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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net> on 2012/11/01 01:16:07 UTC
Re: [OT - headers] Re: question
On 10/30/2012 06:04 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> On 10/30/2012 3:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> johnny smith wrote:
>>>> Andrea, I see that you are using Thunderbird. What filters are you
>>>> using to sort out non-subcribers/moderated?
>>> non-subscribers/moderated have the string "Delivered-To: moderator
>>> for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" among headers
>
> For some other tips on setting up Thunderbird filtering, please see:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/katmtejfsx5xomvo
>
>> Exactly. Unfortunately it seems that Thunderbird filters often ignore it
>> because they get confused by another "Delivered-To" header, so good
>> sense (you can often guess that someone is new), CTRL-U (to check the
>> source for this header) and "Reply All" (in doubt, just do it) help too.
>
> Hagar Delest pointed out this unfortunate Thunderbird bug that still
> seems to be open, which means multiple header types might not be
> filtered correctly:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678322
Yes. Been there done that (see my comments on that bug and also on 16913).
The _nonstandard_ 'Delivered-To' is used for loop-detection:
<http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/mail-headers/mail-headers.html>
<http://www.ninebynine.org/IETF/Messaging/HdrRegistry/draft-klyne-hdrreg-prov-mail-00.html#hdr.Delivered-To>
and is not defined by any RFC. As such, 'Delivered-To', shouldn't be
used twice to begin with. Does the Apache listserv _really_ need two
'Delivered-To' headers for loop detection?
The easiest & best solution IMO would be to add it as an X header
(example: X-Delivered-To: moderator). That way it is a distinct header
that any mail or nntp client that is capable of filtering on headers can
use.
Certainly with all of the experience Apache has with mail lists, it
shouldn't be too difficult to make the modification... right?
...
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Re: [OT - headers] Re: question
Posted by NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 11/02/2012 11:34 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 01/11/2012 NoOp wrote:
>> The _nonstandard_ 'Delivered-To' is used for loop-detection: ...
>> and is not defined by any RFC.
>
> Interesting to know, thanks.
>
>> The easiest& best solution IMO would be to add it as an X header
>> (example: X-Delivered-To: moderator). ...
>> Certainly with all of the experience Apache has with mail lists, it
>> shouldn't be too difficult to make the modification... right?
>
> As you have probably discovered by now, talking to Infra isn't always
> easy, especially because with 150 projects they are quite reluctant to
> apply project-specific configuration.
>
> But once the mailing list migration from the Incubator is completed (and
> the overall migration progress so far is good, as you see on
> http://s.apache.org/openoffice-graduation-changes ) we will try to see
> how to improve this. I was thinking of (a combination of) an
> "X-Apache-moderated: yes" header (similar to your proposal), adding a
> "[moderated]" tag at the end of the subject, setting Reply-To to
> list+sender instead of list only. But we will reopen this discussion
> again once the ooo-users list has been moved out of the Incubator
> namespace, which should happen within a few days, depending on Infra.
Thanks Andrea. This has been a thorn in the rear for the mail list(s)
for quite some time (years), so I sincerely hope that Apache can
eventually get this sorted out.
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Re: [OT - headers] Re: question
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 01/11/2012 NoOp wrote:
> The _nonstandard_ 'Delivered-To' is used for loop-detection: ...
> and is not defined by any RFC.
Interesting to know, thanks.
> The easiest& best solution IMO would be to add it as an X header
> (example: X-Delivered-To: moderator). ...
> Certainly with all of the experience Apache has with mail lists, it
> shouldn't be too difficult to make the modification... right?
As you have probably discovered by now, talking to Infra isn't always
easy, especially because with 150 projects they are quite reluctant to
apply project-specific configuration.
But once the mailing list migration from the Incubator is completed (and
the overall migration progress so far is good, as you see on
http://s.apache.org/openoffice-graduation-changes ) we will try to see
how to improve this. I was thinking of (a combination of) an
"X-Apache-moderated: yes" header (similar to your proposal), adding a
"[moderated]" tag at the end of the subject, setting Reply-To to
list+sender instead of list only. But we will reopen this discussion
again once the ooo-users list has been moved out of the Incubator
namespace, which should happen within a few days, depending on Infra.
Regards,
Andrea.
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