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Posted to dev@geode.apache.org by Greg Chase <gr...@apache.org> on 2016/07/01 04:20:46 UTC
Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Dear Geode community,
I see the Apache Geode website got tagged with a minor branding concern in
a recent audit of incubating projects.
See the wiki entry here:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016
See start of the thread in general@incubator.apache.org here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201606.mbox/%3CCAOqetn-c49sfXSMck8hx%3DjGZQEw6paEmbdtMg32meLkHKcTPnQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
Basically the Apache & Apache incubator logos, and the incubator disclaimer
are not prominent enough, but at least they are present.
Next time we look at a website update, we might see how we can make these
more obvious.
Suggestions are welcome on this thread.
-Greg
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Joey McAllister <jm...@pivotal.io>.
I like that idea, though I also think the idea is to keep the Apache Geode
branding on the page as the readers scrolls down. Maybe we could have them
side by side? Or have the incubator (later Apache) logo at the top and fade
into the Apache Geode as it scrolls? That might be too complicated for our
design, but it would put the Apache logo at the top as soon as the page
loads.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:49 AM Swapnil Bawaskar <sb...@pivotal.io>
wrote:
> +1
> We should replace the Apache Geode logo that fades-in when you scroll the
> page (http://i.imgur.com/XA6SvHb.png) with the feather. (Hope this is what
> Roman means by "menu bar on the left")
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Anthony Baker <ab...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> > ++1 and thanks for the thoughtful feedback.
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > IANAD but why not put it into the menu banner on the left?
> > >
> > > IMHO, this will be a much more visually appealing layout.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
> > >>> incorporate the Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page,
> > with
> > >>> the aim of replacing it with one of the Apache feather logos when it
> > >>> graduates to a TLP.
> > >>>
> > >>> Niall
> > >>>
> >
> >
>
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Swapnil Bawaskar <sb...@pivotal.io>.
+1
We should replace the Apache Geode logo that fades-in when you scroll the
page (http://i.imgur.com/XA6SvHb.png) with the feather. (Hope this is what
Roman means by "menu bar on the left")
On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Anthony Baker <ab...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> ++1 and thanks for the thoughtful feedback.
>
> Anthony
>
> > On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > IANAD but why not put it into the menu banner on the left?
> >
> > IMHO, this will be a much more visually appealing layout.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> >>>
> >>> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
> >>> incorporate the Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page,
> with
> >>> the aim of replacing it with one of the Apache feather logos when it
> >>> graduates to a TLP.
> >>>
> >>> Niall
> >>>
>
>
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Anthony Baker <ab...@pivotal.io>.
++1 and thanks for the thoughtful feedback.
Anthony
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
> IANAD but why not put it into the menu banner on the left?
>
> IMHO, this will be a much more visually appealing layout.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
>>>
>>> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
>>> incorporate the Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with
>>> the aim of replacing it with one of the Apache feather logos when it
>>> graduates to a TLP.
>>>
>>> Niall
>>>
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
IANAD but why not put it into the menu banner on the left?
IMHO, this will be a much more visually appealing layout.
Thanks,
Roman.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:14 PM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> Thanks Niall for the feedback.
>
> Would something like this be good enough ? http://imgur.com/8nGYiKE
>
> It would be only in the index/home page and we would keep the incubator
> reference in the footer for other pages.
>
> This would be a very simple change without breaking the overall layout...
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > We had a similar feedback from Niall during the first rollout of the
>> > > website and then we increased the font-size of the disclaimer and the
>> > size
>> > > of the incubator logo.
>> > >
>> > > I'd agree with Dave and we should definitely improve but with a more
>> > proper
>> > > specifics to nail it.
>> >
>> >
>> > The reviewer admits there is not a consensus on what a more specific
>> > guideline should be. Personally I think our rendering should be
>> sufficient
>> > in absence of that consensus. To do more things would require pretty
>> > significant changes to our web design concept.
>> >
>>
>> I think its worth thinking about this from a TLP rather than incubator
>> perspective. Apache identity is symbolized by the feather and IMO the
>> projects that best embrace Apache and its branding do one of two things.
>> They either 1) incorporate the feather in their project logo or 2) they
>> display the Apache logo prominently at the top on their website. There are
>> alot of examples of projects that haven't done either of these things and
>> TBH I don't understand why they seem to "hide" their Apache identity. As
>> geode's logo doesn't incorporate the logo, then I would love to see Geode
>> going down the second route. Below are two lists of projects that have gone
>> this route (the first using the current Apache feather, the second using
>> older designs).
>>
>> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
>> incorporate the Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with
>> the aim of replacing it with one of the Apache feather logos when it
>> graduates to a TLP.
>>
>> Niall
>>
>> Projects using latest Feather logos:
>> http://archiva.apache.org/index.cgi
>> http://arrow.apache.org/
>> http://cayenne.apache.org/
>> http://chemistry.apache.org/
>> http://jmeter.apache.org/
>> http://jspwiki.apache.org/
>> http://olingo.apache.org/
>> http://oltu.apache.org/
>> http://oozie.apache.org/
>> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
>> http://poi.apache.org/
>> http://reef.apache.org/
>> http://serf.apache.org/
>> http://servicemix.apache.org/
>> http://sling.apache.org/
>> http://subversion.apache.org/
>> http://tomcat.apache.org/
>> http://zest.apache.org/
>>
>> Projects using older Feather logos:
>> http://activemq.apache.org/
>> http://any23.apache.org/
>> http://aries.apache.org/
>> http://bigtop.apache.org/
>> http://camel.apache.org/
>> http://cocoon.apache.org/
>> http://creadur.apache.org/
>> http://crunch.apache.org/
>> http://curator.apache.org/
>> http://cxf.apache.org/
>> http://empire-db.apache.org/
>> http://falcon.apache.org/
>> http://felix.apache.org/
>> http://flex.apache.org/
>> http://flume.apache.org/
>> http://helix.apache.org/
>> http://james.apache.org/
>> http://lens.apache.org/
>> http://logging.apache.org/
>> http://myfaces.apache.org/
>> http://openjpa.apache.org/
>> http://opennlp.apache.org/
>> http://pivot.apache.org/
>> http://portals.apache.org/
>> http://santuario.apache.org/
>> http://sqoop.apache.org/
>> http://struts.apache.org/
>> http://tajo.apache.org/
>> http://tika.apache.org/
>> http://uima.apache.org/
>> http://vcl.apache.org/
>> http://vxquery.apache.org/
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ~/William
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>.
Thanks Niall for the feedback.
Would something like this be good enough ? http://imgur.com/8nGYiKE
It would be only in the index/home page and we would keep the incubator
reference in the footer for other pages.
This would be a very simple change without breaking the overall layout...
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We had a similar feedback from Niall during the first rollout of the
> > > website and then we increased the font-size of the disclaimer and the
> > size
> > > of the incubator logo.
> > >
> > > I'd agree with Dave and we should definitely improve but with a more
> > proper
> > > specifics to nail it.
> >
> >
> > The reviewer admits there is not a consensus on what a more specific
> > guideline should be. Personally I think our rendering should be
> sufficient
> > in absence of that consensus. To do more things would require pretty
> > significant changes to our web design concept.
> >
>
> I think its worth thinking about this from a TLP rather than incubator
> perspective. Apache identity is symbolized by the feather and IMO the
> projects that best embrace Apache and its branding do one of two things.
> They either 1) incorporate the feather in their project logo or 2) they
> display the Apache logo prominently at the top on their website. There are
> alot of examples of projects that haven't done either of these things and
> TBH I don't understand why they seem to "hide" their Apache identity. As
> geode's logo doesn't incorporate the logo, then I would love to see Geode
> going down the second route. Below are two lists of projects that have gone
> this route (the first using the current Apache feather, the second using
> older designs).
>
> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
> incorporate the Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with
> the aim of replacing it with one of the Apache feather logos when it
> graduates to a TLP.
>
> Niall
>
> Projects using latest Feather logos:
> http://archiva.apache.org/index.cgi
> http://arrow.apache.org/
> http://cayenne.apache.org/
> http://chemistry.apache.org/
> http://jmeter.apache.org/
> http://jspwiki.apache.org/
> http://olingo.apache.org/
> http://oltu.apache.org/
> http://oozie.apache.org/
> http://openmeetings.apache.org/
> http://poi.apache.org/
> http://reef.apache.org/
> http://serf.apache.org/
> http://servicemix.apache.org/
> http://sling.apache.org/
> http://subversion.apache.org/
> http://tomcat.apache.org/
> http://zest.apache.org/
>
> Projects using older Feather logos:
> http://activemq.apache.org/
> http://any23.apache.org/
> http://aries.apache.org/
> http://bigtop.apache.org/
> http://camel.apache.org/
> http://cocoon.apache.org/
> http://creadur.apache.org/
> http://crunch.apache.org/
> http://curator.apache.org/
> http://cxf.apache.org/
> http://empire-db.apache.org/
> http://falcon.apache.org/
> http://felix.apache.org/
> http://flex.apache.org/
> http://flume.apache.org/
> http://helix.apache.org/
> http://james.apache.org/
> http://lens.apache.org/
> http://logging.apache.org/
> http://myfaces.apache.org/
> http://openjpa.apache.org/
> http://opennlp.apache.org/
> http://pivot.apache.org/
> http://portals.apache.org/
> http://santuario.apache.org/
> http://sqoop.apache.org/
> http://struts.apache.org/
> http://tajo.apache.org/
> http://tika.apache.org/
> http://uima.apache.org/
> http://vcl.apache.org/
> http://vxquery.apache.org/
>
--
~/William
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
>
> > We had a similar feedback from Niall during the first rollout of the
> > website and then we increased the font-size of the disclaimer and the
> size
> > of the incubator logo.
> >
> > I'd agree with Dave and we should definitely improve but with a more
> proper
> > specifics to nail it.
>
>
> The reviewer admits there is not a consensus on what a more specific
> guideline should be. Personally I think our rendering should be sufficient
> in absence of that consensus. To do more things would require pretty
> significant changes to our web design concept.
>
I think its worth thinking about this from a TLP rather than incubator
perspective. Apache identity is symbolized by the feather and IMO the
projects that best embrace Apache and its branding do one of two things.
They either 1) incorporate the feather in their project logo or 2) they
display the Apache logo prominently at the top on their website. There are
alot of examples of projects that haven't done either of these things and
TBH I don't understand why they seem to "hide" their Apache identity. As
geode's logo doesn't incorporate the logo, then I would love to see Geode
going down the second route. Below are two lists of projects that have gone
this route (the first using the current Apache feather, the second using
older designs).
Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
incorporate the Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with
the aim of replacing it with one of the Apache feather logos when it
graduates to a TLP.
Niall
Projects using latest Feather logos:
http://archiva.apache.org/index.cgi
http://arrow.apache.org/
http://cayenne.apache.org/
http://chemistry.apache.org/
http://jmeter.apache.org/
http://jspwiki.apache.org/
http://olingo.apache.org/
http://oltu.apache.org/
http://oozie.apache.org/
http://openmeetings.apache.org/
http://poi.apache.org/
http://reef.apache.org/
http://serf.apache.org/
http://servicemix.apache.org/
http://sling.apache.org/
http://subversion.apache.org/
http://tomcat.apache.org/
http://zest.apache.org/
Projects using older Feather logos:
http://activemq.apache.org/
http://any23.apache.org/
http://aries.apache.org/
http://bigtop.apache.org/
http://camel.apache.org/
http://cocoon.apache.org/
http://creadur.apache.org/
http://crunch.apache.org/
http://curator.apache.org/
http://cxf.apache.org/
http://empire-db.apache.org/
http://falcon.apache.org/
http://felix.apache.org/
http://flex.apache.org/
http://flume.apache.org/
http://helix.apache.org/
http://james.apache.org/
http://lens.apache.org/
http://logging.apache.org/
http://myfaces.apache.org/
http://openjpa.apache.org/
http://opennlp.apache.org/
http://pivot.apache.org/
http://portals.apache.org/
http://santuario.apache.org/
http://sqoop.apache.org/
http://struts.apache.org/
http://tajo.apache.org/
http://tika.apache.org/
http://uima.apache.org/
http://vcl.apache.org/
http://vxquery.apache.org/
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:41 AM, William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>
wrote:
> We had a similar feedback from Niall during the first rollout of the
> website and then we increased the font-size of the disclaimer and the size
> of the incubator logo.
>
> I'd agree with Dave and we should definitely improve but with a more proper
> specifics to nail it.
The reviewer admits there is not a consensus on what a more specific
guideline should be. Personally I think our rendering should be sufficient
in absence of that consensus. To do more things would require pretty
significant changes to our web design concept.
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by William Markito <wm...@pivotal.io>.
We had a similar feedback from Niall during the first rollout of the
website and then we increased the font-size of the disclaimer and the size
of the incubator logo.
I'd agree with Dave and we should definitely improve but with a more proper
specifics to nail it.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
> That is good feedback for their feedback.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Dave Barnes <db...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> > My first question is what's the goal - is there another ASF site that
> would
> > serve as an example to follow?
> > Our current Apache info is a menu item at the bottom of the page. From
> the
> > report, I gather that the auditor wants to see the logos and disclaimer
> > "above the fold". More prominent logos can be easily done, once we agree
> on
> > where they should be located.
> > Can I safely assume that a [link to the disclaimer] is sufficient?
> > The branding guide (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html)
> > lacks
> > specifics.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Greg Chase <gr...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Geode community,
> > > I see the Apache Geode website got tagged with a minor branding concern
> > in
> > > a recent audit of incubating projects.
> > >
> > > See the wiki entry here:
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016
> > >
> > > See start of the thread in general@incubator.apache.org here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201606.mbox/%3CCAOqetn-c49sfXSMck8hx%3DjGZQEw6paEmbdtMg32meLkHKcTPnQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> > >
> > > Basically the Apache & Apache incubator logos, and the incubator
> > disclaimer
> > > are not prominent enough, but at least they are present.
> > >
> > > Next time we look at a website update, we might see how we can make
> these
> > > more obvious.
> > >
> > > Suggestions are welcome on this thread.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> > >
> >
>
--
~/William
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com>.
That is good feedback for their feedback.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Dave Barnes <db...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> My first question is what's the goal - is there another ASF site that would
> serve as an example to follow?
> Our current Apache info is a menu item at the bottom of the page. From the
> report, I gather that the auditor wants to see the logos and disclaimer
> "above the fold". More prominent logos can be easily done, once we agree on
> where they should be located.
> Can I safely assume that a [link to the disclaimer] is sufficient?
> The branding guide (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html)
> lacks
> specifics.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Greg Chase <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Geode community,
> > I see the Apache Geode website got tagged with a minor branding concern
> in
> > a recent audit of incubating projects.
> >
> > See the wiki entry here:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016
> >
> > See start of the thread in general@incubator.apache.org here:
> >
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201606.mbox/%3CCAOqetn-c49sfXSMck8hx%3DjGZQEw6paEmbdtMg32meLkHKcTPnQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > Basically the Apache & Apache incubator logos, and the incubator
> disclaimer
> > are not prominent enough, but at least they are present.
> >
> > Next time we look at a website update, we might see how we can make these
> > more obvious.
> >
> > Suggestions are welcome on this thread.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
>
Re: Geode website tagged with minor Apache branding issue in audit
Posted by Dave Barnes <db...@pivotal.io>.
My first question is what's the goal - is there another ASF site that would
serve as an example to follow?
Our current Apache info is a menu item at the bottom of the page. From the
report, I gather that the auditor wants to see the logos and disclaimer
"above the fold". More prominent logos can be easily done, once we agree on
where they should be located.
Can I safely assume that a [link to the disclaimer] is sufficient?
The branding guide (http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html) lacks
specifics.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Greg Chase <gr...@apache.org> wrote:
> Dear Geode community,
> I see the Apache Geode website got tagged with a minor branding concern in
> a recent audit of incubating projects.
>
> See the wiki entry here:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016
>
> See start of the thread in general@incubator.apache.org here:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201606.mbox/%3CCAOqetn-c49sfXSMck8hx%3DjGZQEw6paEmbdtMg32meLkHKcTPnQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> Basically the Apache & Apache incubator logos, and the incubator disclaimer
> are not prominent enough, but at least they are present.
>
> Next time we look at a website update, we might see how we can make these
> more obvious.
>
> Suggestions are welcome on this thread.
>
> -Greg
>