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Mail command to allow marvin emails
All,
Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
to get to a list without moderation?
John
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
It’s too bad that this can’t be automated when a podling is added. I have a ticket waiting in INFRA to add a REST API to Hermes to allow such a thing.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8006
Maybe people can up-vote it? :)
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
>> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
>> to get to a list without moderation?
>
> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
>
> Tim
>
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
Are you looking for the dev-allow-subscribe command?
On 11/24/14, 9:39 AM, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 10:29:02 AM Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
>> > Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
>> > to get to a list without moderation?
>>
>> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
>> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
>>
>>
>Are you referring to general@ or something else? I'm specifically
>referring
>to dev@tamaya.i.a.o and I was hoping to white list marvin (the board
>report
>email reminder). I can't seem to find instructions on how to white list
>people anywhere.
>
>If you're saying that only you can white list Marvin.. please white list
>Marvin on the listed mail alias.
>
>Tim
>>
>
>John
>
>
>>
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org>.
On 26.11.2014 10:45, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
> I can appreciate that these kind of shortcuts can make it efficient for an
> experienced moderator, but for incubating projects who are transitioning
> from infrastructure like Github, Google Groups and yes, even Sourceforge,
> getting used to the apache.org infrastructure is a bit of a challenge, even
> for dinosaurs like myself who used this kind of technology 15 years ago.
>
> </rant> ;)
Let me continue in the same vein by asking: do you really think we want
committers who can't figure out technology unless it's packed in a
really simple GUI with no more than a single line of text anwhere? :)
(If you're a dinosaur, would this make me a sauropsid?)
-- Brane
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <so...@cs.manchester.ac.uk>.
Has there been some consideration for apache.org to use a mailing list
system with a regular web interface instead of just magic email addresses?
We've been using Mailman at Sourceforge since 2005 or so, and this ezlm
just feels like a step backwards to the 1990s. (Our university still use
ListServ. So It could be worse! ;-) )
Just yesterday I spent 15 minutes trying to find out how to link to a
thread in the apache.org mbox mail archive. It turns out you can't, in
thread view the URL never change, and in message view the thread is hidden.
Don't get me started on trying to explain how to subscribe to a list with a
different email address than Sender header leaks (e.g. if using gmail with
a secondary email address).
I can appreciate that these kind of shortcuts can make it efficient for an
experienced moderator, but for incubating projects who are transitioning
from infrastructure like Github, Google Groups and yes, even Sourceforge,
getting used to the apache.org infrastructure is a bit of a challenge, even
for dinosaurs like myself who used this kind of technology 15 years ago.
</rant> ;)
On 25 Nov 2014 11:03, "Tim Ellison" <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/14 17:39, John D. Ament wrote:
> > On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 10:29:02 AM Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
> >>> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
> >>> to get to a list without moderation?
> >>
> >> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
> >> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
> >>
> >>
> > Are you referring to general@ or something else? I'm specifically
> referring
> > to dev@tamaya.i.a.o and I was hoping to white list marvin (the board
> report
> > email reminder).
>
> Well I can moderate general@ requests, but other moderators can do the
> equivalent for lists they oversee.
>
> > I can't seem to find instructions on how to white list
> > people anywhere.
>
> When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
> acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
>
> The 'accept' permits the current e-mail through, and the 'allow' address
> will add the sender to the whitelist for future mails. There are other
> command to remove the sender if you change your mind later.
>
> See http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate
>
> > If you're saying that only you can white list Marvin.. please white list
> > Marvin on the listed mail alias.
>
> No, it requires a moderator for dev@tamaya.i.a.o to do that, and an
> incoming moderation request.
>
> HTH
> Tim
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 26 November 2014 at 09:23, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/11/14 19:39, sebb wrote:
>> On 25 November 2014 at 17:58, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/11/14 14:59, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>> When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
>>>>>> acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
>>>>
>>>> So, if in the future we wanted to do this proactively we can send
>>>>
>>>> dev-allow-tc-no-reply=apache.org@some.mailing.list.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> or does it always require the first failed message?
>>>
>>> The "allow" mail address contains some hashing, so it looks like this
>>> general-allow-tc.14022574435.jniccwfloaonmjaawwpz-no-reply=apache.org@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> That is a special address for confirming an allow.
>>
>>> (I made that one up so nobody tries to allow it ;-)
>>>
>>> I guess you have to wait for the first failed, but not sure.
>>
>> No, moderators can [un]subscribe any e-mails at any time.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#subscribing
>>
>> This includes subscribing an e-mail to the allow list
>>
>> e.g.
>>
>> dev-allow-subscribe-user=example.com@tamaya.i.a.o
>
> Good to know, thanks sebb, and apologies to Alex who called it a couple
> of days ago!
>
> I'm not sure I understand the practical difference between "confirming
> an allow" and "subscribing the e-mail to the allow list" as they seem to
> have the same effect, i.e. why would the moderate e-mail need the
> hashed-up string, and not just use dev-allow-subscribe-user=example.com@...?
Changes to the mailing list require a confirmation.
Which will look rather like the mod e-mail.
> Back to John's original question then,
>
>> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
>> to get to a list without moderation?
>
> from what I just learnt, it would be for the moderator to send mail to
> dev-allow-subscribe-no-reply=apache.org@tamaya.i.a.o
Yes, but you then have to reply to the confirmation request.
> Tim
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
On 25/11/14 19:39, sebb wrote:
> On 25 November 2014 at 17:58, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25/11/14 14:59, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
>>>>> acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
>>>
>>> So, if in the future we wanted to do this proactively we can send
>>>
>>> dev-allow-tc-no-reply=apache.org@some.mailing.list.apache.org
>>>
>>> or does it always require the first failed message?
>>
>> The "allow" mail address contains some hashing, so it looks like this
>> general-allow-tc.14022574435.jniccwfloaonmjaawwpz-no-reply=apache.org@incubator.apache.org
>
> That is a special address for confirming an allow.
>
>> (I made that one up so nobody tries to allow it ;-)
>>
>> I guess you have to wait for the first failed, but not sure.
>
> No, moderators can [un]subscribe any e-mails at any time.
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#subscribing
>
> This includes subscribing an e-mail to the allow list
>
> e.g.
>
> dev-allow-subscribe-user=example.com@tamaya.i.a.o
Good to know, thanks sebb, and apologies to Alex who called it a couple
of days ago!
I'm not sure I understand the practical difference between "confirming
an allow" and "subscribing the e-mail to the allow list" as they seem to
have the same effect, i.e. why would the moderate e-mail need the
hashed-up string, and not just use dev-allow-subscribe-user=example.com@...?
Back to John's original question then,
> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
> to get to a list without moderation?
from what I just learnt, it would be for the moderator to send mail to
dev-allow-subscribe-no-reply=apache.org@tamaya.i.a.o
Tim
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 25 November 2014 at 17:58, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/11/14 14:59, John D. Ament wrote:
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
>>>> acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
>>
>> So, if in the future we wanted to do this proactively we can send
>>
>> dev-allow-tc-no-reply=apache.org@some.mailing.list.apache.org
>>
>> or does it always require the first failed message?
>
> The "allow" mail address contains some hashing, so it looks like this
> general-allow-tc.14022574435.jniccwfloaonmjaawwpz-no-reply=apache.org@incubator.apache.org
That is a special address for confirming an allow.
> (I made that one up so nobody tries to allow it ;-)
>
> I guess you have to wait for the first failed, but not sure.
No, moderators can [un]subscribe any e-mails at any time.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#subscribing
This includes subscribing an e-mail to the allow list
e.g.
dev-allow-subscribe-user=example.com@tamaya.i.a.o
> Tim
>
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
On 25/11/14 14:59, John D. Ament wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>> When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
>>> acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
>
> So, if in the future we wanted to do this proactively we can send
>
> dev-allow-tc-no-reply=apache.org@some.mailing.list.apache.org
>
> or does it always require the first failed message?
The "allow" mail address contains some hashing, so it looks like this
general-allow-tc.14022574435.jniccwfloaonmjaawwpz-no-reply=apache.org@incubator.apache.org
(I made that one up so nobody tries to allow it ;-)
I guess you have to wait for the first failed, but not sure.
Tim
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 6:59 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> So, if in the future we wanted to do this proactively we can send
>
> dev-allow-tc-no-reply=apache.org@some.mailing.list.apache.org
>
> or does it always require the first failed message?
When I became IPMC chair, I worried a lot about automated report
reminders getting through to new podlings, to the point of checking
dev list archives and subscribing in order to send manual reminders
when the automated reminders did not arrive.
There's a better way.
When a podling fails to report, make absolutely sure they get added to
next month's queue -- and make absolutely sure that they stay in that
queue until they finally come through with a report.
This is why report_runbook.py includes tasks for setting and clearing
the "monthly" tag in podlings.xml.
Taking this approach not only addresses the problem of comatose
mailing list moderators, but a number of other more general problems
related to low activity.
Several years ago, the IPMC typically didn't take any action when
podlings failed to report, and as a result we had a number of podlings
failing to report for several quarterly cycles. It was a mess. We're
better now.
Marvin Humphrey
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 9:32:06 AM Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com>
wrote:
>
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 24/11/14 17:39, John D. Ament wrote:
> >> On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 10:29:02 AM Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
> >>>> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
> >>>> to get to a list without moderation?
> >>>
> >>> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
> >>> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Are you referring to general@ or something else? I'm specifically
> referring
> >> to dev@tamaya.i.a.o and I was hoping to white list marvin (the board
> report
> >> email reminder).
> >
> > Well I can moderate general@ requests, but other moderators can do the
> > equivalent for lists they oversee.
> >
> >> I can't seem to find instructions on how to white list
> >> people anywhere.
> >
> > When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
> > acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
> >
>
So, if in the future we wanted to do this proactively we can send
dev-allow-tc-no-reply=apache.org@some.mailing.list.apache.org
or does it always require the first failed message?
> > The 'accept' permits the current e-mail through, and the 'allow' address
> > will add the sender to the whitelist for future mails. There are other
> > command to remove the sender if you change your mind later.
> >
> > See http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate
> >
> >> If you're saying that only you can white list Marvin.. please white list
> >> Marvin on the listed mail alias.
> >
> > No, it requires a moderator for dev@tamaya.i.a.o to do that, and an
> > incoming moderation request.
>
>
> It’s too bad that this can’t be automated when a podling is added. I have
> a ticket waiting in INFRA to add a REST API to Hermes to allow such a thing.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8006
>
> Maybe people can up-vote it? :)
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/14 17:39, John D. Ament wrote:
>> On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 10:29:02 AM Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
>>>> to get to a list without moderation?
>>>
>>> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
>>> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
>>>
>>>
>> Are you referring to general@ or something else? I'm specifically referring
>> to dev@tamaya.i.a.o and I was hoping to white list marvin (the board report
>> email reminder).
>
> Well I can moderate general@ requests, but other moderators can do the
> equivalent for lists they oversee.
>
>> I can't seem to find instructions on how to white list
>> people anywhere.
>
> When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
> acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
>
> The 'accept' permits the current e-mail through, and the 'allow' address
> will add the sender to the whitelist for future mails. There are other
> command to remove the sender if you change your mind later.
>
> See http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate
>
>> If you're saying that only you can white list Marvin.. please white list
>> Marvin on the listed mail alias.
>
> No, it requires a moderator for dev@tamaya.i.a.o to do that, and an
> incoming moderation request.
It’s too bad that this can’t be automated when a podling is added. I have a ticket waiting in INFRA to add a REST API to Hermes to allow such a thing.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-8006
Maybe people can up-vote it? :)
Regards,
Alan
Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
On 24/11/14 17:39, John D. Ament wrote:
> On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 10:29:02 AM Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
>>> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
>>> to get to a list without moderation?
>>
>> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
>> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
>>
>>
> Are you referring to general@ or something else? I'm specifically referring
> to dev@tamaya.i.a.o and I was hoping to white list marvin (the board report
> email reminder).
Well I can moderate general@ requests, but other moderators can do the
equivalent for lists they oversee.
> I can't seem to find instructions on how to white list
> people anywhere.
When you get the MODERATE mail you should replyAll and send the
acknowledgement to the *-accept-* and *-allow-tc.* addresses.
The 'accept' permits the current e-mail through, and the 'allow' address
will add the sender to the whitelist for future mails. There are other
command to remove the sender if you change your mind later.
See http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#mail-moderate
> If you're saying that only you can white list Marvin.. please white list
> Marvin on the listed mail alias.
No, it requires a moderator for dev@tamaya.i.a.o to do that, and an
incoming moderation request.
HTH
Tim
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 10:29:02 AM Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
> > Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
> > to get to a list without moderation?
>
> If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
> and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
>
>
Are you referring to general@ or something else? I'm specifically referring
to dev@tamaya.i.a.o and I was hoping to white list marvin (the board report
email reminder). I can't seem to find instructions on how to white list
people anywhere.
If you're saying that only you can white list Marvin.. please white list
Marvin on the listed mail alias.
Tim
>
John
>
>
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Re: Mail command to allow marvin emails
Posted by Tim Ellison <t....@gmail.com>.
On 24/11/14 14:35, John D. Ament wrote:
> Does anyone know the mail command to send out to allow marvin emails
> to get to a list without moderation?
If the mail hits moderation then I/some other mod will allow it through
and add Marvin to the allowed senders' list.
Tim
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