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[zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Hi,
I'm about to start a little online survey to check out how users in the
PHP world would love to see their favorite libraries being released.
I'll mainly do this out of private interest, but it might also help us
to optimize our release process.
Find below some questions for discussion. Whenever there is no
additional info, only a single answer may be chosen.
1. Which libraries / frameworks do you use?
(multiple answers possible)
- ADOdb
- Apache Zeta Components
- Cake PHP
- CodeIgniter
- Doctrine 1
- Doctrine 2
- eZ Components
- Horde
- PEAR
- Propel
- Seagull
- Symfony
- Zend Framework
- Another framework / library (free text)
- I code everything on my own
2. What is your preferred way of installing PHP libraries?
- PEAR
- Custom installer
- Manual download
- OS based package management
- Version control (SVN external, Git sub-module, etc.)
- Something else (free Text)
3. Do you prefer bundles over single component installs?
- I want to install each component separately
- I want a bundle with all components from a library
4. How would you expect a PHP library project to do releases?
- Irregularly whenever something is ready
- Regularly with multiple additions bundled
5. How do you want to deploy PHP library components?
- I bundle library components with my application
- I deploy libraries and application separately
Do you have anything to add / change?
I plan to use a Twtsurvey [1] for this or do you know anything better?
Regards,
Toby
[1] http://twtsurvey.com/
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Re: [zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
Hi Max,
On 11/27/2010 11:57 PM, Maxime Thomas wrote:
> Excellent idea.
>
> We can also ask :
> - the job of the person answering : system admin / webmaster / not IT
> - the platform : Unix / Linux systems or Windows
> - the level of industrialization : tailor made platform (you have every
> things installed as you want), shared platform (the web hosting company has
> decided for you you what you can do or not), generic platform (you grouped
> some of your application and factorize software layers : using PEAR, Zend or
> whatever).
sounds like basically a good idea to me. However, it becomes a "real"
survey then, no more a "small" one. Interpreting it will become harder
and I'm not sure if Twtsurvey supports this in its free variant.
> I think we have to segment the survey's answer because some will use it in
> one way and other in the other way.
>
> Will you publish the results of the survey ?
Of course. I planned to make the survey public anyway, so everyone can
grab the data. And of course I will blog about the results.
Regards,
Toby
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Re: [zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Maxime Thomas <ma...@gmail.com>.
2010/11/27 Jerome Renard <je...@gmail.com>
> Hi Tobias,
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm about to start a little online survey to check out how users in the
> > PHP world would love to see their favorite libraries being released.
> > I'll mainly do this out of private interest, but it might also help us
> > to optimize our release process.
> >
>
> Excellent idea :)
>
> > Find below some questions for discussion. Whenever there is no
> > additional info, only a single answer may be chosen.
> >
> > 1. Which libraries / frameworks do you use?
> >
> > (multiple answers possible)
> >
> >
> > - ADOdb
> > - Apache Zeta Components
> > - Cake PHP
> > - CodeIgniter
> > - Doctrine 1
> > - Doctrine 2
> > - eZ Components
> > - Horde
> > - PEAR
> > - Propel
> > - Seagull
> > - Symfony
> > - Zend Framework
> > - Another framework / library (free text)
> > - I code everything on my own
> >
> > 2. What is your preferred way of installing PHP libraries?
> >
> > - PEAR
> > - Custom installer
> > - Manual download
> > - OS based package management
>
> I would just add something like (apt-get, yum, rpm), just to avoid any
> confusion
> from beginner users.
>
> > - Version control (SVN external, Git sub-module, etc.)
> > - Something else (free Text)
> >
> > 3. Do you prefer bundles over single component installs?
> >
> > - I want to install each component separately
> > - I want a bundle with all components from a library
> >
> > 4. How would you expect a PHP library project to do releases?
> >
> > - Irregularly whenever something is ready
> > - Regularly with multiple additions bundled
> >
> > 5. How do you want to deploy PHP library components?
> >
> > - I bundle library components with my application
> > - I deploy libraries and application separately
> >
> > Do you have anything to add / change?
> >
>
> Even though I think it looks really good, would you think relevant
> to add a question about depedency ? For example framework
> needs external dependency X or Y.
>
> How do they prefer installing this dependency ?
> Possible options:
> - via PEAR
> - I want to get it bundled with the framework
> - I want to install it manually
>
> Not sure I am completely clear here. If it's not just tell me :)
>
> --
> Jérôme Renard
> http://39web.fr | http://jrenard.info | http://twitter.com/jeromerenard
>
Excellent idea.
We can also ask :
- the job of the person answering : system admin / webmaster / not IT
- the platform : Unix / Linux systems or Windows
- the level of industrialization : tailor made platform (you have every
things installed as you want), shared platform (the web hosting company has
decided for you you what you can do or not), generic platform (you grouped
some of your application and factorize software layers : using PEAR, Zend or
whatever).
I think we have to segment the survey's answer because some will use it in
one way and other in the other way.
Will you publish the results of the survey ?
Maxime
maxime.thomas@wascou.org | www.wascou.org | http://twitter.com/wascou
Re: [zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
Hi Jerome,
On 11/27/2010 09:08 PM, Jerome Renard wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
<snip />
>> 2. What is your preferred way of installing PHP libraries?
>>
>> - PEAR
>> - Custom installer
>> - Manual download
>> - OS based package management
> I would just add something like (apt-get, yum, rpm), just to avoid any confusion
> from beginner users.
Yup, good idea.
<snip />
>> 5. How do you want to deploy PHP library components?
>>
>> - I bundle library components with my application
>> - I deploy libraries and application separately
>>
>> Do you have anything to add / change?
>>
> Even though I think it looks really good, would you think relevant
> to add a question about depedency ? For example framework
> needs external dependency X or Y.
>
> How do they prefer installing this dependency ?
> Possible options:
> - via PEAR
> - I want to get it bundled with the framework
> - I want to install it manually
>
> Not sure I am completely clear here. If it's not just tell me :)
Hmm, I think this is already implied by the installation way. People
don't want to care about dependencies by default, I guess? Or did I get
you wrong?
Regards,
Toby
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Re: [zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Jerome Renard <je...@gmail.com>.
Hi Tobias,
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm about to start a little online survey to check out how users in the
> PHP world would love to see their favorite libraries being released.
> I'll mainly do this out of private interest, but it might also help us
> to optimize our release process.
>
Excellent idea :)
> Find below some questions for discussion. Whenever there is no
> additional info, only a single answer may be chosen.
>
> 1. Which libraries / frameworks do you use?
>
> (multiple answers possible)
>
>
> - ADOdb
> - Apache Zeta Components
> - Cake PHP
> - CodeIgniter
> - Doctrine 1
> - Doctrine 2
> - eZ Components
> - Horde
> - PEAR
> - Propel
> - Seagull
> - Symfony
> - Zend Framework
> - Another framework / library (free text)
> - I code everything on my own
>
> 2. What is your preferred way of installing PHP libraries?
>
> - PEAR
> - Custom installer
> - Manual download
> - OS based package management
I would just add something like (apt-get, yum, rpm), just to avoid any confusion
from beginner users.
> - Version control (SVN external, Git sub-module, etc.)
> - Something else (free Text)
>
> 3. Do you prefer bundles over single component installs?
>
> - I want to install each component separately
> - I want a bundle with all components from a library
>
> 4. How would you expect a PHP library project to do releases?
>
> - Irregularly whenever something is ready
> - Regularly with multiple additions bundled
>
> 5. How do you want to deploy PHP library components?
>
> - I bundle library components with my application
> - I deploy libraries and application separately
>
> Do you have anything to add / change?
>
Even though I think it looks really good, would you think relevant
to add a question about depedency ? For example framework
needs external dependency X or Y.
How do they prefer installing this dependency ?
Possible options:
- via PEAR
- I want to get it bundled with the framework
- I want to install it manually
Not sure I am completely clear here. If it's not just tell me :)
--
Jérôme Renard
http://39web.fr | http://jrenard.info | http://twitter.com/jeromerenard
Re: [zeta-dev] Online: Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Maxime Thomas <ma...@gmail.com>.
I've done the same :
http://www.wascou.org/eng/Company/Blog/PHP-Survey-Please-fill-in
<http://www.wascou.org/eng/Company/Blog/PHP-Survey-Please-fill-in>Max
2010/12/2 Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>
> Hi Jerome,
>
> On 12/02/2010 11:21 AM, Jerome Renard wrote:
>
> > I added a blog entry here (mostly a copy and paste version of your post)
> :
> > - http://jrenard.info/blog/php-library-release-survey.html
>
> cool, thx. :)
>
> I wonder why I did not receive a trackback. Doesn't your blog send out
> trackbacks?
>
> Regards,
> Tiby
>
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Re: [zeta-dev] Online: Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
Hi Jerome,
On 12/02/2010 11:21 AM, Jerome Renard wrote:
> I added a blog entry here (mostly a copy and paste version of your post) :
> - http://jrenard.info/blog/php-library-release-survey.html
cool, thx. :)
I wonder why I did not receive a trackback. Doesn't your blog send out
trackbacks?
Regards,
Tiby
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Re: [zeta-dev] Online: Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Jerome Renard <je...@gmail.com>.
Hi Tobias,
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as already mentioned yesterday, the survey is now online. If you want to
> link it, please use
>
> http://bit.ly/phplibrelsur
>
> or link to my blog entry about it, which can be found at
>
> http://schlitt.info/opensource/blog/0738_php_library_release_survey.html
>
I added a blog entry here (mostly a copy and paste version of your post) :
- http://jrenard.info/blog/php-library-release-survey.html
Cheers :)
--
Jérôme Renard
http://39web.fr | http://jrenard.info | http://twitter.com/jeromerenard
[zeta-dev] Online: Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
Hi,
as already mentioned yesterday, the survey is now online. If you want to
link it, please use
http://bit.ly/phplibrelsur
or link to my blog entry about it, which can be found at
http://schlitt.info/opensource/blog/0738_php_library_release_survey.html
I will take down the survey in 2 weeks and publish its raw results on my
website. Some statistical analysis will then follow in January, if it
makes sense.
Cheers,
Toby
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Re: [zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Jerome Renard <je...@gmail.com>.
Hi Tobias,
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> you can find the survey under
>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/gform?key=tLcGit0fRn5vovDpGSpFOag
>
Looks good to me :)
--
Jérôme Renard
http://39web.fr | http://jrenard.info | http://twitter.com/jeromerenard
Re: [zeta-dev] Survey on PHP library release modes
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
Hi,
you can find the survey under
https://spreadsheets.google.com/gform?key=tLcGit0fRn5vovDpGSpFOag
I'll publish a blog entry on my site about it tomorrow morning. Please
keep it in private until then and do not submit the form.
Any further feedback that must be incorporated?
Regards,
Toby
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