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Posted to dev@activemq.apache.org by Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> on 2013/03/28 16:56:56 UTC
[DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts and libs
depending on the platform:
[janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that produces a zip
and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this already:
CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on all
platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
Opened a ticket here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414 and
also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2
One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line endings on
shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can live
with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors than
notepad :-)
--
Cheers,
Jon
---------------
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Email: janstey@redhat.com
Web: http://redhat.com
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Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>.
Sounds fair enough. I wanted consensus before committing this and there
have been two -1's already so I'll close the issue as won't fix.
Cheers,
Jon
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>wrote:
> so then -1
>
> Ok so if we go with the 1 zip solution then Windows user cant use Notepad
> to edit config files and Unix users will need to chmod a+x their bin
> scripts. Sound like loss of ease of use to both types of users.
>
> We already went through the trouble of setting up the 2 distros to give the
> end user a better experience. I'd rather not dumb it down at the expense
> of the end user experience.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nothing really wrong with having 2 different distros. It's just simpler
> IMO
> > to have one set of files to manage and get right, rather than testing 2
> > different sets of files.
> >
> > Full disclosure: I'm making this change as part of JBoss Fuse
> > http://fusesource.com/issues/browse/ENTMQ-262 so its not really a
> > requirement here at Apache. Just would make my life easier :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different
> > > distros.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
> > > > difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to
> > > make
> > > > this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference
> > > either
> > > > way?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jon,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons.
> I
> > > like
> > > > > having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
> > > > > distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux,
> > plus
> > > > the
> > > > > MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows
> > and
> > > > > MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being
> > > > recommended.
> > > > > It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
> > > > > introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my
> > > > company
> > > > > that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change
> would
> > > not
> > > > > really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files
> (and
> > > add
> > > > in
> > > > > some more) that we want to install.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in
> those
> > > > > > production situations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your
> > > > favorite
> > > > > > dev
> > > > > > > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using
> > Notepad
> > > > to
> > > > > > edit
> > > > > > > config files.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > > > > > > <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <
> > > > tabish121@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using
> notepad
> > > will
> > > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different
> > > scripts
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > libs
> > > > > > > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r
> apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > > > > > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script
> that
> > > > > > produces
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >> zip
> > > > > > > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects
> do
> > > this
> > > > > > > > already:
> > > > > > > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same
> kit
> > > on
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Opened a ticket here
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > > > > > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they
> want.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows
> line
> > > > > endings
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I
> think
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > > > live
> > > > > > > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text
> > > editors
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > > >> notepad :-)
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Tim Bish
> > > > > > > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > > > > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > > > > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > > > > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > *Christian Posta*
> > > > > > > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > > > > > > twitter: @christianposta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > ---------------
> > > > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > > > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > > > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > > > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > > > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jon
> > > > ---------------
> > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > *Hiram Chirino*
> > >
> > > *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
> > >
> > > *hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com |
> redhat.com
> > *
> > >
> > > *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
> > > http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
> > > *
> > >
> > > *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> > ---------------
> > Red Hat, Inc.
> > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > Web: http://redhat.com
> > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> **
>
> *Hiram Chirino*
>
> *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
>
> *hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com*
>
> *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
> http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
> *
>
> *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
>
--
Cheers,
Jon
---------------
Red Hat, Inc.
Email: janstey@redhat.com
Web: http://redhat.com
Twitter: jon_anstey
Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>.
so then -1
Ok so if we go with the 1 zip solution then Windows user cant use Notepad
to edit config files and Unix users will need to chmod a+x their bin
scripts. Sound like loss of ease of use to both types of users.
We already went through the trouble of setting up the 2 distros to give the
end user a better experience. I'd rather not dumb it down at the expense
of the end user experience.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing really wrong with having 2 different distros. It's just simpler IMO
> to have one set of files to manage and get right, rather than testing 2
> different sets of files.
>
> Full disclosure: I'm making this change as part of JBoss Fuse
> http://fusesource.com/issues/browse/ENTMQ-262 so its not really a
> requirement here at Apache. Just would make my life easier :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hiram Chirino <hiram@hiramchirino.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different
> > distros.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
> > > difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to
> > make
> > > this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference
> > either
> > > way?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Jon,
> > > >
> > > > That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
> > > >
> > > > However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I
> > like
> > > > having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
> > > > distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux,
> plus
> > > the
> > > > MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows
> and
> > > > MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being
> > > recommended.
> > > > It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
> > > > introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
> > > >
> > > > Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my
> > > company
> > > > that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would
> > not
> > > > really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and
> > add
> > > in
> > > > some more) that we want to install.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > >
> > > > > Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
> > > > > production situations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your
> > > favorite
> > > > > dev
> > > > > > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using
> Notepad
> > > to
> > > > > edit
> > > > > > config files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -1
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > > > > > <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <
> > > tabish121@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad
> > will
> > > > > > likely
> > > > > > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different
> > scripts
> > > > and
> > > > > > libs
> > > > > > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > > > > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that
> > > > > produces
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >> zip
> > > > > > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do
> > this
> > > > > > > already:
> > > > > > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit
> > on
> > > > all
> > > > > > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Opened a ticket here
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > > > > > <
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > > > > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line
> > > > endings
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think
> we
> > > can
> > > > > > live
> > > > > > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text
> > editors
> > > > than
> > > > > > > >> notepad :-)
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Tim Bish
> > > > > > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > > > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > > > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > > > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > *Christian Posta*
> > > > > > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > > > > > twitter: @christianposta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Jon
> > > > > ---------------
> > > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jon
> > > ---------------
> > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > **
> >
> > *Hiram Chirino*
> >
> > *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
> >
> > *hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com
> *
> >
> > *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
> > http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
> > *
> >
> > *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> ---------------
> Red Hat, Inc.
> Email: janstey@redhat.com
> Web: http://redhat.com
> Twitter: jon_anstey
> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
>
--
**
*Hiram Chirino*
*Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
*hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com*
*skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
*
*blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Torsten Mielke <tm...@redhat.com>.
+1
On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> Nothing really wrong with having 2 different distros. It's just simpler IMO
> to have one set of files to manage and get right, rather than testing 2
> different sets of files.
>
> Full disclosure: I'm making this change as part of JBoss Fuse
> http://fusesource.com/issues/browse/ENTMQ-262 so its not really a
> requirement here at Apache. Just would make my life easier :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>wrote:
>
>> I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different
>> distros.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
>>> difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to
>> make
>>> this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference
>> either
>>> way?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
>>>>
>>>> However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I
>> like
>>>> having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
>>>> distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, plus
>>> the
>>>> MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows and
>>>> MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being
>>> recommended.
>>>> It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
>>>> introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
>>>>
>>>> Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my
>>> company
>>>> that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would
>> not
>>>> really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and
>> add
>>> in
>>>> some more) that we want to install.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
>>>>> production situations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your
>>> favorite
>>>>> dev
>>>>>> tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad
>>> to
>>>>> edit
>>>>>> config files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <
>>> tabish121@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad
>> will
>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>> enjoy the added pain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different
>> scripts
>>>> and
>>>>>> libs
>>>>>>>>> depending on the platform:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
>>>>>>>>> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
>>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that
>>>>> produces
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> zip
>>>>>>>>> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do
>> this
>>>>>>> already:
>>>>>>>>> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit
>> on
>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Opened a ticket here
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
>>>>>>>>> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line
>>>> endings
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we
>>> can
>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text
>> editors
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> notepad :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tim Bish
>>>>>>>> Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
>>>>>>>> tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>> skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
>>>>>>>> blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Christian Posta*
>>>>>>> http://www.christianposta.com/blog
>>>>>>> twitter: @christianposta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>> ---------------
>>>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>>>> Email: janstey@redhat.com
>>>>> Web: http://redhat.com
>>>>> Twitter: jon_anstey
>>>>> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jon
>>> ---------------
>>> Red Hat, Inc.
>>> Email: janstey@redhat.com
>>> Web: http://redhat.com
>>> Twitter: jon_anstey
>>> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Hiram Chirino*
>>
>> *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
>>
>> *hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com*
>>
>> *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
>> http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
>> *
>>
>> *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> ---------------
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> Web: http://redhat.com
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Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>.
Nothing really wrong with having 2 different distros. It's just simpler IMO
to have one set of files to manage and get right, rather than testing 2
different sets of files.
Full disclosure: I'm making this change as part of JBoss Fuse
http://fusesource.com/issues/browse/ENTMQ-262 so its not really a
requirement here at Apache. Just would make my life easier :-)
Cheers,
Jon
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>wrote:
> I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different
> distros.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
> > difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to
> make
> > this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference
> either
> > way?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jon,
> > >
> > > That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
> > >
> > > However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I
> like
> > > having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
> > > distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, plus
> > the
> > > MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows and
> > > MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being
> > recommended.
> > > It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
> > > introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
> > >
> > > Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my
> > company
> > > that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would
> not
> > > really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and
> add
> > in
> > > some more) that we want to install.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > >
> > > > Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
> > > > production situations.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your
> > favorite
> > > > dev
> > > > > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad
> > to
> > > > edit
> > > > > config files.
> > > > >
> > > > > -1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > > > > <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <
> > tabish121@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad
> will
> > > > > likely
> > > > > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different
> scripts
> > > and
> > > > > libs
> > > > > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > > > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that
> > > > produces
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >> zip
> > > > > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do
> this
> > > > > > already:
> > > > > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit
> on
> > > all
> > > > > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Opened a ticket here
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > > > > <
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > > > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line
> > > endings
> > > > > on
> > > > > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we
> > can
> > > > > live
> > > > > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text
> editors
> > > than
> > > > > > >> notepad :-)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Tim Bish
> > > > > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > *Christian Posta*
> > > > > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > > > > twitter: @christianposta
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Jon
> > > > ---------------
> > > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> > ---------------
> > Red Hat, Inc.
> > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > Web: http://redhat.com
> > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> **
>
> *Hiram Chirino*
>
> *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
>
> *hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com*
>
> *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino<
> http://twitter.com/hiramchirino>
> *
>
> *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>*
>
--
Cheers,
Jon
---------------
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Web: http://redhat.com
Twitter: jon_anstey
Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
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Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>.
I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different
distros.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
> difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to make
> this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference either
> way?
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jon,
> >
> > That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
> >
> > However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I like
> > having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
> > distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, plus
> the
> > MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows and
> > MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being
> recommended.
> > It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
> > introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
> >
> > Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my
> company
> > that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would not
> > really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and add
> in
> > some more) that we want to install.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
> > > production situations.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your
> favorite
> > > dev
> > > > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad
> to
> > > edit
> > > > config files.
> > > >
> > > > -1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > > > <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <
> tabish121@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will
> > > > likely
> > > > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts
> > and
> > > > libs
> > > > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that
> > > produces
> > > > a
> > > > > >> zip
> > > > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this
> > > > > already:
> > > > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on
> > all
> > > > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Opened a ticket here
> > > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > > > <
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line
> > endings
> > > > on
> > > > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we
> can
> > > > live
> > > > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors
> > than
> > > > > >> notepad :-)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Tim Bish
> > > > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > *Christian Posta*
> > > > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > > > twitter: @christianposta
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jon
> > > ---------------
> > > Red Hat, Inc.
> > > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > > Web: http://redhat.com
> > > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> ---------------
> Red Hat, Inc.
> Email: janstey@redhat.com
> Web: http://redhat.com
> Twitter: jon_anstey
> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
>
--
**
*Hiram Chirino*
*Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.*
*hchirino@redhat.com <hc...@redhat.com> | fusesource.com | redhat.com*
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*
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Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jim,
Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small
difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to make
this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference either
way?
Cheers,
Jon
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
>
> That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
>
> However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I like
> having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
> distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, plus the
> MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows and
> MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being recommended.
> It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
> introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
>
> Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my company
> that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would not
> really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and add in
> some more) that we want to install.
>
> Best,
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
> > production situations.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your favorite
> > dev
> > > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad to
> > edit
> > > config files.
> > >
> > > -1
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > > <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <ta...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will
> > > likely
> > > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts
> and
> > > libs
> > > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that
> > produces
> > > a
> > > > >> zip
> > > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this
> > > > already:
> > > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on
> all
> > > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Opened a ticket here
> > https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > > <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line
> endings
> > > on
> > > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can
> > > live
> > > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors
> than
> > > > >> notepad :-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Tim Bish
> > > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *Christian Posta*
> > > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > > twitter: @christianposta
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Jon
> > ---------------
> > Red Hat, Inc.
> > Email: janstey@redhat.com
> > Web: http://redhat.com
> > Twitter: jon_anstey
> > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
> >
>
--
Cheers,
Jon
---------------
Red Hat, Inc.
Email: janstey@redhat.com
Web: http://redhat.com
Twitter: jon_anstey
Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>.
Hi Jon,
That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option.
However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I like
having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows
distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, plus the
MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows and
MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being recommended.
It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's
introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it.
Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my company
that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would not
really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and add in
some more) that we want to install.
Best,
Jim
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
> production situations.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your favorite
> dev
> > tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad to
> edit
> > config files.
> >
> > -1
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> > <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <ta...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will
> > likely
> > > > enjoy the added pain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts and
> > libs
> > > >> depending on the platform:
> > > >>
> > > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that
> produces
> > a
> > > >> zip
> > > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this
> > > already:
> > > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on all
> > > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > > >>
> > > >> Opened a ticket here
> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> > <
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > > >>
> > > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line endings
> > on
> > > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can
> > live
> > > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors than
> > > >> notepad :-)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tim Bish
> > > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Christian Posta*
> > > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > > twitter: @christianposta
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> ---------------
> Red Hat, Inc.
> Email: janstey@redhat.com
> Web: http://redhat.com
> Twitter: jon_anstey
> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Jon Anstey <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jim,
Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those
production situations.
Cheers,
Jon
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your favorite dev
> tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad to edit
> config files.
>
> -1
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
> <ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <ta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will
> likely
> > > enjoy the added pain.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> > >
> > >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts and
> libs
> > >> depending on the platform:
> > >>
> > >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> > >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> > >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> > >>
> > >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that produces
> a
> > >> zip
> > >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this
> > already:
> > >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on all
> > >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> > >>
> > >> Opened a ticket here https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414
> <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> > >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> > >>
> > >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> > https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> > >>
> > >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line endings
> on
> > >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can
> live
> > >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors than
> > >> notepad :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tim Bish
> > > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Christian Posta*
> > http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> > twitter: @christianposta
> >
>
--
Cheers,
Jon
---------------
Red Hat, Inc.
Email: janstey@redhat.com
Web: http://redhat.com
Twitter: jon_anstey
Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com
Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>.
The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your favorite dev
tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad to edit
config files.
-1
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta
<ch...@gmail.com>wrote:
> +1
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will likely
> > enjoy the added pain.
> >
> >
> > On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> >
> >> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts and libs
> >> depending on the platform:
> >>
> >> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> >> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> >> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
> >>
> >> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that produces a
> >> zip
> >> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this
> already:
> >> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on all
> >> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
> >>
> >> Opened a ticket here https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414<
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
> >> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<
> https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
> >>
> >> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line endings on
> >> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can live
> >> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors than
> >> notepad :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tim Bish
> > Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> > tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> > skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> > blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> *Christian Posta*
> http://www.christianposta.com/blog
> twitter: @christianposta
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Christian Posta <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will likely
> enjoy the added pain.
>
>
> On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
>
>> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts and libs
>> depending on the platform:
>>
>> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
>> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
>>
>> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that produces a
>> zip
>> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this already:
>> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on all
>> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
>>
>> Opened a ticket here https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and
>> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2<https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2>
>>
>> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line endings on
>> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can live
>> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors than
>> notepad :-)
>>
>>
>
> --
> Tim Bish
> Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
> tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
> skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
> blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/
>
>
--
*Christian Posta*
http://www.christianposta.com/blog
twitter: @christianposta
Re: [DISCUSS] Combine windows and unix distros
Posted by Timothy Bish <ta...@gmail.com>.
+1
Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad will likely
enjoy the added pain.
On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote:
> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different scripts and libs
> depending on the platform:
>
> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip
> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32
> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64
>
> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that produces a zip
> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do this already:
> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit on all
> platforms, which makes things simpler I think.
>
> Opened a ticket here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414 and
> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want.
>
> https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2
>
> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line endings on
> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we can live
> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text editors than
> notepad :-)
>
--
Tim Bish
Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc.
tim.bish@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com
skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121
blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/