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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com> on 2006/05/24 15:40:03 UTC
Please reconfigure GMane
Hi,
Please reconfigure the GMane account to handle correctly the cayenne mailing lists again.
After the move the Apache, this is no more working in 2 directions as before (only in one
direction: from apache to gmane).
Posting from Gmane now returns an error brom the objectstyle mailing server.
Thanks in advance,
Ahmed.
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Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Just got an email from Gmane - they processed my request and switched
both lists. Looks like indeed their operation is based on human
intelligence, and doesn't involve requester authentication step.
Andrus
On May 25, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> I don't understand the notion that we have anything to do with
> Gmane. Also I have no idea how they tell "list administrators" from
> non-administrators (I guess they just manually check whether a
> change request makes sense), but from that little form there, you
> and me have the same permissions as far as Gmane concerned.
>
> Still I see no point in discussing this further, so I filled in the
> forms for both lists and sent it to them.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On May 25, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
>
>>> Huh?
>> Why Huh?
>>
>>> http://gmane.org/add.php
>>> http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
>> Adding or subscribing by no means, since Cayenne is on Gmane since
>> years.
>> Doing that again, would be a misuse of their service. (just look
>> at the statistics to see since
>> when is caynne active there).
>>
>> The correct place where one should change these values would be:
>> "http://gmane.org/info.php?
>> group=gmane.comp.java.cayenne.devel&edit=t"
>> and
>> "http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.java.cayenne.user&edit=t"
>>
>> (So from the Cayenne detail pages:
>> "http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.cayenne.devel" and
>> "http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.cayenne.user"
>> using the "edit" link)
>>
>> But as I said, as anonymous (or as not the owner of those lists) I
>> can't change the relevant
>> information i.e. the list email address :(.
>>
>> Ahmed.
>>
>>
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Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> Just got an email from Gmane - they processed my request and switched
> both lists. Looks like indeed their operation is based on human
> intelligence, and doesn't involve requester authentication step.
That's very interesting, considering that they host more than 8000 lists :).
Thank you,
Ahmed.
Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
I don't understand the notion that we have anything to do with Gmane.
Also I have no idea how they tell "list administrators" from non-
administrators (I guess they just manually check whether a change
request makes sense), but from that little form there, you and me
have the same permissions as far as Gmane concerned.
Still I see no point in discussing this further, so I filled in the
forms for both lists and sent it to them.
Andrus
On May 25, 2006, at 7:42 AM, Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
>> Huh?
> Why Huh?
>
>> http://gmane.org/add.php
>> http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
> Adding or subscribing by no means, since Cayenne is on Gmane since
> years.
> Doing that again, would be a misuse of their service. (just look at
> the statistics to see since
> when is caynne active there).
>
> The correct place where one should change these values would be:
> "http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.java.cayenne.devel&edit=t"
> and
> "http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.java.cayenne.user&edit=t"
>
> (So from the Cayenne detail pages:
> "http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.cayenne.devel" and
> "http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.cayenne.user"
> using the "edit" link)
>
> But as I said, as anonymous (or as not the owner of those lists) I
> can't change the relevant
> information i.e. the list email address :(.
>
> Ahmed.
>
>
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> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> Huh?
Why Huh?
> http://gmane.org/add.php
> http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
Adding or subscribing by no means, since Cayenne is on Gmane since years.
Doing that again, would be a misuse of their service. (just look at the statistics to see since
when is caynne active there).
The correct place where one should change these values would be:
"http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.java.cayenne.devel&edit=t"
and
"http://gmane.org/info.php?group=gmane.comp.java.cayenne.user&edit=t"
(So from the Cayenne detail pages:
"http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.cayenne.devel" and
"http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.cayenne.user"
using the "edit" link)
But as I said, as anonymous (or as not the owner of those lists) I can't change the relevant
information i.e. the list email address :(.
Ahmed.
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Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Huh?
http://gmane.org/add.php
http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
On May 24, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
>>> Please reconfigure the GMane account to handle correctly the
>>> cayenne mailing lists again.
>>> After the move the Apache, this is no more working in 2 directions
>>> as before (only in one
>>> direction: from apache to gmane).
>>>
>>> Posting from Gmane now returns an error brom the objectstyle
>>> mailing server.
>> AFAIK anyone can step in and do that - no special permissions are
>> required. You can spend a few minutes and contact Gmane to remove the
>> old lists and add the new ones.
> AFAIK I can't do that for the user list:
> - I tried, but the "address" (aka list email) field is not
> editable, only the rest of the
> information (but that information is not responsible for the
> processing of the emails)
> - for the DEV list, only the "alias" field was editable, and I did
> it, but so far received no
> feedback from Gmane (maybe because I'm not the list owner/admin).
> Also the "address" field was not
> editable, so I suppose the "alias" won't do too much.
>
> AFAIK for all the projects, for smooth and simple work at gmane,
> the admin/owner of the list is
> required to do (reuqest) the things, cause otherwise, spammers
> could reroute the lists.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ahmed.
>
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Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> > Please reconfigure the GMane account to handle correctly the
> > cayenne mailing lists again.
> > After the move the Apache, this is no more working in 2 directions
> > as before (only in one
> > direction: from apache to gmane).
> >
> > Posting from Gmane now returns an error brom the objectstyle
> > mailing server.
> AFAIK anyone can step in and do that - no special permissions are
> required. You can spend a few minutes and contact Gmane to remove the
> old lists and add the new ones.
AFAIK I can't do that for the user list:
- I tried, but the "address" (aka list email) field is not editable, only the rest of the
information (but that information is not responsible for the processing of the emails)
- for the DEV list, only the "alias" field was editable, and I did it, but so far received no
feedback from Gmane (maybe because I'm not the list owner/admin). Also the "address" field was not
editable, so I suppose the "alias" won't do too much.
AFAIK for all the projects, for smooth and simple work at gmane, the admin/owner of the list is
required to do (reuqest) the things, cause otherwise, spammers could reroute the lists.
Thanks in advance,
Ahmed.
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Re: Please reconfigure GMane
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On May 24, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please reconfigure the GMane account to handle correctly the
> cayenne mailing lists again.
> After the move the Apache, this is no more working in 2 directions
> as before (only in one
> direction: from apache to gmane).
>
> Posting from Gmane now returns an error brom the objectstyle
> mailing server.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ahmed.
AFAIK anyone can step in and do that - no special permissions are
required. You can spend a few minutes and contact Gmane to remove the
old lists and add the new ones.
Andrus