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Posted to httpclient-users@hc.apache.org by Christopher BROWN <br...@reflexe.fr> on 2015/01/07 22:30:05 UTC
HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Hello,
Is there a roadmap for HTTP 2.0 support for Apache HTTP client?
For example, binary headers, multiplexing...
Just wondering ; I tried searching but I got too many irrelevant hits with
my search terms...
Thanks,
Christopher
Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 10:20 -0700, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> On 1/9/2015 2:41 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > Shawn,
> >
> > I can work on HC in my spare time only. Even if I quit my day job and
> > divorce my wife I am not sure HTTP/2.0 in HC by the end of February is
> > realistic. The best case scenario would be having BETA quality support
> > for HTTP/2.0 by the end of year.
> >
> > Oleg
>
> I would never make any actual demands of your time, I'm just conveying
> my opinion that I think it's really important. Thank you for everything
> you have done and anything you may do in the future. If there is any
> way my limited http skillset and nonexistent understanding of the
> codebase can be helpful, I am willing.
>
> Other people are likely to be more insistent and demanding once the spec
> is published. :)
>
> Shawn
>
Hi Shawn
There are enough folks involved in this project who contribute to
development of higher level components such as the caching module or
specific auth schemes without getting exposed too much to the lower
level transport components. My involvement in this project started with
development of cookie specs until I got sucked into development of low
level stuff. If you are interested, willing and have some spare
bandwidth there will always be something you could contribute to
depending on your individual inclinations.
Cheers
Oleg
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Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org>.
On 1/9/2015 2:41 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Shawn,
>
> I can work on HC in my spare time only. Even if I quit my day job and
> divorce my wife I am not sure HTTP/2.0 in HC by the end of February is
> realistic. The best case scenario would be having BETA quality support
> for HTTP/2.0 by the end of year.
>
> Oleg
I would never make any actual demands of your time, I'm just conveying
my opinion that I think it's really important. Thank you for everything
you have done and anything you may do in the future. If there is any
way my limited http skillset and nonexistent understanding of the
codebase can be helpful, I am willing.
Other people are likely to be more insistent and demanding once the spec
is published. :)
Shawn
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Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 23:15 -0700, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> On 1/8/2015 5:28 PM, Stefan Magnus Landrø wrote:
> > Maybe consider jetty instead?
> >
> > https://github.com/eclipse/jetty.project/blob/jetty-http2/jetty-http2/http2-client/src/test/java/org/eclipse/jetty/http2/client/Client.java
>
> For an Apache project like Solr (which uses HttpClient and is my primary
> reason for being here), I see two problems with that idea:
>
> One problem is the "eating your own dog food" argument -- if software
> from an Apache project fits all of the requirements and has no
> significant disadvantages compared to a competitor, we should choose to
> use the software from Apache. Both projects are likely to benefit.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
>
> The other problem is that switching to a completely different http
> client would likely involve significant development time, both for the
> switch itself and for fixing the inevitable bugs that are a direct result.
>
> Seeing that competing projects are already focusing effort on HTTP/2 is
> even more reason to accelerate HttpClient towards HTTP/2.
>
> Even Oracle has fairly concrete plans for a new client in Java itself:
>
> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8042950
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
Shawn,
I can work on HC in my spare time only. Even if I quit my day job and
divorce my wife I am not sure HTTP/2.0 in HC by the end of February is
realistic. The best case scenario would be having BETA quality support
for HTTP/2.0 by the end of year.
Oleg
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Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org>.
On 1/8/2015 5:28 PM, Stefan Magnus Landrø wrote:
> Maybe consider jetty instead?
>
> https://github.com/eclipse/jetty.project/blob/jetty-http2/jetty-http2/http2-client/src/test/java/org/eclipse/jetty/http2/client/Client.java
For an Apache project like Solr (which uses HttpClient and is my primary
reason for being here), I see two problems with that idea:
One problem is the "eating your own dog food" argument -- if software
from an Apache project fits all of the requirements and has no
significant disadvantages compared to a competitor, we should choose to
use the software from Apache. Both projects are likely to benefit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
The other problem is that switching to a completely different http
client would likely involve significant development time, both for the
switch itself and for fixing the inevitable bugs that are a direct result.
Seeing that competing projects are already focusing effort on HTTP/2 is
even more reason to accelerate HttpClient towards HTTP/2.
Even Oracle has fairly concrete plans for a new client in Java itself:
https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8042950
Thanks,
Shawn
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Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Stefan Magnus Landrø <st...@gmail.com>.
Maybe consider jetty instead?
https://github.com/eclipse/jetty.project/blob/jetty-http2/jetty-http2/http2-client/src/test/java/org/eclipse/jetty/http2/client/Client.java
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> Den 8. jan. 2015 kl. 23.28 skrev Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org>:
>
>> On 1/8/2015 7:20 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
>> There is no concrete roadmap for HTTP/2.0 yet. An immediate objective is
>> full compliance with the latest HTTP/1.1 spec (RFC 7230 and related)
>>
>> https://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/HttpComponentsRoadmap
>
> Recently I read through the draft RFC for HTTP/2.0. Once everybody has
> stable and optimized implementations, the average Internet experience
> (and a lot of behind-the-scenes infrastructure that use HTTP) will
> improve quite a lot. It looks really awesome.
>
> It will be a major development effort to reach a stable 2.0 implementation.
>
> The current schedule says that the final RFC will be published in
> February 2015, which is quite a lot sooner than I thought.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/2#Development_milestones
>
> IMHO, work on the implementation should be underway already, so that
> there is an initial implementation available by the time the RFC is
> published. That's easy for me to say, since I am not qualified for the
> work. If I had any idea how to write code that functions at such a low
> level, I would have already sent some ideas to Oleg!
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
>
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Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Shawn Heisey <ap...@elyograg.org>.
On 1/8/2015 7:20 AM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> There is no concrete roadmap for HTTP/2.0 yet. An immediate objective is
> full compliance with the latest HTTP/1.1 spec (RFC 7230 and related)
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/HttpComponentsRoadmap
Recently I read through the draft RFC for HTTP/2.0. Once everybody has
stable and optimized implementations, the average Internet experience
(and a lot of behind-the-scenes infrastructure that use HTTP) will
improve quite a lot. It looks really awesome.
It will be a major development effort to reach a stable 2.0 implementation.
The current schedule says that the final RFC will be published in
February 2015, which is quite a lot sooner than I thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP/2#Development_milestones
IMHO, work on the implementation should be underway already, so that
there is an initial implementation available by the time the RFC is
published. That's easy for me to say, since I am not qualified for the
work. If I had any idea how to write code that functions at such a low
level, I would have already sent some ideas to Oleg!
Thanks,
Shawn
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Re: HTTP 2 and Apache HTTP client
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 22:30 +0100, Christopher BROWN wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a roadmap for HTTP 2.0 support for Apache HTTP client?
>
There is no concrete roadmap for HTTP/2.0 yet. An immediate objective is
full compliance with the latest HTTP/1.1 spec (RFC 7230 and related)
https://wiki.apache.org/HttpComponents/HttpComponentsRoadmap
Oleg
> For example, binary headers, multiplexing...
>
> Just wondering ; I tried searching but I got too many irrelevant hits with
> my search terms...
>
> Thanks,
> Christopher
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