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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com> on 2005/05/16 09:27:30 UTC
Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Hi everyone,
This is a request for all you bloggers out there. As you may know
PlanetCocoon has a newsfeeds section
(http://www.planetcocoon.com/aggregator). The newsfeeds are an
aggregation of the blogs of "notable Cocooners" (plus the del.icio.us
"cocoon" tag). This is by no means an exhaustive list and I would like
to add as many people as possible. For example, Ross Gardler, I would
very much like to aggregate your Cocoon-related posts. Is there anyone
else who blogs about Cocoon I should be aware of?
In addition, to keep the feeds as on topic as possible, I wonder if you
could create a "Cocoon" category that PlanetCocoon can then subscribe
to?
Aggregated blogs are a great way of keeping up with the Cocoon world,
and the writing is often very high quality. The blogs tend to give a
much more exciting, future-oriented view of Cocoon than the mailing
lists, which I suppose are dealing with more mundane, day-to-day
issues.
Best regards,
Mark
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Mark Leicester wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Yes, I do read the dev list discussions. My sentence quoted below, in
> all its bareness, could appear dismissive so I apologise as that was
> not my intention. The many useful discussions on the dev list (about
> the makeup and design of blocks for example) shouldn't be ignored.
>
> That said, I do feel that Cocoon-related blog entries have their place
> too. An example I often refer to is Sylvain's "Cocoon 2.2 will rock!"
> post (see
> http://www.anyware-tech.com/blogs/sylvain/archives/000171.html). This
> is a very nice potted summary of what we can look forward too in the
> next version. In addition, if you type "Cocoon 2.2" into Google this
> is easily the first (only?) summary you will find.
>
> My opinion is that there is a lot of Cocoon related activity on the
> web - not just in the mailing lists. I'm looking at ways of
> aggregating it all together.
>
> On 16 May 2005, at 08:51, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
>
>> Mark Leicester wrote:
>> <snip/>
>>
>>> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view of
>>> Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with more
>>> mundane, day-to-day issues.
>>
>>
>> Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon has
>> been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the archive and
>> look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of future-oriented views of
>> Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or not, we have developed a
>> rather efficient community culture that is based on mail-list
>> discussions.
>
I agree with both of you :-)
The dev list is the place where we work, and the developer community
lives there. However, it's very difficult for people oustide this list
to know what's going on there, as following the list is a hard job for
people that just want to stay informed of the evolution trends.
That's exactly why I wrote the blog entry referenced by Mark: Cocoon 2.2
has a lot of new features people may not be aware of, and summarizing
them when they've reached some level of maturity or completeness is key
to keep the momentum on Cocoon. The same applies to other blog entries
related to my ongoing work on Cocoon (e.g. Ajax). I announced it on the
dev list, but a blog entry reaches other audiences through my blog's
readers, but also the some other more general planets that aggregate it
(planetapache, planetjava, Erik Thauvin's linkblog, etc).
The Cocoon developer community is very strong, but this strengh is
mostly visible inside the group. What we need is to communicate more to
the outside world, and blogs are an easy way to achieve this.
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez Anyware Technologies
http://apache.org/~sylvain http://anyware-tech.com
Apache Software Foundation Member Research & Technology Director
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi Daniel,
Perhaps I should have used the word "prosaic", but having said that,
there's plenty sent to the list that read like poetry! To encourage
this further maybe we could hold a Cocoon haiku competition... ;)
Regards,
Mark
On 16 May 2005, at 10:19, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> No problem, I just reacted on the the word "mundane". I'm geek enough
> to find some of the threads at dev-list exciting ;)
>
> I it is great that you work on aggregating Cocoon info from various
> sources, there is certainly a need for that.
>
> /Daniel
>
> Mark Leicester wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Yes, I do read the dev list discussions. My sentence quoted below, in
>> all its bareness, could appear dismissive so I apologise as that was
>> not my intention. The many useful discussions on the dev list (about
>> the makeup and design of blocks for example) shouldn't be ignored.
>>
>> That said, I do feel that Cocoon-related blog entries have their
>> place too. An example I often refer to is Sylvain's "Cocoon 2.2 will
>> rock!" post (see
>> http://www.anyware-tech.com/blogs/sylvain/archives/000171.html). This
>> is a very nice potted summary of what we can look forward too in the
>> next version. In addition, if you type "Cocoon 2.2" into Google this
>> is easily the first (only?) summary you will find.
>>
>> My opinion is that there is a lot of Cocoon related activity on the
>> web - not just in the mailing lists. I'm looking at ways of
>> aggregating it all together.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 16 May 2005, at 08:51, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Leicester wrote:
>>> <snip/>
>>>
>>>> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view
>>>> of Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with
>>>> more mundane, day-to-day issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon
>>> has been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the
>>> archive and look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of
>>> future-oriented views of Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or
>>> not, we have developed a rather efficient community culture that is
>>> based on mail-list discussions.
>>>
>>> /Daniel
>>>
>>
>
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Daniel Fagerstrom <da...@nada.kth.se>.
Hi Mark,
No problem, I just reacted on the the word "mundane". I'm geek enough to
find some of the threads at dev-list exciting ;)
I it is great that you work on aggregating Cocoon info from various
sources, there is certainly a need for that.
/Daniel
Mark Leicester wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Yes, I do read the dev list discussions. My sentence quoted below, in
> all its bareness, could appear dismissive so I apologise as that was
> not my intention. The many useful discussions on the dev list (about
> the makeup and design of blocks for example) shouldn't be ignored.
>
> That said, I do feel that Cocoon-related blog entries have their place
> too. An example I often refer to is Sylvain's "Cocoon 2.2 will rock!"
> post (see
> http://www.anyware-tech.com/blogs/sylvain/archives/000171.html). This
> is a very nice potted summary of what we can look forward too in the
> next version. In addition, if you type "Cocoon 2.2" into Google this
> is easily the first (only?) summary you will find.
>
> My opinion is that there is a lot of Cocoon related activity on the
> web - not just in the mailing lists. I'm looking at ways of
> aggregating it all together.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> On 16 May 2005, at 08:51, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
>
>> Mark Leicester wrote:
>> <snip/>
>>
>>> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view of
>>> Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with more
>>> mundane, day-to-day issues.
>>
>>
>> Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon has
>> been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the archive and
>> look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of future-oriented views of
>> Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or not, we have developed a
>> rather efficient community culture that is based on mail-list
>> discussions.
>>
>> /Daniel
>>
>
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi Paul,
Good idea. In fact... excellent idea! I'll add some parsing into the
mailing list handler so that we can automatically tag posts with
metadata - extracted where possible from the subject (e.g. the RT, ANN,
etc.).
Sébastien and I were just talking this weekend about tagging posts with
metadata, and this is an excellent example of how we can take what is
already there and extract some more value.
Cheers!
Mark
On 16 May 2005, at 10:01, Paul Crabtree wrote:
> Hi Mark, i think you're going in the right direction with this, i find
> it increasingly difficult to keep track of future Cocoon happenings on
> the various blogs and mail lists. I read both the dev and user lists
> regularly but a lot of stuff happens there and its easy to miss the
> interesting RTs.
>
> Is PlanetCocoon/Drupal perhaps able to watch the dev group mails for
> posts starting with [RT] and add them into this aggregation?
>
> Regards, Paul
>
>
>
> On 5/16/05, Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I do read the dev list discussions. My sentence quoted below, in
>> all its bareness, could appear dismissive so I apologise as that was
>> not my intention. The many useful discussions on the dev list (about
>> the makeup and design of blocks for example) shouldn't be ignored.
>>
>> That said, I do feel that Cocoon-related blog entries have their place
>> too. An example I often refer to is Sylvain's "Cocoon 2.2 will rock!"
>> post (see
>> http://www.anyware-tech.com/blogs/sylvain/archives/000171.html). This
>> is a very nice potted summary of what we can look forward too in the
>> next version. In addition, if you type "Cocoon 2.2" into Google this
>> is
>> easily the first (only?) summary you will find.
>>
>> My opinion is that there is a lot of Cocoon related activity on the
>> web
>> - not just in the mailing lists. I'm looking at ways of aggregating it
>> all together.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 16 May 2005, at 08:51, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
>>
>> > Mark Leicester wrote:
>> > <snip/>
>> >
>> >> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view
>> of
>> >> Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with
>> more
>> >> mundane, day-to-day issues.
>> >
>> > Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon
>> has
>> > been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the archive
>> and
>> > look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of future-oriented views of
>> > Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or not, we have developed a
>> > rather efficient community culture that is based on mail-list
>> > discussions.
>> >
>> > /Daniel
>> >
>>
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Paul Crabtree <pa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Mark, i think you're going in the right direction with this, i find it
increasingly difficult to keep track of future Cocoon happenings on the
various blogs and mail lists. I read both the dev and user lists regularly
but a lot of stuff happens there and its easy to miss the interesting RTs.
Is PlanetCocoon/Drupal perhaps able to watch the dev group mails for posts
starting with [RT] and add them into this aggregation?
Regards, Paul
On 5/16/05, Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Yes, I do read the dev list discussions. My sentence quoted below, in
> all its bareness, could appear dismissive so I apologise as that was
> not my intention. The many useful discussions on the dev list (about
> the makeup and design of blocks for example) shouldn't be ignored.
>
> That said, I do feel that Cocoon-related blog entries have their place
> too. An example I often refer to is Sylvain's "Cocoon 2.2 will rock!"
> post (see
> http://www.anyware-tech.com/blogs/sylvain/archives/000171.html). This
> is a very nice potted summary of what we can look forward too in the
> next version. In addition, if you type "Cocoon 2.2" into Google this is
> easily the first (only?) summary you will find.
>
> My opinion is that there is a lot of Cocoon related activity on the web
> - not just in the mailing lists. I'm looking at ways of aggregating it
> all together.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> On 16 May 2005, at 08:51, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
>
> > Mark Leicester wrote:
> > <snip/>
> >
> >> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view of
> >> Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with more
> >> mundane, day-to-day issues.
> >
> > Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon has
> > been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the archive and
> > look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of future-oriented views of
> > Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or not, we have developed a
> > rather efficient community culture that is based on mail-list
> > discussions.
> >
> > /Daniel
> >
>
>
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi Daniel,
Yes, I do read the dev list discussions. My sentence quoted below, in
all its bareness, could appear dismissive so I apologise as that was
not my intention. The many useful discussions on the dev list (about
the makeup and design of blocks for example) shouldn't be ignored.
That said, I do feel that Cocoon-related blog entries have their place
too. An example I often refer to is Sylvain's "Cocoon 2.2 will rock!"
post (see
http://www.anyware-tech.com/blogs/sylvain/archives/000171.html). This
is a very nice potted summary of what we can look forward too in the
next version. In addition, if you type "Cocoon 2.2" into Google this is
easily the first (only?) summary you will find.
My opinion is that there is a lot of Cocoon related activity on the web
- not just in the mailing lists. I'm looking at ways of aggregating it
all together.
Regards,
Mark
On 16 May 2005, at 08:51, Daniel Fagerstrom wrote:
> Mark Leicester wrote:
> <snip/>
>
>> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view of
>> Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with more
>> mundane, day-to-day issues.
>
> Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon has
> been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the archive and
> look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of future-oriented views of
> Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or not, we have developed a
> rather efficient community culture that is based on mail-list
> discussions.
>
> /Daniel
>
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Daniel Fagerstrom <da...@nada.kth.se>.
Mark Leicester wrote:
<snip/>
> The blogs tend to give a much more exciting, future-oriented view of
> Cocoon than the mailing lists, which I suppose are dealing with more
> mundane, day-to-day issues.
Are you actually reading dev-list, about all core parts of Cocoon has
been proposed and designed on dev-list? If you search the archive and
look for "[RT]" then you can find tons of future-oriented views of
Cocoon. Blogs are great, but like it or not, we have developed a rather
efficient community culture that is based on mail-list discussions.
/Daniel
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi Bertrand,
Essentially, I'm looking for an rss 1.0 style feed that uses the Dublin
Core module. The Dublin Core module includes date information.
http://codeconsult.ch/bertrand/rss-cocoon.xml is RSS 0.91, but
http://codeconsult.ch/bertrand/index.rdf is RSS 1.0. Is it possible to
make the cocoon feed an rss 1.0 feed too?
Thanks!
Mark
On 16 May 2005, at 16:12, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Le 16 mai 05, à 11:20, Mark Leicester a écrit :
>
>> ...That's great. Thanks! Can I trouble you to add the Dublin Core
>> information into the feed too please?..
>
> What do you need exactly? Author, date, more?
> If you have an example of what you'd like to see it would help.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le 16 mai 05, à 11:20, Mark Leicester a écrit :
> ...That's great. Thanks! Can I trouble you to add the Dublin Core
> information into the feed too please?..
What do you need exactly? Author, date, more?
If you have an example of what you'd like to see it would help.
-Bertrand
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Mark Leicester <ma...@efurbishment.com>.
Hi Bertrand,
That's great. Thanks! Can I trouble you to add the Dublin Core
information into the feed too please?
Cheers,
Mark
On 16 May 2005, at 10:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Le 16 mai 05, à 09:27, Mark Leicester a écrit :
>> ...In addition, to keep the feeds as on topic as possible, I wonder
>> if you could create a "Cocoon" category that PlanetCocoon can then
>> subscribe to?..
>
> Good idea, I've created a Cocoon-specific feed at
> http://codeconsult.ch/bertrand/rss-cocoon.xml (there's no link on the
> weblog front page yet, I'll add it later).
>
> Note that Movable Type in its standard form (at least the slightly old
> version that I'm using) does not encourage the use of categories very
> much, so I haven't been using them very consistently. I suspect other
> MovableTypers among us might have the same problem.
>
> But having a Cocoon-specific aggregation of weblogs sounds good, I'll
> try to be more consistent with categories, I've corrected recent posts
> already.
>
> -Bertrand
Re: Bloggers, may I request a "Cocoon" category?
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le 16 mai 05, à 09:27, Mark Leicester a écrit :
> ...In addition, to keep the feeds as on topic as possible, I wonder if
> you could create a "Cocoon" category that PlanetCocoon can then
> subscribe to?..
Good idea, I've created a Cocoon-specific feed at
http://codeconsult.ch/bertrand/rss-cocoon.xml (there's no link on the
weblog front page yet, I'll add it later).
Note that Movable Type in its standard form (at least the slightly old
version that I'm using) does not encourage the use of categories very
much, so I haven't been using them very consistently. I suspect other
MovableTypers among us might have the same problem.
But having a Cocoon-specific aggregation of weblogs sounds good, I'll
try to be more consistent with categories, I've corrected recent posts
already.
-Bertrand