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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Hi Mark,
- I think an overview of thenew features of Tomcat 7 would be great
- Fillip did a talk about the new Servlet Specs 3.0
- Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
- I very much liked the talk "becoming a tomcat superuser"
Mark, I wrote a mail to Fillip since his presentations of the
ApacheCon EU (Servlet 3.0 etc.) are not available via the
ApacheCon-website, however, seems as if my mail went straight into
Fillip's Spam-folder. Could you maybe ask him if he could provide his
slight from the last ApachCon? And please /not/ on slideshare.net:
1st, I don't like to register there, 2nd, I'd actually like to avoid
installing Flash...
Cheers
Gregor
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by Gregor Schneider <rc...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Mark,
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> The conference organisers took copies of our slides and promised us they
> would upload them for us. Oh well. I uploaded mine myself. I'll see if
> Filip can do the same.
>
well, on some talks the guys having the chair made sure that the
slides went onto a USB-stick which then was passed to the organisators
for being put on the ApacheCon-website.
Fillip actually passed a USB-stick with his slides on among the
attendees, unfortunately that stick never made it to my place.
If you go to the ApacheCon-Website, you'll find quite some session
where it says "No material available"..
Cheers
Gregor
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@gmail.com>.
Rainer Jung wrote:
> On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Gregor Schneider wrote:
>>> - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
>>> the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
>> Any takers for presenting this?
>
> Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
> is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
> committee decide :)
>
> Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
> proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
> Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
> not get the answers they are seeking (to many "it depends" without
> really explaining how you decide).
>
> So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
> we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
> precious time ressources to this topic.
May be we need a frond-end presentation with more than one speaker (I
will be happy to make a mod_proxy one.
Cheers
Jean-Frederic
>
> Regards,
>
> Rainer
>
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RE: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want
tosee at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by "Caldarale, Charles R" <Ch...@unisys.com>.
> From: André Warnier [mailto:aw@ice-sa.com]
> Subject: Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you
> want tosee at ApacheCon US 2009?
>
> Although if someone suggested that I participate as moderator
> to the session, and offered to pay my travel expenses, I might
> possibly find a slot in my busy schedule.
What if I buy you a beer (or chocolate)?
- Chuck
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
Mark Thomas wrote:
> Rainer Jung wrote:
>> On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> Gregor Schneider wrote:
>>>> - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
>>>> the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
>>> Any takers for presenting this?
>> Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
>> is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
>> committee decide :)
>>
>> Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
>> proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
>> Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
>> not get the answers they are seeking (to many "it depends" without
>> really explaining how you decide).
>>
>> So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
>> we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
>> precious time ressources to this topic.
>
> How about a BOF session one evening where we can have more of a discussion?
>
Hi guys.
I realise that this is a discussion on the Tomcat list, and that the
subject of ApacheCON presentations was brought up by Mark.
Also, I'm probably not going to personally attend ApacheCON US (a bit
far and expensive), so my suggestion is purely platonic. (*)
This being said/written, there was a specific reason why I was
suggesting this topic as both broad, and involving httpd as well as
Tomcat experts, (and of course connector experts to sit in-between them).
But it may depend on the kind of expected attendees of an ApacheCON US
conference, of which I have no idea.
The reason for the broadness is as follows :
I believe that there are many more users/sysadmins/integrators of Apache
httpd and Tomcat, than there are developers in each specific area.
And, going from the users mailing lists of both Apache httpd and Tomcat,
the first kind of question which the first category has, are broad
questions of the kind : "I would like to set up a configuration such
that users call up URLs like so and so, and this results in requests
being forwarded/balanced so an so to 3 backend Tomcat applications with
URLs like so and so. What do I need to use for that ?".
And what they are looking for, is some criteria and guidance as to what
to choose among the different techniques available among the ones that
exist within the broad Apache (ASF) palette (and maybe even outside of
it), to get the job done.
Not to say that there would not be a need for some session dedicated to
drilling deeper into the pings and pong timeouts of mod_jk per se, but
it's a different kind of issue, and different kind of presentation than
what I had in mind.
I attended ApacheCON in Amsterdam, and loved it. The sessions which I
attended were extremely interesting and they were of the
one-intensive-subject kind. One mildly frustrating aspect however, was
that often there were several subjects I was interested in, but I could
not go to all of them because the interesting sessions (for me) were
often simultaneous.
On the other hand, I was a bit surprised that there were basically no
sessions (or very few) where several of these ASF tools were presented
together in combination, as a means to an end.
My proposal was something in that direction. I realise that considering
the breadth of scope of the ASF projects nowadays, it is not possible to
cover them all in one session, never mind finding the universally
competent speakers. But the httpd+connector+Tomcat combination seems to
be an almost ideal case, as it probably also represents 75% of the
real-world configurations out there.
Maybe a 2-hour session toward the beginning of the conference, to
provide some general orientation, to be followed later on by sessions
more dedicated to one aspect, when people see more clearly what they
want or need.
That wasn't really a 3-sentence summary, was it ?
André
(*) Although if someone suggested that I participate as moderator to the
session, and offered to pay my travel expenses, I might possibly find a
slot in my busy schedule.
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Rainer Jung wrote:
> On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> Gregor Schneider wrote:
>>> - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
>>> the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
>> Any takers for presenting this?
>
> Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
> is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
> committee decide :)
>
> Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
> proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
> Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
> not get the answers they are seeking (to many "it depends" without
> really explaining how you decide).
>
> So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
> we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
> precious time ressources to this topic.
How about a BOF session one evening where we can have more of a discussion?
Mark
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by Rainer Jung <ra...@kippdata.de>.
On 16.04.2009 12:44, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Gregor Schneider wrote:
>> - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
>> the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
> Any takers for presenting this?
Not sure, whether this is too specific for ApacheCon, but yes, if there
is interest, I could give the talk. I'll submit a proposal and let the
committee decide :)
Concerning the proposal about a joined talk for httpd and mod_jk reverse
proxy solutions: putting all this into one slot will be very dificult.
Then we would need to keep it an overview thing and again people might
not get the answers they are seeking (to many "it depends" without
really explaining how you decide).
So I prefer to do either a more specific talk (like one on mod_jk), or
we would need two adjacent time slots. The latter gives maybe to much
precious time ressources to this topic.
Regards,
Rainer
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Re: What Tomcat presentations / demos / discussions do you want to
see at ApacheCon US 2009?
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Gregor Schneider wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> - I think an overview of thenew features of Tomcat 7 would be great
Mladen was talking about presenting a "Tomcat community overview" I'll
let him give some more details on that.
> - Fillip did a talk about the new Servlet Specs 3.0
I think he included that in the CFP but good to know there is interest :)
> - Concerning how often questions regarding mod_jk are showing up in
> the list: mod_jk - HowTo / Best practices
Any takers for presenting this?
> - I very much liked the talk "becoming a tomcat superuser"
It was included in the CFP. Happy to do it again.
> Mark, I wrote a mail to Fillip since his presentations of the
> ApacheCon EU (Servlet 3.0 etc.) are not available via the
> ApacheCon-website, however, seems as if my mail went straight into
> Fillip's Spam-folder. Could you maybe ask him if he could provide his
> slight from the last ApachCon? And please /not/ on slideshare.net:
> 1st, I don't like to register there, 2nd, I'd actually like to avoid
> installing Flash...
The conference organisers took copies of our slides and promised us they
would upload them for us. Oh well. I uploaded mine myself. I'll see if
Filip can do the same.
Mark
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