tallies will be presented: one among those who have volunteered for
> the new PMC and a second among all respondents. Hopefully, one name
> will emerge as consensus winner. If not, I will kick off another
> runoff poll among the top choices. Please respond with your top
> choice for the name.
>
> AjaMa
> Epsilon
> Erdos
> Euclid
> Euler
> Gauss
> JAML
This choice:
> Math
can potentially lead to legal and/or technical problems:
* name of the JAR will basically be "math.jar", easily clashing
with local toolboxes (also named without much imagination)
* name of the project will obviously be impossible to protect
> MathBlocks
> MathComponents (or Math Components)
> Mathelactica
> MathModules
> Megginson
> modMath
> Nash
> Newton
> Pythagoras
The second objection of course holds for many names in the list.
We'd better follow Bertrand's suggestion.
Gilles
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Re: [Math] Technical objection (Was: [math] [POLL] new TLP name)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 2 February 2016 at 13:39, Gilles <gi...@harfang.homelinux.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:53:53 +0000, sebb wrote:
>>
>> On 2 February 2016 at 12:11, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2016-02-02 12:43, Gilles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:06:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please select your top choice among the following suggested names
>>>>> for the new [math]-based TLP. All are welcome and encouraged to
>>>>> respond. This POLL will be open for 72 hours, at which time two
>>>>> tallies will be presented: one among those who have volunteered for
>>>>> the new PMC and a second among all respondents. Hopefully, one name
>>>>> will emerge as consensus winner. If not, I will kick off another
>>>>> runoff poll among the top choices. Please respond with your top
>>>>> choice for the name.
>>>>>
>>>>> AjaMa
>>>>> Epsilon
>>>>> Erdos
>>>>> Euclid
>>>>> Euler
>>>>> Gauss
>>>>> JAML
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This choice:
>>>>
>>>>> Math
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> can potentially lead to legal and/or technical problems:
>>>> * name of the JAR will basically be "math.jar", easily clashing
>>>> with local toolboxes (also named without much imagination)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> apache-math-x.y.z.jar
>
>
> Just, this is not the current naming:
> "bare" name -> bare.jar
Depends on the project.
Abdera, ACE, Ambari all use apache- prefixes, as do many others.
Others don't.
>>>
>>> will fix the name clashing trivially.
>>>
>>>
>>>> * name of the project will obviously be impossible to protect
>>
>>
>> The name of the project will be
>>
>> Apache Math
>>
>> which *is* protectable.
>
>
> Then if unique names or acronyms that are easy to identify are no
> valuable arguments, we could have had
>
> ASL
Possibly; that would depend on the outcome of a name search.
>
> It's shorter than "Math", if that is really what people like in it
> (since no other good points were made AFAICT).
>
>> This is no different from many other ASF projects which use common
>> names that already have meanings.
>>
>> There are very few ASF projects whose bare names are protectable/protected
>
>
> Is it a good reason to add another one?
>
> Having a not already used and not likely to be used name can prevent time
> wasted later in trying to enforce the protection.
That's not the only work that would need to be done.
I agree it would be easier to enforce the name if it is sufficiently unique.
But enforcement is only a part of the workload - the project must
spend time checking whether there are misuses of the name.
That work is not necessary if the name is only used in conjunction
with the Apache prefix.
>
> Gilles
>
>
>>>>
>>>>> MathBlocks
>>>>> MathComponents (or Math Components)
>>>>> Mathelactica
>>>>> MathModules
>>>>> Megginson
>>>>> modMath
>>>>> Nash
>>>>> Newton
>>>>> Pythagoras
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The second objection of course holds for many names in the list.
>>>> We'd better follow Bertrand's suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gilles
>
>
>
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Re: [Math] Technical objection (Was: [math] [POLL] new TLP name)
Posted by Gilles <gi...@harfang.homelinux.org>.
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:53:53 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 2 February 2016 at 12:11, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
>> On 2016-02-02 12:43, Gilles wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:06:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please select your top choice among the following suggested names
>>>> for the new [math]-based TLP. All are welcome and encouraged to
>>>> respond. This POLL will be open for 72 hours, at which time two
>>>> tallies will be presented: one among those who have volunteered
>>>> for
>>>> the new PMC and a second among all respondents. Hopefully, one
>>>> name
>>>> will emerge as consensus winner. If not, I will kick off another
>>>> runoff poll among the top choices. Please respond with your top
>>>> choice for the name.
>>>>
>>>> AjaMa
>>>> Epsilon
>>>> Erdos
>>>> Euclid
>>>> Euler
>>>> Gauss
>>>> JAML
>>>
>>>
>>> This choice:
>>>
>>>> Math
>>>
>>>
>>> can potentially lead to legal and/or technical problems:
>>> * name of the JAR will basically be "math.jar", easily clashing
>>> with local toolboxes (also named without much imagination)
>>
>>
>> apache-math-x.y.z.jar
Just, this is not the current naming:
"bare" name -> bare.jar
>>
>> will fix the name clashing trivially.
>>
>>
>>> * name of the project will obviously be impossible to protect
>
> The name of the project will be
>
> Apache Math
>
> which *is* protectable.
Then if unique names or acronyms that are easy to identify are no
valuable arguments, we could have had
ASL
It's shorter than "Math", if that is really what people like in it
(since no other good points were made AFAICT).
> This is no different from many other ASF projects which use common
> names that already have meanings.
>
> There are very few ASF projects whose bare names are
> protectable/protected
Is it a good reason to add another one?
Having a not already used and not likely to be used name can prevent
time
wasted later in trying to enforce the protection.
Gilles
>>>
>>>> MathBlocks
>>>> MathComponents (or Math Components)
>>>> Mathelactica
>>>> MathModules
>>>> Megginson
>>>> modMath
>>>> Nash
>>>> Newton
>>>> Pythagoras
>>>
>>>
>>> The second objection of course holds for many names in the list.
>>> We'd better follow Bertrand's suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gilles
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Re: [Math] Technical objection (Was: [math] [POLL] new TLP name)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 2 February 2016 at 12:11, Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu> wrote:
> On 2016-02-02 12:43, Gilles wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:06:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>
>>> Please select your top choice among the following suggested names
>>> for the new [math]-based TLP. All are welcome and encouraged to
>>> respond. This POLL will be open for 72 hours, at which time two
>>> tallies will be presented: one among those who have volunteered for
>>> the new PMC and a second among all respondents. Hopefully, one name
>>> will emerge as consensus winner. If not, I will kick off another
>>> runoff poll among the top choices. Please respond with your top
>>> choice for the name.
>>>
>>> AjaMa
>>> Epsilon
>>> Erdos
>>> Euclid
>>> Euler
>>> Gauss
>>> JAML
>>
>>
>> This choice:
>>
>>> Math
>>
>>
>> can potentially lead to legal and/or technical problems:
>> * name of the JAR will basically be "math.jar", easily clashing
>> with local toolboxes (also named without much imagination)
>
>
> apache-math-x.y.z.jar
>
> will fix the name clashing trivially.
>
>
>> * name of the project will obviously be impossible to protect
The name of the project will be
Apache Math
which *is* protectable.
This is no different from many other ASF projects which use common
names that already have meanings.
There are very few ASF projects whose bare names are protectable/protected
>>
>>> MathBlocks
>>> MathComponents (or Math Components)
>>> Mathelactica
>>> MathModules
>>> Megginson
>>> modMath
>>> Nash
>>> Newton
>>> Pythagoras
>>
>>
>> The second objection of course holds for many names in the list.
>> We'd better follow Bertrand's suggestion.
>>
>>
>> Gilles
>>
>>
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Re: [Math] Technical objection (Was: [math] [POLL] new TLP name)
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
On 2016-02-02 12:43, Gilles wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:06:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> Please select your top choice among the following suggested names
>> for the new [math]-based TLP. All are welcome and encouraged to
>> respond. This POLL will be open for 72 hours, at which time two
>> tallies will be presented: one among those who have volunteered for
>> the new PMC and a second among all respondents. Hopefully, one name
>> will emerge as consensus winner. If not, I will kick off another
>> runoff poll among the top choices. Please respond with your top
>> choice for the name.
>>
>> AjaMa
>> Epsilon
>> Erdos
>> Euclid
>> Euler
>> Gauss
>> JAML
>
> This choice:
>
>> Math
>
> can potentially lead to legal and/or technical problems:
> * name of the JAR will basically be "math.jar", easily clashing
> with local toolboxes (also named without much imagination)
apache-math-x.y.z.jar
will fix the name clashing trivially.
> * name of the project will obviously be impossible to protect
>
>> MathBlocks
>> MathComponents (or Math Components)
>> Mathelactica
>> MathModules
>> Megginson
>> modMath
>> Nash
>> Newton
>> Pythagoras
>
> The second objection of course holds for many names in the list.
> We'd better follow Bertrand's suggestion.
>
>
> Gilles
>
>
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