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Posted to dev@felix.apache.org by Ersin Er <er...@gmail.com> on 2006/03/09 21:22:33 UTC
ESB vs. OSGi
Hi all,
Can someone make the picture more clear about differences/similarities
between Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
Thanks.
--
Ersin
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by "Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>.
Ersin Er wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> Can someone make the picture more clear about
>>> differences/similarities between Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
>>>
>>
>> What are the similarities and differences between sculpture and
>> Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University and
>> buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
>>
>> --- Noel
> I do not mean that they serve for same purposes but there seem to be
> some conceptual similarities. One of them may be built on top of the
> other. Especially the service registering concept is similar. Now I've
> googled and got some answers, for example:
> http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/corona/
>
> This does not mean they are same/similar but it seems that they may
> meet somewhere.
In a non-straightforward way, I think that this is the point that was
being made, that one can be created with the other...perhaps.
-> richard
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by Ersin Er <er...@gmail.com>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Can someone make the picture more clear about differences/similarities
>> between Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
>>
>
> What are the similarities and differences between sculpture and Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University and buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
>
> --- Noel
I do not mean that they serve for same purposes but there seem to be
some conceptual similarities. One of them may be built on top of the
other. Especially the service registering concept is similar. Now I've
googled and got some answers, for example:
http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/corona/
This does not mean they are same/similar but it seems that they may meet
somewhere.
Cheers,
--
Ersin
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by Ersin Er <er...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
FYI, I've not been insulted by Noel's or any other response in this
thread and I've understood what Noel has intended to explain. All are
good guys here, so no problem at all ;-)
Thank you Noel, Rob, and all others for your interest, really.
Cheers,
--
Ersin
Rob Walker wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
>>> Can someone make the picture more clear about
>>> differences/similarities between Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
>>>
>>
>> What are the similarities and differences between sculpture and
>> Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University and
>> buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
>>
>>
>>
> Sorry Noel - but that is rude and unhelpful. You may believe this
> question was irrelevant or not sensible, but that doesn't mean that
> others would - nor does it mean it deserves anything other than a
> curteous response.
>
> -- Rob
>
> Ascert - Taking systems to the Edge
> robw@ascert.com
> +44 (0)20 7488 3470
> www.ascert.com
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net>.
Eelco Hillenius wrote:
> I thought that reply was actually quite funny. C'mon, we're all grown
> ups here, we should be able to deal with a witty remark like that now
> and then :)
>
>
Hehe agreed! All are swell guys on this list.
BTW nice to see you here for a change Eelco.
Alex
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by Eelco Hillenius <ee...@gmail.com>.
I thought that reply was actually quite funny. C'mon, we're all grown
ups here, we should be able to deal with a witty remark like that now
and then :)
Eelco
> On 3/10/06, Rob Walker <ro...@ascert.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm sorry if you took it that way, but if you look at both my reply and Ersin Er's response to it, I believe that he understood it in the intended spirit.
> >
> >
> I did - and I wasn't alone in reading it that way. Others have commented
> to me that they felt your reply was rude and unhelpful - I just beat
> them to the punch in saying so.
>
> >Each of my examples *did* have a connection. In all cases, one is a general purpose item that could be, but need not be, part of the construction of the other. In the same manner, an ESB is a concept for unified messaging systems. OSGi is a system for building and managing applications built out of pluggable (Java) packages. I might well use OSGi in the development of an ESB. Or not. An ESB can be made in many ways, and OSGi can be used as the foundation of many applications.
> >
> >So that is how I would first look at the similarities and differences, but that might not be the same sorts of categories being seen by Ersin. There are many ways to categorize things, and those will determine how we see them as similar or dissimilar. In his reply to me, he started to identify more specifically what he was getting at, e.g., both have some ostensibly related concepts such as service registeration. Once we identify such concepts, we can consider how each might approach those conceptual areas in similar and different manners. That will be easier for OSGi, since it actually has a specification, whereas an ESB is really a concept, without nearly as fixed a form.
> >
> >
> This is a much nicer and less barbed way of wording it in IMHO.
>
> By citing specific comparisons here, and not using a rhetorical question
> your tone comes across as imparting useful information - not merely
> wagging a knowing a finger at the person posing the question.
>
> -- Rob
>
>
> Ascert - Taking systems to the Edge
> robw@ascert.com
> +44 (0)20 7488 3470
> www.ascert.com
>
>
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by Rob Walker <ro...@ascert.com>.
>I'm sorry if you took it that way, but if you look at both my reply and Ersin Er's response to it, I believe that he understood it in the intended spirit.
>
>
I did - and I wasn't alone in reading it that way. Others have commented
to me that they felt your reply was rude and unhelpful - I just beat
them to the punch in saying so.
>Each of my examples *did* have a connection. In all cases, one is a general purpose item that could be, but need not be, part of the construction of the other. In the same manner, an ESB is a concept for unified messaging systems. OSGi is a system for building and managing applications built out of pluggable (Java) packages. I might well use OSGi in the development of an ESB. Or not. An ESB can be made in many ways, and OSGi can be used as the foundation of many applications.
>
>So that is how I would first look at the similarities and differences, but that might not be the same sorts of categories being seen by Ersin. There are many ways to categorize things, and those will determine how we see them as similar or dissimilar. In his reply to me, he started to identify more specifically what he was getting at, e.g., both have some ostensibly related concepts such as service registeration. Once we identify such concepts, we can consider how each might approach those conceptual areas in similar and different manners. That will be easier for OSGi, since it actually has a specification, whereas an ESB is really a concept, without nearly as fixed a form.
>
>
This is a much nicer and less barbed way of wording it in IMHO.
By citing specific comparisons here, and not using a rhetorical question
your tone comes across as imparting useful information - not merely
wagging a knowing a finger at the person posing the question.
-- Rob
Ascert - Taking systems to the Edge
robw@ascert.com
+44 (0)20 7488 3470
www.ascert.com
RE: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
John E. Conlon wrote:
> The last relationship of the sequence is reversed - it should be
> 'Between an Office Suite and Java'
LOL Yeah, I saw. Sorry. :-)
--- Noel
RE: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by "John E. Conlon" <jc...@verticon.com>.
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 09:48 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Rob Walker wrote:
>
> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > > Can someone make the picture more clear about
> > > > differences/similarities between Enterprise
> > > > Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
>
> > > What are the similarities and differences between sculpture
> > > and Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University
> > > and buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
>
> > Sorry Noel - but that is rude and unhelpful. You may believe this
> > question was irrelevant or not sensible, but that doesn't mean that
> > others would - nor does it mean it deserves anything other than a
> > curteous response.
>
> I'm sorry if you took it that way, but if you look at both my reply and Ersin Er's response to it, I believe that he understood it in the intended spirit.
>
> Each of my examples *did* have a connection. In all cases, one is a general purpose item that could be, but need not be, part of the construction of the other. In the same manner, an ESB is a concept for unified messaging systems. OSGi is a system for building and managing applications built out of pluggable (Java) packages. I might well use OSGi in the development of an ESB. Or not. An ESB can be made in many ways, and OSGi can be used as the foundation of many applications.
>
> So that is how I would first look at the similarities and differences, but that might not be the same sorts of categories being seen by Ersin. There are many ways to categorize things, and those will determine how we see them as similar or dissimilar. In his reply to me, he started to identify more specifically what he was getting at, e.g., both have some ostensibly related concepts such as service registeration. Once we identify such concepts, we can consider how each might approach those conceptual areas in similar and different manners. That will be easier for OSGi, since it actually has a specification, whereas an ESB is really a concept, without nearly as fixed a form.
>
> --- Noel
The last relationship of the sequence is reversed - it should be
'Between an Office Suite and Java'
- Albertus Magnus;-)
RE: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Rob Walker wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > Can someone make the picture more clear about
> > > differences/similarities between Enterprise
> > > Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
> > What are the similarities and differences between sculpture
> > and Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University
> > and buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
> Sorry Noel - but that is rude and unhelpful. You may believe this
> question was irrelevant or not sensible, but that doesn't mean that
> others would - nor does it mean it deserves anything other than a
> curteous response.
I'm sorry if you took it that way, but if you look at both my reply and Ersin Er's response to it, I believe that he understood it in the intended spirit.
Each of my examples *did* have a connection. In all cases, one is a general purpose item that could be, but need not be, part of the construction of the other. In the same manner, an ESB is a concept for unified messaging systems. OSGi is a system for building and managing applications built out of pluggable (Java) packages. I might well use OSGi in the development of an ESB. Or not. An ESB can be made in many ways, and OSGi can be used as the foundation of many applications.
So that is how I would first look at the similarities and differences, but that might not be the same sorts of categories being seen by Ersin. There are many ways to categorize things, and those will determine how we see them as similar or dissimilar. In his reply to me, he started to identify more specifically what he was getting at, e.g., both have some ostensibly related concepts such as service registeration. Once we identify such concepts, we can consider how each might approach those conceptual areas in similar and different manners. That will be easier for OSGi, since it actually has a specification, whereas an ESB is really a concept, without nearly as fixed a form.
--- Noel
Re: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by Rob Walker <ro...@ascert.com>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>Can someone make the picture more clear about differences/similarities
>>between Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
>>
>>
>
>What are the similarities and differences between sculpture and Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University and buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
>
>
>
Sorry Noel - but that is rude and unhelpful. You may believe this
question was irrelevant or not sensible, but that doesn't mean that
others would - nor does it mean it deserves anything other than a
curteous response.
-- Rob
Ascert - Taking systems to the Edge
robw@ascert.com
+44 (0)20 7488 3470
www.ascert.com
RE: ESB vs. OSGi
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Can someone make the picture more clear about differences/similarities
> between Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) and OSGi?
What are the similarities and differences between sculpture and Lego? Between a house and wood? Between a University and buildings? Between Java and an Office Suite?
--- Noel