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SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Hi users,
I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
I've just gotten David Summers' RPMs working by installing them and
then re-compiling the DB-4.2 with ../dist/configure
--without-posixmutexes. All I did was copy the newly created .so file
over the original in /lib/. Anyone know why this would be a problem
(versus an official make install)? I usually don't install with make so
it probably doesn't matter if the includes and/or static libs are not
correct. I was concerned that the make install might do things that
would get other things screwed up that I wouldn't know what or how to
'undo'.
Anyway, if anyone else is trying to install this on a FC1 system
with <=i586, this does seem to work. I successfully imported a dump from
a SVN0.20 installation and am able to access it via Apache.
Also, does anyone know of a SVN plugin for jEdit?
Chet
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Re: SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Posted by "C. Heilman" <ch...@voicenet.com>.
You did it again, Toshio.
I started from scratch with a fresh install of FC1 on one of my 586
boxes, installed Barry Nathans glibc compiled with NPTL and installed
the David Summers RPMs and SVN 1.0.0 works just fine. I used the 586
compiled versions, but installed the entire set - except for the 386
ones that also had 586 versions.
This seems like a better way of solving the problem, but it really makes
me wonder why Fedora did not compile the glibc with the nptl in the
first place.
Chet
Toshio wrote:
>Well, I've done a lot of googling today and I think I've got some
>answers that can help explain things.
>
>* Fedora's db4 and thus subversion is compiled to use NPTL
>* NPTL is part of linux 2.6 and Redhat patched 2.4
>* NPTL works on i486 and above processors
>* NPTL requires support in glibc
>* glibc compiled for i386 does not support NPTL
>* Redhat/Fedora Core 1 ships glibc for i386 and i686
>
>So for Redhat9/FC1 if you have an i686 or above with the right kind of
>kernel and the i686 glibc you can run subversion out of the box.
>
>If you have an i386 you have to patch your db4 compile to
>--disableposixmutexes.
>
>If you have an i486 to i586 you have a system that could potientially
>have NPTL but doesn't because Redhat didn't supply a glibc RPM for it.
>You can either compile glibc to include NPTL on your system or compile
>db4 to not include NPTL.
>
>Barry Nathan seems to have compiled some glibc packages with NPTL
>support. It looks like the most recent package is from the first update
>(101.1 -- currently at 101.4). If you use them, drop him a note... I
>think he wants to know if they work and are helpful.
>
>http://math.uci.edu/~bnathan/linux/glibc/
>
>-Toshio
>
>On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 12:16, C. Heilman wrote:
>
>
>>Oops! My Pentium box isn't a PII, it's a Pentium MMX - but it IS a 586.
>>PIIs are 686s.
>>So this holds with <=586 CPUs need a DB4 without the nptl.
>>
>>
>>Chet
>>
>>
>>Toshio wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>My AMDK6-233 needs to have the patched db4 in order to run.
>>>
>>>I'm running SVN 0.37 with standard FC1 db4 on a P-II without problems:
>>>
>>>
>>>from /proc/cpuinfo:
>>
>>
>>>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
>>>cpu family : 6
>>>model : 5
>>>model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
>>>stepping : 2
>>>cpu MHz : 266.623
>>>
>>>Do you have the glibc package compiled for i386 or for i686? db4
>>>--enable-posixmutexes requires NPTL in order to function. This in turn
>>>requires kernel-2.6 (or RedHat's patched 2.4) and glibc compiled with
>>>NPTL support. Redhat has enabled this for their i686 build but not
>>>i386.
>>>
>>>-Toshio
>>>
>>>On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:11, C. Heilman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know why. But is seems to be the case. The SVN 0.32, which
>>>>came with FC1 did not work from the start. The db4.1 package below got
>>>>SVN0.32 working. I just more or less did the same thing with db4.2 to
>>>>make SVN 1.0.0 work with David Summers' RPMs.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone else running SVN 1.0.0 / FC1 on a 586 or lower CPU? Is
>>>>anyone running SVN 0.32 / FC1 on one without the patched db4, below?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chet
>>>>
>>>>Bugzilla:
>>>>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91933
>>>>Download link for db4.1 RPMS:
>>>>http://tomi.nomi.cz/download/db4-no-nptl/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>C. Heilman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
>>>>>>because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
>>>>>>problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
>>>>>>again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Florian Weimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is quite strange, because both CPUs implement the P54C opcodes.
>>>>>I'm less sure about the the P55C opcodes (aka MMX), but these shouldn't
>>>>>matter anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not aware of any NPTL variant which doesn't run on your CPUs. Keep
>>>>>in mind that your Pentium II even supports CMOV.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Posted by Toshio <to...@tiki-lounge.com>.
Well, I've done a lot of googling today and I think I've got some
answers that can help explain things.
* Fedora's db4 and thus subversion is compiled to use NPTL
* NPTL is part of linux 2.6 and Redhat patched 2.4
* NPTL works on i486 and above processors
* NPTL requires support in glibc
* glibc compiled for i386 does not support NPTL
* Redhat/Fedora Core 1 ships glibc for i386 and i686
So for Redhat9/FC1 if you have an i686 or above with the right kind of
kernel and the i686 glibc you can run subversion out of the box.
If you have an i386 you have to patch your db4 compile to
--disableposixmutexes.
If you have an i486 to i586 you have a system that could potientially
have NPTL but doesn't because Redhat didn't supply a glibc RPM for it.
You can either compile glibc to include NPTL on your system or compile
db4 to not include NPTL.
Barry Nathan seems to have compiled some glibc packages with NPTL
support. It looks like the most recent package is from the first update
(101.1 -- currently at 101.4). If you use them, drop him a note... I
think he wants to know if they work and are helpful.
http://math.uci.edu/~bnathan/linux/glibc/
-Toshio
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 12:16, C. Heilman wrote:
> Oops! My Pentium box isn't a PII, it's a Pentium MMX - but it IS a 586.
> PIIs are 686s.
> So this holds with <=586 CPUs need a DB4 without the nptl.
>
>
> Chet
>
>
> Toshio wrote:
>
> >My AMDK6-233 needs to have the patched db4 in order to run.
> >
> >I'm running SVN 0.37 with standard FC1 db4 on a P-II without problems:
> >from /proc/cpuinfo:
> >vendor_id : GenuineIntel
> >cpu family : 6
> >model : 5
> >model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
> >stepping : 2
> >cpu MHz : 266.623
> >
> >Do you have the glibc package compiled for i386 or for i686? db4
> >--enable-posixmutexes requires NPTL in order to function. This in turn
> >requires kernel-2.6 (or RedHat's patched 2.4) and glibc compiled with
> >NPTL support. Redhat has enabled this for their i686 build but not
> >i386.
> >
> >-Toshio
> >
> >On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:11, C. Heilman wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I don't know why. But is seems to be the case. The SVN 0.32, which
> >>came with FC1 did not work from the start. The db4.1 package below got
> >>SVN0.32 working. I just more or less did the same thing with db4.2 to
> >>make SVN 1.0.0 work with David Summers' RPMs.
> >>
> >> Is anyone else running SVN 1.0.0 / FC1 on a 586 or lower CPU? Is
> >>anyone running SVN 0.32 / FC1 on one without the patched db4, below?
> >>
> >>
> >>Chet
> >>
> >>Bugzilla:
> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91933
> >>Download link for db4.1 RPMS:
> >>http://tomi.nomi.cz/download/db4-no-nptl/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>C. Heilman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
> >>>>because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
> >>>>problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
> >>>>again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Florian Weimer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>This is quite strange, because both CPUs implement the P54C opcodes.
> >>>I'm less sure about the the P55C opcodes (aka MMX), but these shouldn't
> >>>matter anyway.
> >>>
> >>>I'm not aware of any NPTL variant which doesn't run on your CPUs. Keep
> >>>in mind that your Pentium II even supports CMOV.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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Re: SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Posted by "C. Heilman" <ch...@voicenet.com>.
Oops! My Pentium box isn't a PII, it's a Pentium MMX - but it IS a 586.
PIIs are 686s.
So this holds with <=586 CPUs need a DB4 without the nptl.
Chet
Toshio wrote:
>My AMDK6-233 needs to have the patched db4 in order to run.
>
>I'm running SVN 0.37 with standard FC1 db4 on a P-II without problems:
>from /proc/cpuinfo:
>vendor_id : GenuineIntel
>cpu family : 6
>model : 5
>model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
>stepping : 2
>cpu MHz : 266.623
>
>Do you have the glibc package compiled for i386 or for i686? db4
>--enable-posixmutexes requires NPTL in order to function. This in turn
>requires kernel-2.6 (or RedHat's patched 2.4) and glibc compiled with
>NPTL support. Redhat has enabled this for their i686 build but not
>i386.
>
>-Toshio
>
>On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:11, C. Heilman wrote:
>
>
>> I don't know why. But is seems to be the case. The SVN 0.32, which
>>came with FC1 did not work from the start. The db4.1 package below got
>>SVN0.32 working. I just more or less did the same thing with db4.2 to
>>make SVN 1.0.0 work with David Summers' RPMs.
>>
>> Is anyone else running SVN 1.0.0 / FC1 on a 586 or lower CPU? Is
>>anyone running SVN 0.32 / FC1 on one without the patched db4, below?
>>
>>
>>Chet
>>
>>Bugzilla:
>>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91933
>>Download link for db4.1 RPMS:
>>http://tomi.nomi.cz/download/db4-no-nptl/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>C. Heilman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
>>>>because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
>>>>problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
>>>>again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Florian Weimer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is quite strange, because both CPUs implement the P54C opcodes.
>>>I'm less sure about the the P55C opcodes (aka MMX), but these shouldn't
>>>matter anyway.
>>>
>>>I'm not aware of any NPTL variant which doesn't run on your CPUs. Keep
>>>in mind that your Pentium II even supports CMOV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Posted by Toshio <to...@tiki-lounge.com>.
My AMDK6-233 needs to have the patched db4 in order to run.
I'm running SVN 0.37 with standard FC1 db4 on a P-II without problems:
from /proc/cpuinfo:
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 5
model name : Pentium II (Deschutes)
stepping : 2
cpu MHz : 266.623
Do you have the glibc package compiled for i386 or for i686? db4
--enable-posixmutexes requires NPTL in order to function. This in turn
requires kernel-2.6 (or RedHat's patched 2.4) and glibc compiled with
NPTL support. Redhat has enabled this for their i686 build but not
i386.
-Toshio
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:11, C. Heilman wrote:
> I don't know why. But is seems to be the case. The SVN 0.32, which
> came with FC1 did not work from the start. The db4.1 package below got
> SVN0.32 working. I just more or less did the same thing with db4.2 to
> make SVN 1.0.0 work with David Summers' RPMs.
>
> Is anyone else running SVN 1.0.0 / FC1 on a 586 or lower CPU? Is
> anyone running SVN 0.32 / FC1 on one without the patched db4, below?
>
>
> Chet
>
> Bugzilla:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91933
> Download link for db4.1 RPMS:
> http://tomi.nomi.cz/download/db4-no-nptl/
>
>
>
> > C. Heilman wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
> > > because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
> > > problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
> > > again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
> > >
> > Florian Weimer wrote:
> >
>
> > This is quite strange, because both CPUs implement the P54C opcodes.
> > I'm less sure about the the P55C opcodes (aka MMX), but these shouldn't
> > matter anyway.
> >
> > I'm not aware of any NPTL variant which doesn't run on your CPUs. Keep
> > in mind that your Pentium II even supports CMOV.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Posted by "C. Heilman" <ch...@voicenet.com>.
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I don't know why. But is seems to be the case. The SVN 0.32, which came
with FC1 did not work from the start. The db4.1 package below got SVN0.32
working. I just more or less did the same thing with db4.2 to make SVN 1.0.0
work with David Summers' RPMs. <br>
<br>
Is anyone else running SVN 1.0.0 / FC1 on a 586 or lower CPU? Is anyone
running SVN 0.32 / FC1 on one without the patched db4, below?<br>
<br>
<br>
Chet<br>
<br>
<pre wrap="">Bugzilla:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91933">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=91933</a>
Download link for db4.1 RPMS:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://tomi.nomi.cz/download/db4-no-nptl/">http://tomi.nomi.cz/download/db4-no-nptl/</a>
</pre>
<br>
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid20040306130122.GA12161@deneb.enyo.de">
<pre wrap="">C. Heilman wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Florian Weimer wrote:
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid20040306130122.GA12161@deneb.enyo.de">
<pre wrap="">This is quite strange, because both CPUs implement the P54C opcodes.
I'm less sure about the the P55C opcodes (aka MMX), but these shouldn't
matter anyway.
I'm not aware of any NPTL variant which doesn't run on your CPUs. Keep
in mind that your Pentium II even supports CMOV.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</body>
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Re: SVN 1.0.0 with FC1 on <=586 CPU
Posted by Florian Weimer <fw...@deneb.enyo.de>.
C. Heilman wrote:
> I've had a lot of problems with SVN and FC1, in general, mostly
> because of my old hardware (AMDK2-400 and PII-200). Apparently there are
> problems with the NPTL on these CPUs - at least in Fedora. (Thanks
> again, Toshio, for pointing me in the right direction.)
This is quite strange, because both CPUs implement the P54C opcodes.
I'm less sure about the the P55C opcodes (aka MMX), but these shouldn't
matter anyway.
I'm not aware of any NPTL variant which doesn't run on your CPUs. Keep
in mind that your Pentium II even supports CMOV.
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