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[ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
Cocoon 2.2.0.
Apache Cocoon is a Spring-based framework (since version 2.2 of
Cocoon) built around the concepts of separation of concerns and
component-based development.
Cocoon implements these concepts around the notion of component
pipelines, each component on the pipeline specializing on a particular
operation.
Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon. (in
comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
Everything that goes beyond what Cocoon provides in its core modules
(Spring integration, sitemap and pipeline implementation) is provided
as block (see below). Custom Cocoon applications are also developed as
blocks. A block can provide the following additional features:
* general servlet services (any servlet can be managed by the Cocoon
servlet-service framework),
* special services that provide pipelines as services,
* component services (Spring beans, Avalon services/components),
* a container for classes and resources.
A block is packaged as a Java archive (jar) following certain
conventions concerning the directory structure.
To read more information about the new features within Cocoon 2.2.0
please go to: http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1420_1_1.html.
Alternatively for more information about Apache Cocoon 2.2,
please go to, please go to http://cocoon.apache.org or follow our
getting started guide at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1159_1_1.html.
The release artifacts are available from the central Maven repository
(http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/) or you can download them from the
distribution area (http://cocoon.apache.org/1284_1_1.html).
- o -
Additionally we are pround to announce some additional releases:
SUBPROJECTS
-----------
* Cocoon Servlet-Service Framework 1.0.0
The Servlet Service Famework makes it easy to use servlets as
components which can communicate with each other. The current
implementation is based on Spring 2.5.
There are no dependencies on Cocoon core libraries at all.
http://cocoon.apache.org/subprojects/servlet-service/1.0/
* Cocoon Configuration 1.0.2
The Cocoon Configuration subproject provides basic support for
configuring web applications. Its current implementation, the Spring
Configurator, is a useful component providing support in common
configuration issues when using the Spring framework.
There are no dependencies on Cocoon core libraries at all.
http://cocoon.apache.org/subprojects/configuration/1.0/
Additional Cocoon 2.2.0 BLOCKS
------------------------------
* Cocoon Ajax 1.0.0
Partial page and form reloads
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/ajax/1.0/
* Cocoon Apples 1.0.0
Pure Java implementations of controller logic.
* Cocoon Auth 1.0.0
Authentication and authorization of pipelines and control-flow based
Cocoon applications.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/auth/1.0/
* Cocoon Batik 1.0.0
Create Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) using Cocoon pipelines.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/batik/1.0/
* Cocoon Captcha 1.0.0
A reader to create CAPTCHAs
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/captcha/1.0/
* Cocoon Database 1.0.0
Direct usage of relational databases with sitemap components.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/databases/1.0/
* Cocoon Database Bridge 1.0.0
Databases bridge allows you to use datasources defined as
Spring-beans in Avalon components.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/databases-bridge/1.0/
* Cocoon Flowscript 1.0.0
Flowscript is a continuation-based implementation of Cocoon control
flow based on Rhino (Javascript/ECMAScript).
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/flowscript/1.0/
* Cocoon FOP 1.0.0
Use Apache FOP, an XSL-FO driven print formatter to render pages to
PDF or Postscript.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/fop/1.0/
* Cocoon Forms 1.1.0
Cocoon has an advanced forms framework. Together with Flow and
JXTemplates, Cocoon Forms (or CForms) provides a solid basis for
building interactive web applications. Cocoon Forms handles complex
use cases while still being simple enough to be used by
non-Java-programmers who want to add forms to their site.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/ajax/1.0/
* Cocoon Hsqldb-Client 1.0.0
JDBC access of a Hsql database
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/hsqldb-client/1.0/
* Cocoon Hsqldb-Server 1.0.0
Start a Hsql database server as part of your Cocoon application.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/hsqldb-server/1.0/
* Cocoon HTML 1.0.0
Generators to deal with HTML.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/html/1.0/
* Cocoon Linkrewriter 1.0.0
Transformers to rewrite all elements containing links.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/linkrewriter/1.0/
* Cocoon Mail 1.0.0
Sitemap components to send emails.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/mail/1.0/
* Cocoon Template 1.1.0
XML-based templating
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/template/1.0/
TOOLS
-----
* Cocoon Maven plugin 1.0.0-M2
The Cocoon Maven plugin contains several goals that make the life of
software developers easier, e.g. support for running blocks as
webapps or support for patching the web.xml at deployment time.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/maven-plugin/1.0/
* Cocoon Block Archetype 1.0.0
This archetype creates a Cocoon block that comes with some
small samples.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
* Cocoon Plain-Block Archetype 1.0.0
Use this archetype to create the simplest possible Cocoon block.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
* Cocoon Webapp Archetype 1.0.0
Use this archetype to create a web application that is configured to
host Cocoon blocks.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
The Apache Cocoon Project
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Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
Member of the Apache Software Foundation
Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Andreas Hochsteger <an...@gmail.com>.
Congratulations to everyone involved making this big milestone in
Cocoon's history reality and thanks to Reinhard for doing the release!
Andreas
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
> Cocoon 2.2.0.
>
> Apache Cocoon is a Spring-based framework (since version 2.2 of
> Cocoon) built around the concepts of separation of concerns and
> component-based development.
>
> Cocoon implements these concepts around the notion of component
> pipelines, each component on the pipeline specializing on a particular
> operation.
>
> Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
> modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon. (in
> comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
> Everything that goes beyond what Cocoon provides in its core modules
> (Spring integration, sitemap and pipeline implementation) is provided
> as block (see below). Custom Cocoon applications are also developed as
> blocks. A block can provide the following additional features:
>
> * general servlet services (any servlet can be managed by the Cocoon
> servlet-service framework),
> * special services that provide pipelines as services,
> * component services (Spring beans, Avalon services/components),
> * a container for classes and resources.
>
> A block is packaged as a Java archive (jar) following certain
> conventions concerning the directory structure.
>
> To read more information about the new features within Cocoon 2.2.0
> please go to: http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1420_1_1.html.
>
> Alternatively for more information about Apache Cocoon 2.2,
> please go to, please go to http://cocoon.apache.org or follow our
> getting started guide at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1159_1_1.html.
>
> The release artifacts are available from the central Maven repository
> (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/) or you can download them from the
> distribution area (http://cocoon.apache.org/1284_1_1.html).
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> Additionally we are pround to announce some additional releases:
>
> SUBPROJECTS
> -----------
>
> * Cocoon Servlet-Service Framework 1.0.0
> The Servlet Service Famework makes it easy to use servlets as
> components which can communicate with each other. The current
> implementation is based on Spring 2.5.
>
> There are no dependencies on Cocoon core libraries at all.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/subprojects/servlet-service/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Configuration 1.0.2
> The Cocoon Configuration subproject provides basic support for
> configuring web applications. Its current implementation, the Spring
> Configurator, is a useful component providing support in common
> configuration issues when using the Spring framework.
>
> There are no dependencies on Cocoon core libraries at all.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/subprojects/configuration/1.0/
>
> Additional Cocoon 2.2.0 BLOCKS
> ------------------------------
>
> * Cocoon Ajax 1.0.0
> Partial page and form reloads
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/ajax/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Apples 1.0.0
> Pure Java implementations of controller logic.
>
> * Cocoon Auth 1.0.0
> Authentication and authorization of pipelines and control-flow based
> Cocoon applications.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/auth/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Batik 1.0.0
> Create Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) using Cocoon pipelines.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/batik/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Captcha 1.0.0
> A reader to create CAPTCHAs
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/captcha/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Database 1.0.0
> Direct usage of relational databases with sitemap components.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/databases/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Database Bridge 1.0.0
> Databases bridge allows you to use datasources defined as
> Spring-beans in Avalon components.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/databases-bridge/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Flowscript 1.0.0
> Flowscript is a continuation-based implementation of Cocoon control
> flow based on Rhino (Javascript/ECMAScript).
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/flowscript/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon FOP 1.0.0
> Use Apache FOP, an XSL-FO driven print formatter to render pages to
> PDF or Postscript.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/fop/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Forms 1.1.0
> Cocoon has an advanced forms framework. Together with Flow and
> JXTemplates, Cocoon Forms (or CForms) provides a solid basis for
> building interactive web applications. Cocoon Forms handles complex
> use cases while still being simple enough to be used by
> non-Java-programmers who want to add forms to their site.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/ajax/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Hsqldb-Client 1.0.0
> JDBC access of a Hsql database
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/hsqldb-client/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Hsqldb-Server 1.0.0
> Start a Hsql database server as part of your Cocoon application.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/hsqldb-server/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon HTML 1.0.0
> Generators to deal with HTML.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/html/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Linkrewriter 1.0.0
> Transformers to rewrite all elements containing links.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/linkrewriter/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Mail 1.0.0
> Sitemap components to send emails.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/mail/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Template 1.1.0
> XML-based templating
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/template/1.0/
>
> TOOLS
> -----
>
> * Cocoon Maven plugin 1.0.0-M2
> The Cocoon Maven plugin contains several goals that make the life of
> software developers easier, e.g. support for running blocks as
> webapps or support for patching the web.xml at deployment time.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/maven-plugin/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Block Archetype 1.0.0
> This archetype creates a Cocoon block that comes with some
> small samples.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
>
> * Cocoon Plain-Block Archetype 1.0.0
> Use this archetype to create the simplest possible Cocoon block.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
>
> * Cocoon Webapp Archetype 1.0.0
> Use this archetype to create a web application that is configured to
> host Cocoon blocks.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
>
> The Apache Cocoon Project
>
> --
> Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
> http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
>
> Member of the Apache Software Foundation
> Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
>
Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Andreas Hochsteger <an...@gmail.com>.
Congratulations to everyone involved making this big milestone in
Cocoon's history reality and thanks to Reinhard for doing the release!
Andreas
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
> Cocoon 2.2.0.
>
> Apache Cocoon is a Spring-based framework (since version 2.2 of
> Cocoon) built around the concepts of separation of concerns and
> component-based development.
>
> Cocoon implements these concepts around the notion of component
> pipelines, each component on the pipeline specializing on a particular
> operation.
>
> Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
> modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon. (in
> comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
> Everything that goes beyond what Cocoon provides in its core modules
> (Spring integration, sitemap and pipeline implementation) is provided
> as block (see below). Custom Cocoon applications are also developed as
> blocks. A block can provide the following additional features:
>
> * general servlet services (any servlet can be managed by the Cocoon
> servlet-service framework),
> * special services that provide pipelines as services,
> * component services (Spring beans, Avalon services/components),
> * a container for classes and resources.
>
> A block is packaged as a Java archive (jar) following certain
> conventions concerning the directory structure.
>
> To read more information about the new features within Cocoon 2.2.0
> please go to: http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1420_1_1.html.
>
> Alternatively for more information about Apache Cocoon 2.2,
> please go to, please go to http://cocoon.apache.org or follow our
> getting started guide at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1159_1_1.html.
>
> The release artifacts are available from the central Maven repository
> (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/) or you can download them from the
> distribution area (http://cocoon.apache.org/1284_1_1.html).
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> Additionally we are pround to announce some additional releases:
>
> SUBPROJECTS
> -----------
>
> * Cocoon Servlet-Service Framework 1.0.0
> The Servlet Service Famework makes it easy to use servlets as
> components which can communicate with each other. The current
> implementation is based on Spring 2.5.
>
> There are no dependencies on Cocoon core libraries at all.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/subprojects/servlet-service/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Configuration 1.0.2
> The Cocoon Configuration subproject provides basic support for
> configuring web applications. Its current implementation, the Spring
> Configurator, is a useful component providing support in common
> configuration issues when using the Spring framework.
>
> There are no dependencies on Cocoon core libraries at all.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/subprojects/configuration/1.0/
>
> Additional Cocoon 2.2.0 BLOCKS
> ------------------------------
>
> * Cocoon Ajax 1.0.0
> Partial page and form reloads
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/ajax/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Apples 1.0.0
> Pure Java implementations of controller logic.
>
> * Cocoon Auth 1.0.0
> Authentication and authorization of pipelines and control-flow based
> Cocoon applications.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/auth/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Batik 1.0.0
> Create Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) using Cocoon pipelines.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/batik/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Captcha 1.0.0
> A reader to create CAPTCHAs
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/captcha/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Database 1.0.0
> Direct usage of relational databases with sitemap components.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/databases/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Database Bridge 1.0.0
> Databases bridge allows you to use datasources defined as
> Spring-beans in Avalon components.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/databases-bridge/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Flowscript 1.0.0
> Flowscript is a continuation-based implementation of Cocoon control
> flow based on Rhino (Javascript/ECMAScript).
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/flowscript/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon FOP 1.0.0
> Use Apache FOP, an XSL-FO driven print formatter to render pages to
> PDF or Postscript.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/fop/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Forms 1.1.0
> Cocoon has an advanced forms framework. Together with Flow and
> JXTemplates, Cocoon Forms (or CForms) provides a solid basis for
> building interactive web applications. Cocoon Forms handles complex
> use cases while still being simple enough to be used by
> non-Java-programmers who want to add forms to their site.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/ajax/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Hsqldb-Client 1.0.0
> JDBC access of a Hsql database
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/hsqldb-client/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Hsqldb-Server 1.0.0
> Start a Hsql database server as part of your Cocoon application.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/hsqldb-server/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon HTML 1.0.0
> Generators to deal with HTML.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/html/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Linkrewriter 1.0.0
> Transformers to rewrite all elements containing links.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/linkrewriter/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Mail 1.0.0
> Sitemap components to send emails.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/mail/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Template 1.1.0
> XML-based templating
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/blocks/template/1.0/
>
> TOOLS
> -----
>
> * Cocoon Maven plugin 1.0.0-M2
> The Cocoon Maven plugin contains several goals that make the life of
> software developers easier, e.g. support for running blocks as
> webapps or support for patching the web.xml at deployment time.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/maven-plugin/1.0/
>
> * Cocoon Block Archetype 1.0.0
> This archetype creates a Cocoon block that comes with some
> small samples.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
>
> * Cocoon Plain-Block Archetype 1.0.0
> Use this archetype to create the simplest possible Cocoon block.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
>
> * Cocoon Webapp Archetype 1.0.0
> Use this archetype to create a web application that is configured to
> host Cocoon blocks.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/
>
> The Apache Cocoon Project
>
> --
> Reinhard Pötz Managing Director, {Indoqa} GmbH
> http://www.indoqa.com/en/people/reinhard.poetz/
>
> Member of the Apache Software Foundation
> Apache Cocoon Committer, PMC member, PMC Chair reinhard@apache.org
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@cocoon.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@cocoon.apache.org
>
>
Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
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| The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
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| The Apache Cocoon Project
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Grzegorz Kossakowski <gr...@tuffmail.com>.
Reinhard Haller pisze:
> Hi Kamal,
>
> Kamal Bhatt schrieb:
>> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
>> documentation is now a mess.
>>
> I started with cocoon 2.0. If you remember the scope as explained in the
> "What is" documentation:
>
> Apache Cocoon is an XML publishing framework
>
> Cocoon 2.2 lacks nearly all prerequisites to fulfill the old promise.
> I've no interest to program Java-
> components, I want to manipulate XML contents in a structured way (using
> XSLT) to present them.
> Generators, transformers, actions, serializers should help me to
> accomplish tasks difficult to realize in
> a pure XSLT environment.
>
> Given the actual documentation it is easier to get the work done with
> XSLT than with Cocoon. From
> my point of view the developers of 2.2 have lost the user perspective of
> their work.
Cocoon had his own problems, nobody denies it. My own opinion is that a very long gap since last
minor release (btw. 2.2.0 is minor release but I guess it should be called major) has hurt us in
several ways, including this "losing user perspective".
Anyway, we have finally released it and now it's time for improvement only. As I said in another
mail, I think it's a great chance for you, users, to help us with recovering lost user perspective.
--
Best regards,
Grzegorz Kossakowski
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au>.
Reinhard Haller wrote:
> Hi Kamal,
>
> Kamal Bhatt schrieb:
>> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
>> documentation is now a mess.
>>
> I started with cocoon 2.0. If you remember the scope as explained in
> the "What is" documentation:
>
> Apache Cocoon is an XML publishing framework
>
> Cocoon 2.2 lacks nearly all prerequisites to fulfill the old promise.
> I've no interest to program Java-
> components, I want to manipulate XML contents in a structured way
> (using XSLT) to present them.
> Generators, transformers, actions, serializers should help me to
> accomplish tasks difficult to realize in
> a pure XSLT environment.
>
> Given the actual documentation it is easier to get the work done with
> XSLT than with Cocoon. From
> my point of view the developers of 2.2 have lost the user perspective
> of their work.
>
I kinda agree with this. However, in fairness, once you get a better
understanding of Cocoon 2.2 you realise it isn't that different in
comparison to 2.1. Unfortunately, right now, I would not recommend
anyone who hasn't had experience with Cocoon 2.1 should use cocoon 2.2.
The biggest issues I have with Cocoon 2.2 (aside from the twisted
documentation) is the following:
* No decent replacement to XSPs (I know JXtemplates + FlowScript is the
intended replacement, but there is so much you cannot do in JXtemplate
right now, for example, dynamically creating elements)
* A push away from external sitemaps and map:mount. I know that the new
Servlet Framework is great, but it makes migration a little more
difficult IMHO.
* Maven is a mixed blessing. When it works, it is great, but I think
most people on this list (including myself) struggle with Maven. The ant
scripts were twisted, but they were transparent, Maven simply isn't
transparent.
All that said, I think the whole process of building is simpler and more
refined (when it works) and many of us do have a requirement to have
Java code bundled with Cocoon, and Cocoon 2.2 gives us this. It also
gives us a reasonable environment to work in. It isn't perfect, but it
does allow testing and (when it works) makes deployments simple.
Anyway, in summary, if you have some experience with 2.1 and you don't
have 101 XSPs, I recommend moving to 2.2, otherwise, use 2.1.
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Derek Hohls <DH...@csir.co.za>.
Reinhard
I have not looked closely enough at 2.2 to see if this is true;
if so, I would be very disappointed as I have used Cocoon
since 1.9 days - and the beauty of it has been that I have not
had to write any custom Java code, as Cocoon has provided all
the logic and components needed to use it "as is". The recent
addition of templating and flowscript has catered more than
adequately for any logic needed, and dispensed with the need
for the rather messy XML+Java of the old XSPs.
Can you perhaps expand on your observations, so that we can get
a more detailed response from the developers?
Thanks
Derek
>>> On 2008/05/20 at 11:52, in message <48...@interactive-net.de>, Reinhard Haller <re...@interactive-net.de> wrote:
Hi Kamal,
Kamal Bhatt schrieb:
> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
> documentation is now a mess.
>
I started with cocoon 2.0. If you remember the scope as explained in the
"What is" documentation:
Apache Cocoon is an XML publishing framework
Cocoon 2.2 lacks nearly all prerequisites to fulfill the old promise.
I've no interest to program Java-
components, I want to manipulate XML contents in a structured way (using
XSLT) to present them.
Generators, transformers, actions, serializers should help me to
accomplish tasks difficult to realize in
a pure XSLT environment.
Given the actual documentation it is easier to get the work done with
XSLT than with Cocoon. From
my point of view the developers of 2.2 have lost the user perspective of
their work.
Greetings
Reinhard
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Reinhard Haller <re...@interactive-net.de>.
Hi Kamal,
Kamal Bhatt schrieb:
> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
> documentation is now a mess.
>
I started with cocoon 2.0. If you remember the scope as explained in the
"What is" documentation:
Apache Cocoon is an XML publishing framework
Cocoon 2.2 lacks nearly all prerequisites to fulfill the old promise.
I've no interest to program Java-
components, I want to manipulate XML contents in a structured way (using
XSLT) to present them.
Generators, transformers, actions, serializers should help me to
accomplish tasks difficult to realize in
a pure XSLT environment.
Given the actual documentation it is easier to get the work done with
XSLT than with Cocoon. From
my point of view the developers of 2.2 have lost the user perspective of
their work.
Greetings
Reinhard
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Bruce Atherton <br...@callenish.com>.
Remember that Cocoon is created and maintained by volunteers. People
just like you who had an itch to scratch, and so are devoting some of
their spare time to making Cocoon better.
So what you can do is start creating documentation for 2.2, since it
sounds like that is where your itch is. :-) See the "General
Documentation" section of http://cocoon.apache.org/1273_1_1.html for
information on how to do that. It is quite easy.
Then you can do the copying and pasting you were talking about, and
improve on the results over time.
This message goes for everyone else who sees an issue with the existing
documentation and would like to see it made better (myself included).
When there is a problem like this, we all need to pitch in and help.
That is what open source development is all about.
Reinhard Haller wrote:
> What do you suggest we can really do to help you out of the problem?
>
> Should we use the existing sitemap components documentation to verify
> the function in 2.2 and post the results in JIRA? If so please give a
> little advise of the suggested contents of such a document.
>
> Is there a list with open documentation issues for 2.2 (where users
> can really help you)?
>
> I suggest you post mailing list discussions of public interest in a
> special 2.2 wiki section (specially migration issues) to support us
> until there
> exists a real documentation for new version.
>
> Gretings
> Reinhard
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au>.
Reinhard Haller wrote:
> Grzegorz Kossakowski schrieb:
>>
>> Reinhard, have you seen this document:
>> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1347_1_1.html
>>
> I studied it a little bit this morning, only to find out the copy and
> paste thing isn't working very well for the cocoon documentation.
> Most of the documentation details for the components consist of a "No
> documentation available yet" statement.
>
> The only 2 documented components (Xinclude transformer, SendMail
> transformers) I found in a short overview document
> cocoon 2.1 and prior behaviour. I suppose most of the 2.0/2.1
> documentation about sitemap components ist still incomplete
> but vaild, why not copy it?
>
> Kamal told us the cinclude transformer is deprecated, the
> documentation states nothing. What is fact?
I based this on this message on the mailing list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/users@cocoon.apache.org/msg41666.html
Looking at the message again, I have to apologies because it isn't
actually deprecated, just superceeded (by the Include Transformer)
Also, as I stated in my previous email, you need to look at the Javadoc
for that particular Generator's/Transformer's/Serializer's/Action's
class. For example:
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/apidocs/org/apache/cocoon/transformation/IncludeTransformer.html
Read my previous email a little more carefully for hints on how to make
your life easier in this regard.
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Reinhard Haller <re...@interactive-net.de>.
Grzegorz Kossakowski schrieb:
>
> Reinhard, have you seen this document:
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1347_1_1.html
>
I studied it a little bit this morning, only to find out the copy and
paste thing isn't working very well for the cocoon documentation.
Most of the documentation details for the components consist of a "No
documentation available yet" statement.
The only 2 documented components (Xinclude transformer, SendMail
transformers) I found in a short overview document
cocoon 2.1 and prior behaviour. I suppose most of the 2.0/2.1
documentation about sitemap components ist still incomplete
but vaild, why not copy it?
Kamal told us the cinclude transformer is deprecated, the documentation
states nothing. What is fact?
> I agree that our documentation can be in inconsistent state. The best
> excuse for that I can think of is that we have performed major change
> in the infrastructure behind our docs. I can assure you that it was
> worth it even if not everything is ok now.
> I think that the ball is on your side dear users - just find all
> annoying issues with documentation, report them (the recommended way
> is through JIRA[1] so reports don't get lost) and we'll take care of
> them.
>
What do you suggest we can really do to help you out of the problem?
Should we use the existing sitemap components documentation to verify
the function in 2.2 and post the results in JIRA? If so please give a
little advise of the suggested contents of such a document.
Is there a list with open documentation issues for 2.2 (where users can
really help you)?
I suggest you post mailing list discussions of public interest in a
special 2.2 wiki section (specially migration issues) to support us
until there
exists a real documentation for new version.
Gretings
Reinhard
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Grzegorz Kossakowski <gr...@tuffmail.com>.
Reinhard Haller pisze:
> Hi,
>
> Jeroen Reijn schrieb:
>> Hi Derek,
>>
>> as far as I know (I have not used the cinclude transformer in more
>> then a year) you will only have to change the way you feed parameters
>> to the transformer from your xsl or xml. As i can remember the include
>> transformer does not have a containing parameters element. Everything
>> else should be the same as far as I can remember.
>>
>
> don't forget:: the problem is not whether a specific transformer is
> deprecated or not. It's the complete lack of any documentation about
> any transformer, generator, serializer and their parameters, behaviour,
> concept if you are unwilling to read the Java implementation
> documentation. If the following statement is all we can expect as
> documentation for the core-modules/sitemap-components:
>
> "Implementation of basic actions, modules, some sources, matchers and
> selectors that are used in most Cocoon webapps"
>
> then i can't see any reason to migrate from a bad documentation/user
> experience (2.1) to a even worse one (2.2).
Reinhard, have you seen this document:
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/1347_1_1.html
Granted, this is all confusing because it can be found by clicking at "Cocoon 2.2" (in the top menu)
and then in left navigation you must scroll down to bottom in order to find it. I think this should
be moved to sitemap-components. I guess that is five minutes to do it (not now though, it's already
late here).
I agree that our documentation can be in inconsistent state. The best excuse for that I can think of
is that we have performed major change in the infrastructure behind our docs. I can assure you that
it was worth it even if not everything is ok now.
I think that the ball is on your side dear users - just find all annoying issues with documentation,
report them (the recommended way is through JIRA[1] so reports don't get lost) and we'll take care
of them.
Usually, most of issues that has been reported lately were rather trivial to fix, taking less than
20 minutes to fix. Given that, there is a hope that most of them can be fixed quickly.
I think it's your time to have hands dirty...
PS. Even I'm short on time these days (you probably noticed my decreased activity) I'm constantly
working on some demo app presenting new features of 2.2 in action. I'm already planning to tag a
first release of this gem so you should see a little announcement shortly. Those more curious will
probably have no problem with finding repository on the internet...
[1] http://cocoon.apache.org/1275_1_1.html
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Reinhard Haller <re...@interactive-net.de>.
Hi,
Jeroen Reijn schrieb:
> Hi Derek,
>
> as far as I know (I have not used the cinclude transformer in more
> then a year) you will only have to change the way you feed parameters
> to the transformer from your xsl or xml. As i can remember the include
> transformer does not have a containing parameters element. Everything
> else should be the same as far as I can remember.
>
don't forget:: the problem is not whether a specific transformer is
deprecated or not. It's the complete lack of any documentation about
any transformer, generator, serializer and their parameters, behaviour,
concept if you are unwilling to read the Java implementation
documentation. If the following statement is all we can expect as
documentation for the core-modules/sitemap-components:
"Implementation of basic actions, modules, some sources, matchers and
selectors that are used in most Cocoon webapps"
then i can't see any reason to migrate from a bad documentation/user
experience (2.1) to a even worse one (2.2).
Greetings
Reinhard
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Jeroen Reijn <j....@onehippo.com>.
Hi Derek,
as far as I know (I have not used the cinclude transformer in more then
a year) you will only have to change the way you feed parameters to the
transformer from your xsl or xml. As i can remember the include
transformer does not have a containing parameters element. Everything
else should be the same as far as I can remember.
Regards,
Jeroen
Derek Hohls wrote:
> Is the functionality equivalent? ie I can just change all my "cinclude" tags
> to "include" and things will work as before?
>
>>>> On 2008/05/20 at 04:02, in message <48...@onehippo.com>, Jeroen Reijn <j....@onehippo.com> wrote:
> Hi Derek,
>
> the IncludeTransformer has been favored over the CincludeTransformer for
> a long time as far as I know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeroen
>
>
> Derek Hohls wrote:
>> I am obviously not reading carefully enough...
>> cinclude is deprecated? what is meant to be its replacement??
>>
>> Thanks
>> Derek
>>
>> >>> On 2008/05/20 at 12:23, in message <48...@tt.com.au>,
>> Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au> wrote:
>> Reinhard Haller wrote:
>> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
>> documentation is now a mess.
>> ...
>> Last I looked, most of the functionality was ported across. A lot of
>> things have been deprecated (cinclude, XSP, etc...), so be aware of
>> this. If you want information about migration options, I recommend
>> looking at my various posts last month on Cocoon 2.2 migration. Grzegorz
>> and others discussed all the various migration options.
>>
>> FYI, we have held off on migrating to Cocoon 2.2, but that is not
>> because of Cocoon 2.2s functionality. As frustrating as certain aspects
>> of Cocoon 2.2 can be (confusing documentation being top of the list), I
>> would recommend upgrading to Cocoon 2.2 if only for a saner development
>> environment.
>
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Derek Hohls <DH...@csir.co.za>.
Is the functionality equivalent? ie I can just change all my "cinclude" tags
to "include" and things will work as before?
>>> On 2008/05/20 at 04:02, in message <48...@onehippo.com>, Jeroen Reijn <j....@onehippo.com> wrote:
Hi Derek,
the IncludeTransformer has been favored over the CincludeTransformer for
a long time as far as I know.
Regards,
Jeroen
Derek Hohls wrote:
> I am obviously not reading carefully enough...
> cinclude is deprecated? what is meant to be its replacement??
>
> Thanks
> Derek
>
> >>> On 2008/05/20 at 12:23, in message <48...@tt.com.au>,
> Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au> wrote:
> Reinhard Haller wrote:
> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
> documentation is now a mess.
> ...
> Last I looked, most of the functionality was ported across. A lot of
> things have been deprecated (cinclude, XSP, etc...), so be aware of
> this. If you want information about migration options, I recommend
> looking at my various posts last month on Cocoon 2.2 migration. Grzegorz
> and others discussed all the various migration options.
>
> FYI, we have held off on migrating to Cocoon 2.2, but that is not
> because of Cocoon 2.2s functionality. As frustrating as certain aspects
> of Cocoon 2.2 can be (confusing documentation being top of the list), I
> would recommend upgrading to Cocoon 2.2 if only for a saner development
> environment.
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Jeroen Reijn <j....@onehippo.com>.
Hi Derek,
the IncludeTransformer has been favored over the CincludeTransformer for
a long time as far as I know.
Regards,
Jeroen
Derek Hohls wrote:
> I am obviously not reading carefully enough...
> cinclude is deprecated? what is meant to be its replacement??
>
> Thanks
> Derek
>
> >>> On 2008/05/20 at 12:23, in message <48...@tt.com.au>,
> Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au> wrote:
> Reinhard Haller wrote:
> > Reinhard Pötz schrieb:
> >>
> >> The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
> >> Cocoon 2.2.0.
> > Thanks a lot!
> >>
> >> Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
> >> modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon. (in
> >> comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
> > I'm using many different generators/transformers im the 2.1.10 based
> > webapp. Where do
> > I find the detailed documentation about the needed blocks for
> > xpathdirectory-generator,
> > sourcewriting-transformer, parser-transformer, calendar-generator etc.?
> > Is there a 1:1 mapping of core sitemap components between 2.1.x and 2.2?
> >
> >
> I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
> documentation is now a mess.
>
> Basically, go here:
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/1006_1_1.html
>
> You MAY find what you are looking for under "Sitemap Components". I say
> may because most of the documetentation is actually in the Javadoc.
>
> http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/apidocs/index.html
>
> Basically, work out the class for the transformer you are interested in,
> (from the first URL) then go to the Javadoc.
>
> The "daisy" documentation is better:
>
> http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cdocs/g1/g1/g2/853.html?branch=1&language=1
> <http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cdocs/g1/g1/g2/853.html?branch=1&language=1>
>
> If only because it is annotated and has direct links to the javadoc.
> Unfortunately, it has the same insane structure.
>
> I put the blame on Maven. I know it is more convenient to have
> documentation generated by Maven, but it makes for an appalling website.
> Hopefully, in future releases there may be some effort put into
> reorganise the information so humans can navigate it.
>
> Last I looked, most of the functionality was ported across. A lot of
> things have been deprecated (cinclude, XSP, etc...), so be aware of
> this. If you want information about migration options, I recommend
> looking at my various posts last month on Cocoon 2.2 migration. Grzegorz
> and others discussed all the various migration options.
>
> FYI, we have held off on migrating to Cocoon 2.2, but that is not
> because of Cocoon 2.2s functionality. As frustrating as certain aspects
> of Cocoon 2.2 can be (confusing documentation being top of the list), I
> would recommend upgrading to Cocoon 2.2 if only for a saner development
> environment.
>
>
>
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Derek Hohls <DH...@csir.co.za>.
I am obviously not reading carefully enough...
cinclude is deprecated? what is meant to be its replacement??
Thanks
Derek
>>> On 2008/05/20 at 12:23, in message <48...@tt.com.au>,
Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au> wrote:
Reinhard Haller wrote:
> Reinhard Pötz schrieb:
>>
>> The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
>> Cocoon 2.2.0.
> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
>> modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon.
(in
>> comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
> I'm using many different generators/transformers im the 2.1.10 based
> webapp. Where do
> I find the detailed documentation about the needed blocks for
> xpathdirectory-generator,
> sourcewriting-transformer, parser-transformer, calendar-generator
etc.?
> Is there a 1:1 mapping of core sitemap components between 2.1.x and
2.2?
>
>
I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
documentation is now a mess.
Basically, go here:
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/1006_1_1.html
You MAY find what you are looking for under "Sitemap Components". I
say
may because most of the documetentation is actually in the Javadoc.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/apidocs/index.html
Basically, work out the class for the transformer you are interested
in,
(from the first URL) then go to the Javadoc.
The "daisy" documentation is better:
http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cdocs/g1/g1/g2/853.html?branch=1&language=1
If only because it is annotated and has direct links to the javadoc.
Unfortunately, it has the same insane structure.
I put the blame on Maven. I know it is more convenient to have
documentation generated by Maven, but it makes for an appalling
website.
Hopefully, in future releases there may be some effort put into
reorganise the information so humans can navigate it.
Last I looked, most of the functionality was ported across. A lot of
things have been deprecated (cinclude, XSP, etc...), so be aware of
this. If you want information about migration options, I recommend
looking at my various posts last month on Cocoon 2.2 migration.
Grzegorz
and others discussed all the various migration options.
FYI, we have held off on migrating to Cocoon 2.2, but that is not
because of Cocoon 2.2s functionality. As frustrating as certain aspects
of Cocoon 2.2 can be (confusing documentation being top of the list), I
would recommend upgrading to Cocoon 2.2 if only for a saner development
environment.
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Kamal Bhatt <kb...@tt.com.au>.
Reinhard Haller wrote:
> Reinhard Pötz schrieb:
>>
>> The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
>> Cocoon 2.2.0.
> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
>> modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon. (in
>> comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
> I'm using many different generators/transformers im the 2.1.10 based
> webapp. Where do
> I find the detailed documentation about the needed blocks for
> xpathdirectory-generator,
> sourcewriting-transformer, parser-transformer, calendar-generator etc.?
> Is there a 1:1 mapping of core sitemap components between 2.1.x and 2.2?
>
>
I had a rant about this about a month back. Basically, Cocoon
documentation is now a mess.
Basically, go here:
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/1006_1_1.html
You MAY find what you are looking for under "Sitemap Components". I say
may because most of the documetentation is actually in the Javadoc.
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/core-modules/core/2.2/apidocs/index.html
Basically, work out the class for the transformer you are interested in,
(from the first URL) then go to the Javadoc.
The "daisy" documentation is better:
http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cdocs/g1/g1/g2/853.html?branch=1&language=1
If only because it is annotated and has direct links to the javadoc.
Unfortunately, it has the same insane structure.
I put the blame on Maven. I know it is more convenient to have
documentation generated by Maven, but it makes for an appalling website.
Hopefully, in future releases there may be some effort put into
reorganise the information so humans can navigate it.
Last I looked, most of the functionality was ported across. A lot of
things have been deprecated (cinclude, XSP, etc...), so be aware of
this. If you want information about migration options, I recommend
looking at my various posts last month on Cocoon 2.2 migration. Grzegorz
and others discussed all the various migration options.
FYI, we have held off on migrating to Cocoon 2.2, but that is not
because of Cocoon 2.2s functionality. As frustrating as certain aspects
of Cocoon 2.2 can be (confusing documentation being top of the list), I
would recommend upgrading to Cocoon 2.2 if only for a saner development
environment.
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Re: [ANN] Apache Cocoon 2.2.0 Released
Posted by Reinhard Haller <re...@interactive-net.de>.
Reinhard Pötz schrieb:
>
> The Apache Cocoon Community is proud to announce the release of
> Cocoon 2.2.0.
Thanks a lot!
>
> Cocoon 2.2 introduces the idea of blocks. A block is the unit of
> modularization in Cocoon, allowing the framework to be built upon. (in
> comparison: Eclipse uses the term plugins, OSGi uses bundles).
I'm using many different generators/transformers im the 2.1.10 based
webapp. Where do
I find the detailed documentation about the needed blocks for
xpathdirectory-generator,
sourcewriting-transformer, parser-transformer, calendar-generator etc.?
Is there a 1:1 mapping of core sitemap components between 2.1.x and 2.2?
Thanks
Reinhard Haller
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