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Posted to server-dev@james.apache.org by Irv Salisbury <ir...@gmail.com> on 2005/06/22 06:26:57 UTC
Embedding James in an application
We have a need to embed mail like functionality inside our
application. We don't need the SMTP and POP3 portions of a mail
server. We need the concept of an inbox, trash, different users,
mailing "lists", etc. Does this seem like a fit for James?
Also, can you use James in an "embedded mode" where it doesn't have
the transports, but is simply called from Java?
I hope to be able to give back anything we develop. Our application
is cocoon based, so if this works out, we will be writing a James
transformer that works with XML commands and returns XML messages.
So, I guess another question is, has anyone already done this? (Don't
need to reinvent the wheel)
Any other suggestions or places to look would be appreciated. I am
sure if this passes the "smell" test I'll be asking a lot more
questions.
Thanks,
Irv
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Re: Embedding James in an application
Posted by Irv Salisbury <ir...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the info. I don't really want to use IMAP either. I
really need it to be just embedded, where I call the Java apis and it
talks directly to the database. I just need the structure of the
folders, users, etc. Does it still sound plausible?
Irv
On 6/22/05, Danny Angus <Da...@slc.co.uk> wrote:
> Irv
>
> > We don't need the SMTP and POP3 portions of a mail
> > server. We need the concept of an inbox, trash, different users,
> > mailing "lists", etc. Does this seem like a fit for James?
>
> Sounds like James with IMAP is what you need.
> Sadly IMAP is still under development, but we're hoping a google funded
> student will help us to increase the momentum.
>
> > Also, can you use James in an "embedded mode" where it doesn't have
> > the transports, but is simply called from Java?
>
> Yes and no, it is highly likely that James would be able to meet your
> requirement without being fully embedded (i.e. running in the same jvm)
>
> > I hope to be able to give back anything we develop. Our application
> > is cocoon based, so if this works out, we will be writing a James
> > transformer that works with XML commands and returns XML messages.
>
> Cool.
>
> > So, I guess another question is, has anyone already done this? (Don't
> > need to reinvent the wheel)
>
> theres the idea of a cocoon mailet posted here
> http://wiki.apache.org/james/MailetIdeas
>
> and Nicola discussed james/cocoon with us a year or two ago.
>
> d.
>
>
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RE: IMAP for James: offering help to development
Posted by Jason Webb <jw...@inovem.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Chirizzi [mailto:antonio@chirizzi.com]
> Sent: 25 June 2005 18:32
> To: James Developers List
> Subject: Re: IMAP for James: offering help to development
>
> Jason,
>
> I checked out all the sources from the link.
> I can see two directories named "imap" and "imap2", and, only in "imap",
> there are 3 files documenting the current state of IMAP for James.
> Are the information contained in
> imap-dev/proposals/imap/wwwstatusIMAPserver.html up to date?
Don't know. I assume not.
> Why are there two directories named "imap" and "imap2" ? Maybe one is the
> old one and imap2 is a new rewriting?
IMAP2 is the protocol stack I am working from. It is a fairly complete
implementation of IMAP4v1 using in memory stores. The IMAP proposal is now
quite old.
> Are there any other information on the state of IMAP for James apart the
> ones I can find in the sources themselves?
Sorry, but you are correct. There is only the source. I normally ignore most
the IMAP stack except for the ImapHost and its implementation as this is
where the most works needs to be done.
I hope to be able to commit some of my IMAP work soon. This will only be the
repository side. You will not be able "select" mailboxes yet, therefore you
will not be able to view their contents. I currently need to fix the
subscribe/unsubscribe code.
My plan is as follows:
* Fix subs/unsubs
* Test mailbox delete & rename
* Map ImapMessages onto mail objects (this is quite tricky)
* At this point we will have a crudely functional IMAP system. This will be
my Alpha 1 release
* Fix any issues I know I have broken or I know need fixing (there are a few
of these)
* Add in/correct database support
* Alpha 2 release
After that we shall see
>
> -Antonio
>
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Jason Webb [mailto:jw@inovem.com]
> Inviato: giovedi 23 giugno 2005 11.44
> A: 'James Developers List'
> Oggetto: RE: IMAP for James: offering help to development
>
>
> Apologies, Antonio.
> I had intended to respond to your previous email but I'm a bit busy at the
> moment.
> The IMAP dev branch is at
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/james/server/branches/imap-dev
>
> The main piece of work still to is to map & adapt the current James
> repository system onto the IMAP server. I'm doing this at the moment but
> it
> is slow going.
>
> To help on the IMAP stuff you will need a good understanding of how James
> hangs together, including how mail repositories work, where users live etc
>
> There is a Google summer of code project to add SEARCH to the IMAP server
> as
> this is a complex but distinct piece of work.
>
> -- Jason
>
>
>
>
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Re: IMAP for James: offering help to development
Posted by Antonio Chirizzi <an...@chirizzi.com>.
Jason,
I checked out all the sources from the link.
I can see two directories named "imap" and "imap2", and, only in "imap",
there are 3 files documenting the current state of IMAP for James.
Are the information contained in
imap-dev/proposals/imap/wwwstatusIMAPserver.html up to date?
Why are there two directories named "imap" and "imap2" ? Maybe one is the
old one and imap2 is a new rewriting?
Are there any other information on the state of IMAP for James apart the
ones I can find in the sources themselves?
-Antonio
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Jason Webb [mailto:jw@inovem.com]
Inviato: giovedi 23 giugno 2005 11.44
A: 'James Developers List'
Oggetto: RE: IMAP for James: offering help to development
Apologies, Antonio.
I had intended to respond to your previous email but I'm a bit busy at the
moment.
The IMAP dev branch is at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/james/server/branches/imap-dev
The main piece of work still to is to map & adapt the current James
repository system onto the IMAP server. I'm doing this at the moment but it
is slow going.
To help on the IMAP stuff you will need a good understanding of how James
hangs together, including how mail repositories work, where users live etc
There is a Google summer of code project to add SEARCH to the IMAP server as
this is a complex but distinct piece of work.
-- Jason
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RE: IMAP for James: offering help to development
Posted by Jason Webb <jw...@inovem.com>.
Apologies, Antonio.
I had intended to respond to your previous email but I'm a bit busy at the
moment.
The IMAP dev branch is at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/james/server/branches/imap-dev
The main piece of work still to is to map & adapt the current James
repository system onto the IMAP server. I'm doing this at the moment but it
is slow going.
To help on the IMAP stuff you will need a good understanding of how James
hangs together, including how mail repositories work, where users live etc
There is a Google summer of code project to add SEARCH to the IMAP server as
this is a complex but distinct piece of work.
-- Jason
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio Chirizzi [mailto:antonio@chirizzi.com]
> Sent: 23 June 2005 10:17
> To: James Developers List
> Subject: IMAP for James: offering help to development
>
> Hello,
>
> we (Renato and I) would like to complete IMAP for James.
> We can work only by night and sometimes during weekends, since we too have
> children, but I think we could give good help.
> During day time we work for two different software companies near Milan,
> in
> Italy.
>
> Is there anybody willing to help us to get started? (this is the second
> email I am sending to this mailing list, I hope this time someone will
> answer...)
>
> We have a lot of questions, for example: what version of james should we
> start from?
> What source tree should we download, the last one?
> Is there a branch of cvs or subversion, which is dedicated to IMAP?
> How mature is the IMAP code?
> We tried to check out the latest version with subversion, but we had some
> problems.
>
> How can we join the develpment team?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> -Antonio
>
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IMAP for James: offering help to development
Posted by Antonio Chirizzi <an...@chirizzi.com>.
Hello,
we (Renato and I) would like to complete IMAP for James.
We can work only by night and sometimes during weekends, since we too have
children, but I think we could give good help.
During day time we work for two different software companies near Milan, in
Italy.
Is there anybody willing to help us to get started? (this is the second
email I am sending to this mailing list, I hope this time someone will
answer...)
We have a lot of questions, for example: what version of james should we
start from?
What source tree should we download, the last one?
Is there a branch of cvs or subversion, which is dedicated to IMAP?
How mature is the IMAP code?
We tried to check out the latest version with subversion, but we had some
problems.
How can we join the develpment team?
Thanks a lot,
-Antonio
----------------------
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Via Trieste, 523
24033 Calusco d'Adda (BG) - ITALY
Cell.: +39-347-3392411
Fax: +39-035-790658
P.IVA: 02854410160
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R: Embedding James in an application
Posted by Antonio Chirizzi <an...@chirizzi.com>.
Hello,
we (Renato and I) would like to help increasing the momentum.
We would like to complete IMAP for James.
Sure we could work only by night, since we too have children, but I think we
could give good help.
During day time we work for two different software companies near Milan, in
Italy.
Is there anybody willing to help us to get started?
We have a lot of questions, for example: what version of james should we
start from?
What source tree should we download, the last one?
Is there a branch of cvs or subversion, which is dedicated to IMAP?
How mature is the IMAP code?
We tried to check out the latest version with subversion, but we had some
problems.
How can we join the develpment team?
Thanks a lot,
-Antonio
----------------------
Ing. Antonio Chirizzi
Via Trieste, 523
24033 Calusco d'Adda (BG) - ITALY
Cell.: +39-347-3392411
Fax: +39-035-790658
P.IVA: 02854410160
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Danny Angus [mailto:Danny_Angus@slc.co.uk]
> Inviato: mercoledi 22 giugno 2005 9.45
> A: James Developers List
> Oggetto: Re: Embedding James in an application
>
>
> Irv
>
> > We don't need the SMTP and POP3 portions of a mail
> > server. We need the concept of an inbox, trash, different users,
> > mailing "lists", etc. Does this seem like a fit for James?
>
> Sounds like James with IMAP is what you need.
> Sadly IMAP is still under development, but we're hoping a google funded
> student will help us to increase the momentum.
>
> > Also, can you use James in an "embedded mode" where it doesn't have
> > the transports, but is simply called from Java?
>
> Yes and no, it is highly likely that James would be able to meet your
> requirement without being fully embedded (i.e. running in the same jvm)
>
> > I hope to be able to give back anything we develop. Our application
> > is cocoon based, so if this works out, we will be writing a James
> > transformer that works with XML commands and returns XML messages.
>
> Cool.
>
> > So, I guess another question is, has anyone already done this? (Don't
> > need to reinvent the wheel)
>
> theres the idea of a cocoon mailet posted here
> http://wiki.apache.org/james/MailetIdeas
>
> and Nicola discussed james/cocoon with us a year or two ago.
>
> d.
>
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Re: Embedding James in an application
Posted by Danny Angus <Da...@slc.co.uk>.
Irv
> We don't need the SMTP and POP3 portions of a mail
> server. We need the concept of an inbox, trash, different users,
> mailing "lists", etc. Does this seem like a fit for James?
Sounds like James with IMAP is what you need.
Sadly IMAP is still under development, but we're hoping a google funded
student will help us to increase the momentum.
> Also, can you use James in an "embedded mode" where it doesn't have
> the transports, but is simply called from Java?
Yes and no, it is highly likely that James would be able to meet your
requirement without being fully embedded (i.e. running in the same jvm)
> I hope to be able to give back anything we develop. Our application
> is cocoon based, so if this works out, we will be writing a James
> transformer that works with XML commands and returns XML messages.
Cool.
> So, I guess another question is, has anyone already done this? (Don't
> need to reinvent the wheel)
theres the idea of a cocoon mailet posted here
http://wiki.apache.org/james/MailetIdeas
and Nicola discussed james/cocoon with us a year or two ago.
d.
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